Bully gets owned !!!

ben62670

That was only one shot after the twerp hit him in the face and was humiliating him in front of his classmates. Are you for real crapster? He slammed him once and let him go. I would have gotten on the twerp and held him there humiliating him. Hats off to the big fella for having control and not over doing it. Crappy do you realize that there is next to nobody that agrees with your useless posts here? Not just here, but your stupidity is plastered all over this forum. I'll just chock it up as you seek attention. Even if it is negative.

mdaudioguy

Unfortunately, not all victims of bullying will be able to get such an opportunity to respond to their taunters like this kid did. If the sizes were reversed, and the big kid was the aggressor/taunter, a little kid wouldn't stand a chance. That's why I think those who witness and do nothing, therefore enabling the bullying to continue, bear the greatest responsibility, and should be shouldering the most blame. It takes tremendous courage to intervene, and I applaud any who do.

If that little punk were my kid, one look at that video, and all I'd say to him is, "Well, looks like you got what you deserved."

EDIT: Ok, maybe not the most blame.

mdaudioguy

My point is, there will likely always be bullies, and those who they pick on. It's the rest of us who have the greatest chance to correct and/or change the situation.

McLoki

xcapri79 wrote: »

As I said, violence begets violence and rammifications follow. The small boy was the aggressor, a bully and a coward. That didn't justify what happened to him.

What ever happened to forgiveness and mercy? Why not give peace a chance?

The following quote explains very well why your entire philosophy does not and will not work.

"It does the sheep no good to preach the goodness of a diet of grass, if the wolves are of a different mind." Nathan Rahl- Terry Goodkind, Stone of Tears

Jstas

tonyb wrote: »

The bully...and Casey, both learned life lessons from this with no special laws required, no special bullying classes taken. It's a simple example of what we all grew up with and learned from. Unfortunately, some think these life lessons should be removed, by law if they have to. Life in general has many life lessons that simply isn't learned from a book.

You were one of the people who picked on other kids when you were smaller, weren't you? 'Cause it's usually those who were bullies themselves in the past who see things like this as "life lessons".

Teasing and the typical childhood BS is one thing. Actively singling out one person repeatedly and terrorizing them with threats, public embarrassment, physical altercations and other such behavior is not OK any time, any place or any way. There is no lesson learned by the victim beyond the idea that nobody cares, nobody will stick up for them or come to their aid and that they don't matter. That is permanently damaging to a child and affects them throughout the rest of their lives.

If you can't see the distinction between typical childish taunts and the terrorism that is bullying then honestly, you're part of the problem.

tonyb

A tad cranky today John ? LOL !!

Jstas

mdaudioguy wrote: »

If that little punk were my kid, one look at that video, and all I'd say to him is, "Well, looks like you got what you deserved."

EDIT: Ok, maybe not the most blame.

THAT'S ALL?!?! Pfft! If it were my kid, I'd be thoroughly embarrassed! My kid would be marched or driven right over to Casey's house and he would issue the most sincerely apology he could. I would apologize directly to Casey and his parents for my little **** of a crotchfruit putting him and his family through this BS and assure them it would never happen again. I would leave my contact information and instruct them to tell me if and when this little **** tried this with Casey again and it would be handled immediately. Then I would drag the kid home by his ear and knock his block off, post haste. He'd be grounded for the rest of the school year and all of his "toys" and privileges taken away. Then he would spend the summer in my employ being worked and shown how a real man behaves. If he didn't learn his lesson, military school and I would sign the waiver emphatically that would allow them to issue beatings.

