The WDYDT Fitness, Exercise, Diet Thread
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Moderation...as bobman suggests is the key. Your body WILL tell you when you're going too far
Exactly, thats true for every part of being healthy. But to say don't run at all because it could cause knee problems is just ridiculous. If you eat too much, you'll get fat and risk other health issues. If you lift too much, your muscles won't be able to rebuild themselves. Trying to find a good balance between the three I think is key.
Like I said before, I try to not run (or other cardio workouts) more than an hourish a week, and it seems to be working.. My lifting is still increasing and I feel better overall because I'm in beter cardio shape.
In the end, maybe running is not for you. But if you do the elliptical or something else and you aren't sweating, then you're not getting a good cardio workout sorry.AVR: H/K AVR240
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In any case, for you guys and gals that are past your mid-40s and more. Listen to your body and stretch well, rest well, sleep well, eat well and you'll be OK.
Well, relatively. You're still gonna die someday.
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No, and no. Whether you like it or not, some training protocols are actually much better than others, and some may in fact do more harm than good. Even competitive runners do special training that does not include running so as to minimize distance-related bone damage. Running in so many cases is just a bad idea, in particular if you have had knee surgery (this includes lots of people who've been very active their whole life). Alternatively, if you are fat and out of shape with little to no history of sporting activity, running is also a bad idea. Both these facts are pointed out in the article. Moreover, people through their own ignorance can cripple themselves by attempting to train through injury. Some people run because they don't know much, or how to get a proper workout that includes core/strength conditioning. There was a recent post that detailed a really nice protocol that integrated running with strength training.bobman1235 wrote: »The same could be said for ANY EXERCISE KNOWN TO MAN. An exercise is only as good as the person doing it, and only useful if a person does it. Which for MOST people means something they enjoy. So if someone enjoys running, and that's how they'd prefer to get in shape, more power to them. Just cuz you guys have fragile bones of paper doesn't mean everyone does.
It is critical to STOP RUNNING when you feel something is wrong. -
Nobody is saying don't run at all. What is being suggested is to limit running and never run through pain. Regarding cardio, there is a whole realm of brutal cardio protocols (HIIT including tabatas and circuits) that do not involve running or elliptical and will dramatically improve your VO2 max and overall fitness level.Exactly, thats true for every part of being healthy. But to say don't run at all because it could cause knee problems is just ridiculous. If you eat too much, you'll get fat and risk other health issues. If you lift too much, your muscles won't be able to rebuild themselves. Trying to find a good balance between the three I think is key.
Like I said before, I try to not run (or other cardio workouts) more than an hourish a week, and it seems to be working.. My lifting is still increasing and I feel better overall because I'm in beter cardio shape.
In the end, maybe running is not for you. But if you do the elliptical or something else and you aren't sweating, then you're not getting a good cardio workout sorry. -
No, and no. Whether you like it or not, some training protocols are actually much better than others, and some may in fact do more harm than good.....
It is critical to STOP RUNNING when you feel something is wrong.
Strong Bad earlier said the following :Unless you're in the military or you have a specific need to be conditioned to run long distances, then I wouldn't recommend running/jogging to anyone. It's very hard on the feet, ankle, knees, legs, hips and low back. Exercise is to make the body healthy and strong!
My post was in response to the idea that running is always a bad idea. It is not. I do not argue that it requires a bit of preparation. I also don't see how any person with a brain would argue with the idea that one should continue doing an exercise through pain. But blanket statements like "no one should run unless they have to" are stupid. I've heard the same argument applied to free weights, and they're equally stupid. The same logic applies to free weights as running : don't do beyond what your body is ready for. Period.If you will it, dude, it is no dream. -
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Gonna celebrate by resting and not doing anything today (suppose to be doing Plyometrics).
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Yesterday's workout
Warmup:
Run 100m
10 pushups
10 airsquats
10 ring-ups
Do 3 times
WOD (workout of the day)
20min AMRAP (as many reps as possible)
3 OH squats (65lbs) - I'm not flexible enough for these, so I did front squats at 95lbs
10 Ring-rows
10 wallball burpies ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45GnV4DjkjU ) I can't watch the video at work, but based on the name it should show what these are.
