Anyone into torrents?

ryanjoachim

bobman1235 wrote: »

If it's worth downloading, it's worth paying for.

Interesting.

Jstas

jinjuku wrote: »

Ok Idiot.

Funny, I see the Credit Card dump posts deleted all the time. They are just as illegal as members offering to send other members copies of CD's.

That would be spam which gets deleted because it violates the forum rules, not necessarily because it's illegal.

Don't you have traffic to play in?

Jstas

ryanjoachim wrote: »

Piracy in it's current form is only around because of groups like the MPAA, who are trying to force people to stay in the past. CD's and DvD's are like all technology...companies that use them need to evolve the technology and keep up with the times.

I think the rest of your post is a wee bit off kilter but this chunk really stands out. Piracy exists because of human nature. Not everyone is idealistic and believes that the laws of society work and we should all obey them. Also, not everyone is happy with their station in life and view opportunities like stealing from the perceived rich as an opportunity to get ahead of the "unfair" game and level the playing field a bit.

Piracy will always exist. Whether the MPAA or RIAA are around or not. Does that make it right or legal? Nope, not at all. Piracy, at it's most fundamental definition, is crime because there is intent to take by force or deception goods, services or currency to be levied for financial gains. It's not civil disobedience in any way and you really shouldn't be putting the civil disobedience shoe on the piracy foot.

I mean, yeah, some acts of piracy in this case could be seen as civil disobedience due to concerns about the MPAA and RIAA tactics or because of protests of pricing or how the organizations treat the talent. It doesn't make it right or legal to do. That's why it's called disobedience.

If you're downloading this stuff without paying for it and you're fine with it, more power to you. I don't care, it's your head if you get caught. At the same time, I'm not going to repeat myself like a myna bird over and over again about how illegal it is. *cough*bobman*cough* Given that, nobody really wants to hear about how much you do it, what your intent is or what you do with your ill gotten goods when you are done with them. Besides, if you're doing something that you know is a crime and getting caught carries stiff legal and financial penalties, why would you broadcast your illicit activities to the world?

bobman1235

Haha, just to be clear, I don't care if you do it, just don't delude yourself that it's not illegal or wrong. It is. If you're fine with that, as John says, more power to you.

rdb2001

cokewithvanilla wrote: »

Usenet, newsgroups.. whatever you wanna call them. Download speed = internet connection speed.

I mentioned encoding. If you rip a BR, it might take a few hours, but encoding it can take 10. If you want a compressed movie, it is definitely quicker to download.

50mbps = 22.5 gig/ hour

oh, not to mention that you can queue up 30 movies and wait... no disc changing. And it doesn't tie up your drive... hell, you don't even need a br drive... and with encoding, you need a pretty nice computer, and while its doing it, forget watching a movie or tv on the same system.

Ahh usenets. I remember the days. No waiting, instant download. I use to use newdemon with news rover with ssl unlimited. I canceled a while back but got an email today for 7 bucks a month for life with unlimited ssl. Man its tempting. They are trying to get me back as a member. Usenets have quality stuff too. I have not really used them since dvds but the dvds use to be 4.5-5 gig movies. I couldnt not tell the difference when popping in the store bought and and some I downloaded.

cokewithvanilla

bobman1235 wrote: »

Legality is not an opinion. I have no problem wtih the discussion, but it's not an opinion. What you are doing is illegal.

I said I download material that I ALREADY OWN. If that is illegal, then making a copy in case mine breaks is also illegal.

I remember that you used to be allowed to download games if you already own them... I don't know if that extends to movies/music... but if it's illegal for me to download something I OWN... then, I don't really care what the law says... not all laws make sense, ya know?

edit: isn't that how DVR's work? You can make a copy of the TV material and use it for personal use because, at the time you recorded it, you owned the rights to view it. Does this extend to all intellectual property?

ben62670

I'm fine with it. I go to the artists website and look for sample. Not there I go to youtube. Nothing good SQ wise I download what I am interested in. Sounds good I buy it. Sounds crappy it gets deleted, and I save the money that would have been wasted. I think it is a great tool for hearing music you would never hear. I think it would be nice if you could "rent" music cheap for a time period. if you wanted to buy it the rental fee could be deducted from the purchase price. I think this would boost sales for the industry. The selection in stores is pretty week. Online HiRez downloads are hopefully a prosperous thing of the future.

mdaudioguy

Jstas wrote: »

Piracy, at it's most fundamental definition, is crime because there is intent to take by force or deception goods, services or currency to be levied for financial gains. It's not civil disobedience in any way and you really shouldn't be putting the civil disobedience shoe on the piracy foot.