I will be dead in my grave before I let any child of mine get away with behaving like that towards anyone else.

hearingimpared

That vid clip above is the first time I'm seeing this whole saga. From where I stand, the big kid had mercy on this bully and could have done a lot worse as I'm sure this isn't the first time the bullying took place. There are times in life that you just can't talk your way out of a fight and that defending yourself is the only way out of getting hurt. As I said the big kid could have done a lot worse but instead just stopped the bully from hurting him further and walked away.

tonyb

To answer your question John, no, I was never a bully, but had many friends and enemies, who were. The life lesson Casey learned is to not be a victim in the first place and to stand up for himself. If you think that is bad,mentally for the kid then I can't help ya there.
To relate a childhood bully to terrorism is nonsense, plain and simple. Maybe your the type to throw all acts of aggresion into the blanket "terrorism" theme, because it's the neat buzzword of the day.

amulford

I'll tell you what. I used to get picked on quite a bit when I was a child. Being pretty small and living in a rather rough neighborhood, I made for a good target. I'm talking almost daily, here. That lasted about 5 years.

You see, during that time I learned how to defend myself. Oh yeah, I tried peaceful resolution, but it very rarely, if ever, worked. Usually I had to kick the **** out of them to end it. Which I often did purely out of necessity.

As I got older, honing and adding my skills all the while, I would often intercede on the underdogs' behalf. Very often I got myself in trouble doing it, but that made no difference to me. I just did what I had to and accepted the consequences.

To make a long story short, the noble ideas are just that. The reality is you have to draw the line and take care of business when the time comes. To do anything else will 1) invite further episodes of the same treatment 2) Destroy your self confidence and self worth and 3) Put you in jeopardy at some point because those types of personalities very often don't know when or how to stop.

Casey showed excellent self restraint. He took care of business. If it were me placed in that situation, the first kid would have been laid out then his friend right next to him. So I applaud Casey.

hearingimpared

xcapri79 wrote: »

Sheep are food for wolves, not grass. Wolves need to eat to survive and it is their basic nature to eat sheep if they can find them. The analogy is quite flawed.

We should not confuse animal survival instinct with the human capability for rational thought and responsibility for action.

X from what I've seen and read here, there is no rational thought process when someone is trying to hurt you. Defend yourself, disable the bully from hurting you further. That is what seemed to have happend here and it's a shame that these schools with zero tolerance would punish this poor kid with suspension for defusing the situation and then walking away.

tonyb

Jstas wrote: »

Then I would drag the kid home by his ear and knock his block off, post haste. He'd be grounded for the rest of the school year and all of his "toys" and privileges taken away. Then he would spend the summer in my employ being worked and shown how a real man behaves. If he didn't learn his lesson, military school and I would sign the waiver emphatically that would allow them to issue beatings.

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Interesting....your response to a kid being a bully, is to be a bully yourself.

mrbigbluelight

xcapri79 wrote: »

And what about the others watching the altercation? Why didn't someone intervene?

Someone did intervene: Casey.
And with restrained, directed use of force in a manner sufficient to solve the problem.
Excellent job, Casey.

xcapri79 wrote:

It does happen. Here are examples of someone who did intervene on a bully successfully in a non-violent manner.

And those videos do demonstrate someone who did intervene on a bully successfully in a non-violent manner.
Which does not apply to the Casey situation, of course.

In your first video, "In Response to Bullying", Andrew Jenks describes how he was called "Stinky" and other names by bullys on the school bus. Andrew's last class was gym and he does say he probably did smell, but we'd all agree that he shouldn't have been taunted. Andrew was verbally picked on until a more popular student, Cameron, stood up for him and made the bully(s) back down.

In your second video, "Anti-Bullying Ad", a younger Irish (?) lad is seemingly taunted everyday by a group of bullies while a second group sits nearby on a bench and sees this occuring. One day the group of bullies walks by the Irish lad and doesn't taunt him; the implication is that the group on the bench has spoken with the bullies and told them to back off.

Couple of reasons why that doesn't apply to Casey.

In both videos, other people intervened to stop the bullying.
In both videos, there were no physical attacks.

This was not the situation with Casey.

Nobody intervened for Casey.
Casey endured several years of verbal AND physical abuse.

You videos show bullying.
The Casey video shows a rape.