3 pullups"Dr Dunn admitted that his research could also be interpreted as evidence that women are shallower than men. He said: "Let's face it - there's evidence to support it."
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Cool that you gave the OH squat a try! There is something to be said for movements or exercises (like skipping rope) that require coordination. I think it makes things the whole ordeal more interesting and fun.ryanjoachim wrote: »Yesterday's workout
3 OH squats (65lbs) - I'm not flexible enough for these, so I did front squats at 95lbs -
The easiest way to embarrass random Joe-showoff in the gym is to ask him to do some overhead squats. Most guys can do ZERO.
Check this out. This video is total inspiration. Watch it, then go to the gym and try a bodyweight OHS, and watch it again!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjuULPqI-WY
Correct me if I'm wrong. But I've always thought that full squats of 'any' kind, including the ones above that require stability and coordination, were OK for folks under 25 or so but wreaked havoc on your knees if you were past your PEAK years.
I know at my age one should really think 'twice' about something like that. I, myself, never do more than 1/4 to a little less than 1/2 squats with any 'real' weight and even then I take 'great' care to stretch out, warm up, and start out light before I get a little heavier.
If I did what the woman in the video is doing I'd need knee surgery after the first or second set? lol
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Correct me if I'm wrong. But I've always thought that full squats of 'any' kind, including the ones above that require stability and coordination, were OK for folks under 25 or so but wreaked havoc on your knees if you were past your PEAK years.
I know at my age one should really think 'twice' about something like that. I, myself, never do more than 1/4 to a little less than 1/2 squats with any 'real' weight and even then I take 'great' care to stretch out, warm up, and start out light before I get a little heavier.
If I did what the woman in the video is doing I'd need knee surgery after the first or second set? lol
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I suppose it depends on the person. We've got women and men ranging from 20 years old up past 50 doing all sorts of squats.
If you have the right form, and the right weight, there's really not that much pressure going on your knees. If you do it right, most of the pressure is actually on your thighs and calves (I don't know the specific muscle groups off the top of my head)."Dr Dunn admitted that his research could also be interpreted as evidence that women are shallower than men. He said: "Let's face it - there's evidence to support it."
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It is critical to STOP RUNNING when you feel something is wrong.
My brain tells my body that even before I run that something is wrong normally when I have to get out of bed early in the morning, I guess that means I should stop then. -
It is critical to STOP RUNNING when you feel something is wrong.
I'd rephrase that to: "it is critical to stop running when you feel real pain". "Real pain" meaning anything more than just uncomfortable or sore or burning muscles."Dr Dunn admitted that his research could also be interpreted as evidence that women are shallower than men. He said: "Let's face it - there's evidence to support it."
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Of course some people will tolerate squats better than others. I have had three knee surgeries, and so I am extremely sensitive to any stress on the knees. Running is immediately painful as so I have stopped running entirely. Yet (butt-to-the-floor) squatting is fine; I do approx. 100 squats in each circuit. Skipping rope is also O.K., as is kicking (with a few exceptions).Correct me if I'm wrong. But I've always thought that full squats of 'any' kind, including the ones above that require stability and coordination, were OK for folks under 25 or so but wreaked havoc on your knees if you were past your PEAK years.
I know at my age one should really think 'twice' about something like that. I, myself, never do more than 1/4 to a little less than 1/2 squats with any 'real' weight and even then I take 'great' care to stretch out, warm up, and start out light before I get a little heavier.
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Actually, I would say that "anything more than just uncomfortable or sore or burning muscles" is better described as something wrong, because burning muscles are real pain. For example, last night I did mostly heavy bag work. Of course if you throw 1000 left jabs you will finish with a burning shoulder, but underneath that pain there was also something "wrong" happening so I stopped what I was doing. I have a chronic shoulder injury that was less painful but more worrisome than the burn. Its pretty good today because I stopped immediately. If I had gone a few more rounds I am sure it would be killing me now.ryanjoachim wrote: »I'd rephrase that to: "it is critical to stop running when you feel real pain". "Real pain" meaning anything more than just uncomfortable or sore or burning muscles. -
Yes, good form is critical. I think if the motion is slow and controlled, and you work up very slowly starting from bodyweightryanjoachim wrote: »I suppose it depends on the person. We've got women and men ranging from 20 years old up past 50 doing all sorts of squats.