I mean, yeah, some acts of piracy in this case could be seen as civil disobedience due to concerns about the MPAA and RIAA tactics or because of protests of pricing or how the organizations treat the talent. It doesn't make it right or legal to do. That's why it's called disobedience.

It's not civil disobedience, but could be seen as such? Who's out there downloading from torrents in protest??

WWGD?

cokewithvanilla

mdaudioguy wrote: »

It's not civil disobedience, but could be seen as such? Who's out there downloading from torrents in protest??

I know that was sarcasm, but when Assassins Creed II came out with all the anti-priacy crap, you had a group of people who REFUSED to buy it based on the anti piracy. You also had a group of people who downloaded it in 'protest', and then you had the crackers, who worked extra hard as a means of protest. There are also groups who protest for freedom of intellectual property who do the same.

edit: also, does anyone remember Microsoft's response to W7 Leaks? They said "good, more beta testers"... perhaps it's only theft when the party 'stolen' from considers it such...

bobman1235

cokewithvanilla wrote: »

I said I download material that I ALREADY OWN. If that is illegal, then making a copy in case mine breaks is also illegal.

You're not the only person posting in this thread about downloading things, so don't take everything to be directed at you. Downloading things you already own should and might be legal, but don't think they won't at least TRY to screw you over anyway.

MOST people who have posted say they download things to "try them out" or that they "wouldn't have otherwise purchased anyway." That's a different story.

cokewithvanilla

bobman1235 wrote: »

You're not the only person posting in this thread about downloading things, so don't take everything to be directed at you. Downloading things you already own should and might be legal, but don't think they won't at least TRY to screw you over anyway.

MOST people who have posted say they download things to "try them out" or that they "wouldn't have otherwise purchased anyway." That's a different story.

Yeah, I was just making my statement clear since you quoted me. So let's make this clear ... perfectly clear... I follow every single law ever written, and I do not take part in ANY illegal activities :biggrin:


(((look elsewhere, police )))

ben62670

I never drive above the posted speed limit even if it is 25mph on a country road that is wide open in the middle of nowhere.

cokewithvanilla

ben62670 wrote: »

I never drive above the posted speed limit even if it is 25mph on a country road that is wide open in the middle of nowhere.

That's the spirit!

Jstas

mdaudioguy wrote: »

It's not civil disobedience, but could be seen as such? Who's out there downloading from torrents in protest??

I posted the answer earlier in the thread, go find and read it. I can't be bothered with it.

janmike

Ricardo wrote: »

I have no idea what that is. First time I hear that word. Seriously.

Same here. I must lead a sheltered life - YES!

mdaudioguy

Jstas wrote: »

I posted the answer earlier in the thread, go find and read it. I can't be bothered with it.

No worries; it was rhetorical.

kevhed72

janmike wrote: »

Same here. I must lead a sheltered life - YES!

I read through this whole thread and still have no clue.

I'm going back to 8-tracks...

avelanchefan

inspiredsports wrote: »

What were the penalties in the 2 instances when you were caught?

Both were warning from COX cable. The instances were a few years apart, far enough apart that I was not looked into more.

I was just asked to remove the content from my hard drive. And that I had to write a letter back to them stating that I had done so.

cokewithvanilla

you can get info on DMCA notices all over the place. The general consensus is "don't worry"... here's a common "oh crap, I got a DMCA notice, am i going to die!?!?" thread

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16286383

the letters simply request that you stop sharing the file. Most of the time, you receive the notice long after you've already stopped doing that, so compliance literally means doing nothing. I can see why people freak though. If you get a letter with your name, account number, ip, ect and the exact name of a file you downloaded a few days ago... you start to panic and wonder how they know.....

bobman1235

DMCA not DCMA. FYI, YMMV.

cokewithvanilla

hah sorry. Digital millennium copyright act.... next time I'll say it out loud when I type