Verbal attacks can be responded to verbally. No violence required.
Non-verbal attacks can also be responded to non-verbally. Up to a point. When the severity of the attack is too severe (whether by the amount of force and/or length of time force is applied) then "violence" may be justified. And who determines if "violence" is justified ?
Simple. The victim.
Better hope the victim has better judgement than you and is more merciful than you, because it is his/her game now.
And Casey had better judgement and was more merciful than his attacker.

Kudos to Casey.

McLoki

xcapri79 wrote: »

Sheep are food for wolves, not grass. Wolves need to eat to survive and it is their basic nature to eat sheep if they can find them. The analogy is quite flawed.

We should not confuse animal survival instinct with the human capability for rational thought and responsibility for action.

You seem to be the one that is confused. When getting taunted, attacked and laughed at in front of others you go into a survival instinct. It may be to cover your head and cower, it may be to run or it may be to fight back.

Based on what you can see from the video, I guess the big kid did not have a lot of fighting experience to draw from - once he had hold of the kid, he did not really seem to know what to do with him. When you don't have personal experience to draw from - you pull it from what you have seen or heard others do. In this case - a body slam. We have all see wrestlers do this with the effect of stunning an opponent - that is what he did.

I am sure you will argue that he should know there are springs under a wrestling mat and concrete is pretty damn hard - but that is a thought for after it is over. He did not pursue the kid after he was down, and he waited until he staggered to his feet to walk off. He showed more thought and mercy that was warranted given the situation.

I know the bully could have been (and may have been) seriously hurt, but you know what? I really don't care. There are mean people in the world - when it comes time to thin the herd, bullies are not bad ones to start with in my opinion.

Michael

mrbigbluelight

xcapri79 wrote: »

A good coach tells his players to not retaliate when another player commits an infraction upon you. "Use your brain and not your gut." The retaliating player is often penalized worse than the aggressor. "Learn to channel your anger into constructive behaviour, like scoring a goal with your stick instead of retaliating with a slash of your stick."
It does work.

The retaliating player is often penalized worse ..... by whom ?

Either a referee, umpire, etc, of course.

By someone who INTERVENES.

Bad analogy, X. Please continue, though.

Welcome comments regarding the videos you posted that also don't apply in the Casey case.

hearingimpared

X I've always taught my two boys to try to talk their way out of a fight and if possible walk away. But! when you have someone who wants to hurt you and hits you then dances around and throws more blows whether they connected or not, it's time to protect yourself. I agree with the poster above. He didn't seem to have much experience protecting himself thus did in the heat and fear of the moment, disable the bully and waited just to make sure he wasn't going to be attacked again then just simply left the scene.

I think he showed incredble restraint expecially considering that his size could have been used to hospitalize the bully.

It seems you like to go against the grain and not look at the actual facts man!

hearingimpared

xcapri79 wrote: »

I guess you haven't seen too many hockey games. A lot happens before the referees intervene. There are only two or three referees and 12 players. They simply can't be everywhere at the same time.
That is the time when cooler heads need to prevail.

But X this goes against your premise. The officials don't get to see all the infractions and thus things tend to get taken care of by the parties involved. Cooler heads prevail in a hockey game !?! I don't think so pal, with all that adrenaline pumping and in the heat of battle.

Poor analogy man.

mrbigbluelight

xcapri79 wrote: »

I guess you haven't seen too many hockey games. A lot happens before the referees intervene. There are only two or three referees and 12 players. They simply can't be everywhere at the same time.
That is the time when cooler heads need to prevail.

I bleed blue.

But whatever misdirecting analogy you wish to offer, be assured that I will assist you by re-directing it back to the topic of Casey.

And your latest analogy: Never been to a hockey game or watched one on T.V. where one player would have been allowed to attack another player like that perpetrated against Casey.
Would never happen.
Unless ..... the referees were pulled.
Which never happens, of course: pull the goalie, happens all the time.

But Casey was playing on a rink with no referees, no linesmen, no goal judges.
So he went Bob Probert on his attacker.

Actually, it would have been kind of nice if he had gone Bob Probert on his attacker. And I hated Bob Probert with a passion. But a Bob Probert response would have been okay. Being the apparent tolerant, patient person he is, Casey chose not to go that route.

