upgraditis

Ericw2431

Ok so as some of you know i have 700 to spend should i upgrade the sub to a pro600 polk sub and would there be a noticible diffrence?! Or should i save up and get a sb12 plus or pc13 ultra wich out of those is better?! This wil be my last upgrade.....if i go the polk way i would be getting 2!! Please help me choose

Ericw2431

Oh yeah i can also go the polk dsw4000 route to

mn12

Well if you go with the DSW MicroPRO 4000, remember that the cheapest you can usually find those is around $850 shipped for each one, if you can find them when Polk has refurbs available. I can say that if you get those, you will be more than satisfied with them. I have one that I've been running, just got another, and I'm trying to figure out how to safely run and set both up. But I highly recommend the MP4K because of how capable that sub is of handling whatever you can throw at it.

leroyjr1

Epik Empire $799

ben62670

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=300-764
Turn a few screws and it will blow the others out of the water.

mystik610

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1313176

I'd save a little more and expand your options.

Ericw2431

850 for the polk Mp4k?! =O where did you see that?! and is the sub really that good?! my room is pretty small but i want to get the hardest punch i can get for my money! also i looked at HSU and the VTF-15H seems like a hell of a deal how do yall think that compares?! and as for the dayton i dont think i can do that right so cross that of my list..... i looked at svs and man did the svs sb13 impress me but i doubt i can waste 1500 and ^ so my limit is 950! and that HSU also impresses me! especially new!!! so i narrowed it down to the hsu and the polk MP4k or as i sayed before the dual pro's 600 i have time so im in no rush!

Ericw2431

oh yeah and the ed A5 - 350 seems like a better deal than the HSU

B Run

Dude there's a 15" Dayton Titanic on Austin craigslist for $375 right now! If you don't buy it I might have to. I just got my SVS last week otherwise I would have snagged it.

ben62670

The Titanic easily out played Polk's top of the line sub.

Ericw2431

the thing is 5 years old dough?! like i sayed it would be my last upgrade...would it last me?!

grimmace19

JL fathom f110/112/113

Ericw2431

The frequency response seem high for the price?! somthing that will go to atleast 18?!

B Run

I'd personally get the Dayton even though it's 5, but it's your money and you have to live with what you buy. Lot of sub for the money and you'd still have cash left over.

danz1906

SVS Ultra-13

packetjones

My recommendation would be to go with a SVS or a HSU for that kind of money.

mystik610

Ericw2431 wrote: »

oh yeah and the ed A5 - 350 seems like a better deal than the HSU

I'm a Hsu fan...a buddy of mine at the office is a big ED fan. We've both had a chance to listen to each others systems.

Both companies make great subs. HSU is my preference, as their subs send to sound much cleaner. They're definitely more sound quality/musicality oriented subwoofers....but that by no means doesn't mean they don't have the impact to work well for HT. I've never heard the VTF-15, but I am very impressed with my VTF-3's output, and can only imagine how much harder the VTF-15 hits.

My co-worker actually has an ED A7, and that thing hits HARD. In terms for raw power, the ED gets a nod (though its not really an apples to oranges comparison to my VTF-3). His sub isn't as clean as the HSU, however, and when it comes to music and even a little bit with HT, the ED does sound comparably 'boomy'.

Dual Polk subs isn't something you should discount right off the bat though. Setting up dual subs is very challenging, but offers distinct advantages over a single beastly sub....particularly in terms of flattening the frequency response across the room. If you have a lot of seating positions or have a very awkward shaped/open listening space, dual subs can go a long way. My VTF-3 is sitting nearfield, and I have to admit that in the seats closer to the sub, its actually kind of overwhelming and drowns the main audio track out.

Ericw2431

So im thinking hsu vtf3 mk3 but i see its only 50 watts more than my curreny sub like i sayed i want something to hit me hard is the hsu that much better?! If i got vtf 3 i might just go duaal vtf 3 if i go for the hsu 15 that wil just be one but dosent it seem under powered?!

Ericw2431

And can some one tell me where i can get the polk dsw MP4k

Ericw2431

For 850!!!

mystik610

Ericw2431 wrote: »

So im thinking hsu vtf3 mk3 but i see its only 50 watts more than my curreny sub like i sayed i want something to hit me hard is the hsu that much better?! If i got vtf 3 i might just go duaal vtf 3 if i go for the hsu 15 that wil just be one but dosent it seem under powered?!

Wattage isn't everything when it comes to subwoofers...or audio in general. The efficiency of the driver, cabinet design, bracing, tuning, etc are at least as important....most of these factors are actually more important. When it comes to ported subs, having enough volume in the cabinet and ports plays a very big role in the amount of air that can be moved without chuffing/distortion. The Hsu weighs twice as much as the PSW505, and is quite a big larger, which says a lot about the cabinet design.

The Hsu also has useable output down to 18hz in max extension mode, vs 23hz in the PSW505, which not only allows it to play lower, but gives it more headroom in the subsonic frequencies.

Ericw2431

May i please kno the efficincy of both drivers?! So should i got vtf3 mk3 or hsu15 dont know the model but the 15' that has ports

mystik610

Ericw2431 wrote: »

May i please kno the efficincy of both drivers?! So should i got vtf3 mk3 or hsu15 dont know the model but the 15' that has ports

The efficiency of the driver isn't usually something that's advertised for full assembled subwoofers....it is something you consider, however, if you're building a DIY HT or Car Audio Sub.

I haven't heard the VTF-15, but my gut tells me that two VTF-3's would have more output across the board than a single VTF-15, plus you have all the advantages of running multiple subs (ie, flatter frequency response around the room). As a warning though, setting up multiple subs can be VERY tricky, as you have to deal with timing, cancellation, and all sorts of other issues. It'll take quite a bit more effort than simply running audyssey and walking away.

If you're serious about the Hsu, it'd probably be a good idea to contact Pete either on their forum or by phone. It wouldn't hurt to reach out to eD and SVS while you're at it. These internet direct companies are very hands on with their customer service/sales. I've had good experiences with both the folks at Hsu and SVS.

Ericw2431

Yeah i was thinking the same maybe if hsu had a freq. Response vs spl like svs it would be much easier!..but il go ahead and call

aboroth00

The VTF-15 has about double the output of 1 VTF3Mk3, but of course you don't get the advantages of having dual subs. It's been said it's a little week around 20hz as well, even plugged.

Do some research on the AVS forum, it has a lot more information and it's where Pete Hsu posts.

Those response curves are pretty useless. Your room is the biggest factor in determining how the sub will respond and sound. All you need to know is the Hsu and the SVS will dig deep or dig to a certain frequency and can be modified to go a little deeper.

Ericw2431

yes correct me if im wrong but they have both been mesured! the pb13 ultra has been proved to be better on all frequency response's ranging from 80-18hz all by at least 3db+ and when it came to lower freq. they came to atleast 1db close! but how much is 3db?! is it really 800$ better?!