Newbie question

bjmoran

Hi All , Im new to the site . I have a Denon AVR -391 receiver with a pair of Polk TSI300s for the fronts , I just purchased a PSW110 subwoofer that should be here in a week . My question is ..do i have to worry about the subwoofer settings or does the LFE connection take care of all that . Im a bit overwhelmed when I read about all the settings involved .

quadzilla

Use the LFE connection and set the crossover point in the Denon to 80 Hz. Run a calibration and you're done.

bjmoran

Dumb question Im sure but how do I run a calibration without a meter . The internet is a wealth of information but as we all know not all of it correct .

Thanks Again !

mdaudioguy

This is a very basic receiver without auto-calibration. All you can do is make manual adjustments as described in pages 7-9 here: http://a248.e.akamai.net/pix.crutchfield.com/Manuals/033/033AVR391.PDF

wutadumsn23

Did your Denon come with a setup mic? I am not too familiar with Denon's, but if it has an auto calibration program (like Audessy for Onkyo) then you should be in business. If not, like quad said, use the LFE hookup and set your crossover at 80hz, that's pretty much all the auto calibration program would do anyway.

-Jeff

wutadumsn23

Lol, nevermind see post #4.

-jeff

mdaudioguy

And, yes, you still have to worry about the subwoofer settings. You have a week to get your learn on!

bjmoran

Thanks guys .. like you said I have a week ( Im actually looking forward to learning and this seems like a great place to start ) Wish me luck LOL

mdaudioguy

bjmoran wrote: »

Thanks guys .. like you said I have a week ( Im actually looking forward to learning and this seems like a great place to start ) Wish me luck LOL

Btw, Welcome to Club Polk!

Ask away - lot's of help here! Occasionally a few smart-a$$ answers, but all in fun!

bjmoran

Thanks for the help ... its much appreciated !

Barry

bjmoran

mdaudioguy wrote: »

This is a very basic receiver without auto-calibration. All you can do is make manual adjustments as described in pages 7-9 here: http://a248.e.akamai.net/pix.crutchfield.com/Manuals/033/033AVR391.PDF

Hey I love my Denon LOL !! Actually I was suprised I could buy a Denon brand new for under 200 bucks .

Issa

Worth a try and might sound better for you if you like a little more bass:

X-Over: 80Hz
LFE X-Over: 120Hz
LFE+Main

Give these settings a try.

bjmoran

Thanx Issa ... but I dont really understand the X-Over or LFE X Over part

Issa

The default setting has the speakers and sub overlap between the range of frequencies of 80-120Hz. Depending on the speakers, your room and what sounds best to you, this could be good or bad. My guess, it will give you a fuller sound but this is up to your ears to decide.

A crossover (x.over) will split the frequencies at the set point. Above the set point will be sent to the TSI speakers (small). Below the set point will go to the sub. By default, your Denon has the crossover set to 80Hz for speakers when you install a sub (on). So, anything above 80Hz will go to the TSI speakers while below will go to the sub as the sub is more suited and capable of playing the low frequencies. The default setting on the Sub x-over on your Denon is 120Hz which acts more like a higher frequencies filter since everything above 120Hz will not be played by the sub (but will still be played by the speakers since the speakers crossover of 80Hz tells them to play above that).

By selecting LFE+Main mode will insure that your sub will get the low frequencies regardless if you have the speakers set to small or large but set the speakers to small anyway. Page 7-9 explains this

Speakers: Small
X-Over: 80Hz

LFE X-Over: 120Hz
Mode: LFE+Main (or LFE)

Issa

In short, the Sub will play all freq. below 120Hz and the TSi speakers will play everything above 80Hz. 80-120Hz will be played by both.

Also, find a good location for the sub preferably up front.

bjmoran

Ok got it ... thanks i will definetly give this a go . Great help ...

Barry

Issa

Your TSi speakers are capable of playing below 80Hz so it's worth a try to set their crossover below 80Hz too like 60Hz.

Another setting I'd try is this:
Speakers: Large
X-Over: 60Hz

LFE X-Over: 120Hz
Mode: LFE+Main

Good luck and have fun.

Issa

opps, meant speakers "small".

bjmoran

Thats a good starting point ... thanks !

treitz3

bjmoran wrote: »

The internet is a wealth of information but as we all know not all of it is correct.

You helped yourself out more than you know there, never forget that and your audio journey will go far in this hobby. Keep an open ear out for what YOU like and by the way, welcome to Club Polk.

bjmoran

Thanks Treitz .. my wife thinks im crazy because I research ALOT before I jump into anything . I love my music and want the best bang for my dollar . Very excited about my new sub ...Now excuse me while I continue changing ALL the base moulding in the dang house ! ( this 2 way street thing sux lol )

treitz3

I'm quite sure most of our wives think we are crazy on this forum as well but ya' gotta remember one thing. It works both ways. I mean, come on. How many pairs of shoes do they really need?

Just for your knowledge....you are not crazy here. You are 100% completely normal. Welcome home.

Polkie2009

Welcome to the Club, +1 on what T said,I think most of us here really enjoy this hobby and like you said, we want the best bang for our money. I do the same when it comes to researching something new for the system:)

bjmoran

Thanks all for the great welcome and help . Im sure I will have alot more questions after the sub actually gets here . But the more I read the more im understanding ! Im now wondering if I might get an answer to my SACD questions in these forums !

Issa

The LFE+Main has effect only if any of the regular speakers is set to Large. If all the speakers are set to small, LFE+Main functions same as LFE so might as well use LFE mode.

If any of the speakers is set to Large, the low frequencies will also be duplicated and routed to the sub so there would be a redundancy in these freq. This could cause a boomy sound or low frequencies cancelation which might be possible to tune by adjusting the location or direction of the sub. Crossover on the speakers will not matter if speakers are large so both large and sub will play low freq. below the x.over for the sub and not only 80-120Hz.

The CS20 center will most likely be set to small.

The thing here is that the TSi's and CS20 are capable of reproducing mid-bass better than the PSW110 and I'm over thinking of getting the best sound overall.

If the fronts are set to Large then the LFE+Main can come into play depending on how loud and clean the cass can be.

I know I phrased few things incorrectly before (late night) and wanted to clarify but best is to try the different settings and decide what sounds best.

treitz3

bjmoran wrote: »

Im now wondering if I might get an answer to my SACD questions in these forums !

Feel free to ask away. It would be better to ask in the appropriate forum, though.

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=7

This is the sub-forum to where your reviews, suggestions, and questions regarding ALL current entertainment formats are asked. That way, your question is not lost in the depths of this thread. There are many quite knowledgeable folks on this forum to help get your question answered.