So do me a favor: put a little effort in formulating your analogies (on topic would be nice) and I will continue to do an excellent job of correcting them.
I shall intervene for you.

F1nut

Quote:
Originally Posted by xcapri79
A good coach tells his players to not retaliate when another player commits an infraction upon you. "Use your brain and not your gut." The retaliating player is often penalized worse than the aggressor. "Learn to channel your anger into constructive behaviour, like scoring a goal with your stick instead of retaliating with a slash of your stick."
It does work.

There was a little guy in my high school that had suffered the effects of polio, it affected his athletic abilities, yet he tried his best when it came to gym/sports. There was this other guy, a big jock type that was always verbally picking on the guy with polio. One day we were in gym class playing touch football, the little guy had the ball when the big jock put a crushing hit on that kid that left him hurt on the ground. I ran over to the jock, yelling at him for what he did. We exchanged words and then he put his hand on me. I dropped him with one punch. The "coach" shook my hand, patted me on the back and said, "well done." No one got suspended. The jock learned a life lesson, never bothered the guy with polio again and avoided me like the plague.

It does work.

hearingimpared

F1nut wrote: »

There was a little guy in my high school that had suffered the effects of polio, it affected his athletic abilities, yet he tried his best when it came to gym/sports. There was this other guy, a big jock type that was always verbally picking on the guy with polio. One day we were in gym class playing touch football, the little guy had the ball when the big jock put a crushing hit on that kid that left him hurt on the ground. I ran over to the jock, yelling at him for what he did. We exchanged words and then he put his hand on me. I dropped him with one punch. The "coach" shook my hand, patted me on the back and said, "well done." No one got suspended. The jock learned a life lesson, never bothered the guy with polio again and avoided me like the plague.

It does work.

Ahhhh the good ole days!

mdaudioguy

Jstas wrote: »

THAT'S ALL?!?! Pfft! If it were my kid, I'd be thoroughly embarrassed! My kid would be marched or driven right over to Casey's house and he would issue the most sincerely apology he could. I would apologize directly to Casey and his parents for my little **** of a crotchfruit putting him and his family through this BS and assure them it would never happen again. I would leave my contact information and instruct them to tell me if and when this little **** tried this with Casey again and it would be handled immediately. Then I would drag the kid home by his ear and knock his block off, post haste. He'd be grounded for the rest of the school year and all of his "toys" and privileges taken away. Then he would spend the summer in my employ being worked and shown how a real man behaves. If he didn't learn his lesson, military school and I would sign the waiver emphatically that would allow them to issue beatings.

I will be dead in my grave before I let any child of mine get away with behaving like that towards anyone else.

No. I said all, but, of course there would be plenty more. But, I've brought them up better than that. That would be the basis for my response, though. No sympathy for a bully. However, too many parents of bullies probably never even believe their kids are bullies.

hearingimpared

mdaudioguy wrote: »

No. I said all, but, of course there would be plenty more. But, I've brought them up better than that. That would be the basis for my response, though. No sympathy for a bully. However, too many parents of bullies probably never even believe their kids are bullies.

Or in this day and age with things as they are with kids the parents may not even be aware which is a terrible shame.

madmax

xcapri79 wrote: »

Casey did not show tolerance with his forceful slam of a smaller boy onto concrete.

For this I applaud the young man. Way to go Casey! Its a shame he didn't break his leg and give him a good knee shot in the groin. Too many puss types around today without backbones.

treitz3

My comment wasn't a personal attack. It was a suggestion that is advised you not take lightly.

bobman1235

xcapri79 wrote: »

Both boys were rightly suspended by the school for their violent actions. This school like many others has a zero tolerance for violence, because violence is not the answer. It is sad to see that so many advocate taking the law into their hands and committing violence as a means to resolving personal conflict. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Personal attacks from bullies on this forum show them for who they are.