If you have the right form, and the right weight, there's really not that much pressure going on your knees. If you do it right, most of the pressure is actually on your thighs and calves (I don't know the specific muscle groups off the top of my head).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ZE3O6svwc&feature=related
then most people will tolerate squats just fine. Again, for me, squats are incomparably easier on the knees than running. -
I've been wondering about you Las...how've you been lately after your surgery?"Dr Dunn admitted that his research could also be interpreted as evidence that women are shallower than men. He said: "Let's face it - there's evidence to support it."
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ryanjoachim wrote: »I'd rephrase that to: "it is critical to stop running when you feel real pain". "Real pain" meaning anything more than just uncomfortable or sore or burning muscles.
I'm beginning to think my pain problem is just arthritis, which has been diagnosed before in my knees. It comes and goes under normal conditions but I think the running has really aggravated it. It can get debilitating and hurt just as bad as any tear or sprain.2 channel - Willsenton R8 tube integrated, Holo Audio Spring 3 KTE DAC, audio optimized NUC7i5, Windows 10 Pro/JRiver MC29/Fidelizer Plus 8.7 w/LPS and external SSD drive, PS Audio PerfectWave P3 regenerator, KEF R3 speakers, Rythmik F12SE subwoofer, Audioquest Diamond USB cable, Gabriel Gold IC's, Morrow Audio SP5 speaker cables. Computer - Windows 10/JRiver, Schiit Magni 3+/Modi 3+, Fostex PMO.4n monitors, Sennheiser HD600 headphones -
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I tried out slow-carb diet starting about 3 weeks ago and so far I'm down 12lbs... not bad, for a diet where I can still eat all the steak and grilled fish & chicken I want and never starve myself
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That is your sign to change what you are doing, and change it NOW. Cycling, skipping rope, and squats are all excellent alternatives to running in your case. My knees are so damaged that I simply cannot run, but can tolerate all the above exercises. Cycling in particular is good to lubricate the knee before moving on to other exercises. Kicking, if you are able, is an alternative to the warm-up provided by cycling.dragon1952 wrote: »I'm beginning to think my pain problem is just arthritis, which has been diagnosed before in my knees. It comes and goes under normal conditions but I think the running has really aggravated it. It can get debilitating and hurt just as bad as any tear or sprain.Arthritic knees can lose mobility in both the ability to flex/bend and the ability to extend/straighten the knee. The use of a stationary bike has been demonstrated to be effective in improving knee mobility. The easy repetitive motion of the knee that occurs with stationary biking stimulates production of synovial fluid, the natural lubricant of the knee. Riding a stationary bike 10 to 15 minutes on a regular basis can keep the joint lubricated and improve the ability of the knee to bend. -
12 lbs is excellent.I tried out slow-carb diet starting about 3 weeks ago and so far I'm down 12lbs... not bad, for a diet where I can still eat all the steak and grilled fish & chicken I want and never starve myself
Sorry but I have to offer my 2 cents. The essence of the slow-carb diet is sensible: focus on low GI carbs like basmati rice, lentils, oatmeal, rather than white bread and pasta. However, following this diet to the letter is unnecessary. Timing protein intake in particular is unnecessary. So is avoiding dairy. Too much protein has been shown to lead to reduced kidney function (one of those things that comes back to haunt you in your 40s and 50s after mega-dosing in your 20s and 30s). Dairy consumption, on the contrary, has been linked to improved fat-loss (when total calories are fixed, high dairy content is linked to enhanced fat loss). -
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12 lbs is excellent.