Zero tolerance = zero brains. Simple as taht. Every situation requires someone to think and consider the circumstances, a concept you're unfamiliar with, I know.

Someone punches you in the face, repeatedly, you hit them back, or it's not going to stop. That's reality. And in the heat of the moment, WHILE FIGHTING, you don't think "hmm,what is a rational response to this situation? How can I politely respond in kind?" You don't understand that because you've never been in anything resembling that situation. You sit on your high horse and judge a 16-year old kid for not responding perfectly after being tormented. He's a f***ing kid. A mindset you should be familiar with, you childish little instigator.

mdaudioguy

xcapri79 wrote: »

Both boys were rightly suspended by the school for their violent actions. This school like many others has a zero tolerance for violence, because violence is not the answer. It is sad to see that so many advocate taking the law into their hands and committing violence as a means to resolving personal conflict. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Personal attacks from bullies on this forum show them for who they are.

So, a kid takes a few shots, doesn't retaliate, and runs off to tell an administrator. Let's assume there's no video. The attacker denies everything. His friends (possibly the only witnesses) back him up. The school has no justification to punish him (is suspension really a punishment anyhow?), or perhaps the victim has a bruise, so they decide to suspend the bully. Either way, those bullies are going to strike again, probably in a place off school grounds, where the victim has no help, no possible witnesses, and no chance. This is just the way it goes. The sad thing is that this bully may not be reformed by any of this, but if he tries to pick on someone again, it's far less likely to be Casey. And I think that was Casey's intent.

stuwee

Jstas wrote: »

THAT'S ALL?!?! Pfft! If it were my kid, I'd be thoroughly embarrassed! My kid would be marched or driven right over to Casey's house and he would issue the most sincerely apology he could. I would apologize directly to Casey and his parents for my little s@#t of a crotchfruit putting him and his family through this BS and assure them it would never happen again. I would leave my contact information and instruct them to tell me if and when this little **** tried this with Casey again and it would be handled immediately. Then I would drag the kid home by his ear and knock his block off, post haste. He'd be grounded for the rest of the school year and all of his "toys" and privileges taken away. Then he would spend the summer in my employ being worked and shown how a real man behaves. If he didn't learn his lesson, military school and I would sign the waiver emphatically that would allow them to issue beatings.

I will be dead in my grave before I let any child of mine get away with behaving like that towards anyone else.

Hmmm, interesting, I report Jstas for attacking me and being a ****, and my post and his gets deleted....no fair!!:frown:

bobman1235

Oh you witnessed it! Totally the same as being in it. You totally understand what he was going through if you witnessed it.

You live in a fairy tale world that doesn't exist, and never will. The complete unwillingness of people like you to accept that does far more damage than any amount of fighting ever will.

cstmar01

xcapri79 wrote: »

I guess you haven't seen too many hockey games. A lot happens before the referees intervene. There are only two or three referees and 12 players. They simply can't be everywhere at the same time.
That is the time when cooler heads need to prevail.

so everything that happens in a hockey game that is of violent nature happens when the ref isn't looking?

Like being checked hard into a board where the puck is? I don't think I've ever seen a ref break that up or run up and be like "ok guys now your being too aggressive, stop."

I think you would prefer them to play with wet noodles.

Is football to violent for you? They hit each other all the time. Maybe they should stop.

X you complain about being bullied on a freakin' forum.

Maybe if you didn't take a stance that YOU KNOW WILL CAUSE A REACTION, you wouldn't be so bullied.

What was that a good coach tells them to channel their anger to make a goal and not take it out? Think you need to follow your own advice, rather than provoking people to call you names etc work on being normal for once. If you can't handle that, then the forum isn't for you.

txcoastal1

xcapri79 wrote: »

You couldn't be more wrong. You don't know my personal history so you can't say that. The fact of the matter is I have witnessed those situations growing up in the tough area. To summarize, retaliatory violence was not the answer to resolving the problem.

"retaliatory violence".....NOT....at this point

he was defending himself for that day, and days of abuse to come.

There is a difference