Sorry but I have to offer my 2 cents. The essence of the slow-carb diet is sensible: focus on low GI carbs like basmati rice, lentils, oatmeal, rather than white bread and pasta. However, following this diet to the letter is unnecessary. Timing protein intake in particular is unnecessary. So is avoiding dairy. Too much protein has been shown to lead to reduced kidney function (one of those things that comes back to haunt you in your 40s and 50s after mega-dosing in your 20s and 30s). Dairy consumption, on the contrary, has been linked to improved fat-loss (when total calories are fixed, high dairy content is linked to enhanced fat loss).
Thanks man, I've been hearing/reading about that too.
I'm keeping a close eye on my kidney functions (sgpt/sgot values, which are raised) and I also have been skeptical on the no-milk/dairy thing.
I was consuming some milk & yogurt on the second week and tried to completely stay away from them on the 3rd... I've found my weight loss to be significantly more on the 3rd week; which may or may not be directly linked to dairy intake.
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One week is not long enough to assess this. Also, are you eating sweetened or plain yogurt?I was consuming some milk & yogurt on the second week and tried to completely stay away from them on the 3rd... I've found my weight loss to be significantly more on the 3rd week; which may or may not be directly linked to dairy intake.
- long-term effects of ALA are not understood, so I would avoid that.What do you think of the supplements? (PAGG stack: policosanol, ALA, garlic, green tea)?
- clinical trials have found no evidence of the efficacy of policosanol.
On the other hand, the many benefits of garlic are well known, and my wife and I drink red tea (not green, since red has no tannins and no caffeine) every night between dinner and bed. Of all the popular supplements, I think fish-oil tabs are probably most useful, but I tend to be a "real food" type. -
This was my run tonight. Not really to bad considering I am old, fat and slow. Took the winter off and have about 15 pounds to lose to get back to where I was last fall....
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I like biking a lot more than running, but it was a better night for a run than a bike ride. (spring in the mid-west is always rather windy...)
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For those curious, I am 5'-9.5" tall and currently about 210 pounds. I would be in really good shape at 185-190. I like biking and tolerate running.
I got a new Garmin 305 for christmas and love the info that it gives you.... (click details on the embedded summary above to see it.) It works great for outdoor exercise (like running, biking, walking or hiking) but does not do nearly as well for stationary exercise (exercise class, elliptical, treadmill, etc...) I use a different HR watch for that. (Sportline 1060)
Anyway - great thread.
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That's pretty good. When I've tried to come back after a long winter, even when I was in my 20s, .5 miles was about all I could muster on the first outing. The Garmin map is pretty cool!
Keeping weight off is a B@#$%! Especially as you 'age'.
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That's pretty good. When I've tried to come back after a long winter, even when I was in my 20s, .5 miles was about all I could muster on the first outing. The Garmin map is pretty cool!
Keeping weight off is a B@#$%! Especially as you 'age'.
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Last year was the first time I ever ran more than 1/4 mile. (and I only ran that far because they made me in high school) I was up to about 5-6 miles last fall... I have bad knees though so I only run 2-3 times per week max and never on back to back days... I land on the balls of my feet when I run (as opposed to my heel) and I think that helps a lot with cushioning my knees.
BTW - I will be 45 this year. Weight was easy to keep off in my 20's, in my 30's it was a slow and steady weight gain until about 2-3 years ago I topped out at about 250 and decided if I didn't change something soon, I was not going to make it to retirement.
Everybody has their thing that works for them when it comes to weight loss. Mine is intensity. It does not matter what you decide to do - run, bike, swim, elliptical, stairmaster, whatever. When you do it though - do it hard. If you can carry on a normal conversation while you are working out - you need to step it up a bit. (thats what works for me anyway)
Good luck everyone - and keep up the hard work.
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One week is not long enough to assess this. Also, are you eating sweetened or plain yogurt?
Plain mostly, but I got some sweetened ones at first.- long-term effects of ALA are not understood, so I would avoid that.
- clinical trials have found no evidence of the efficacy of policosanol.
On the other hand, the many benefits of garlic are well known, and my wife and I drink red tea (not green, since red has no tannins and no caffeine) every night between dinner and bed. Of all the popular supplements, I think fish-oil tabs are probably most useful, but I tend to be a "real food" type.
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