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I have an all electric car.The price of charging it compared to the price of filling up is huge.
My electric bill this time last year was 365.00.I have had my car for the past 9 months and the average increase is around 70.00 a month.
Before I started driving my bassonett on wheels I was dumping about 200.00 a month on gas.Parasound Avc-1800
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just to be clear about breeder (fission) reactors - the laws of thermodynamics apply to nuclear physics just as they do to Diesel fuel chemistry. While breeder reactors do indeed make nuclear fuel, the Second Law of Thermodynamics (that's the one about increasing entropy) still holds. As we thermodynamics geeks like to say: the First Law says you can't win and the Second Law says you can't break even. There's no free lunch; the Universe's deck is stacked against us (in the very long term).
The only long term hope, if'n you ask me, for a sustainable supply of energy capable of sustaining the rate of consumptions that humans have accustomed themselves to is nuclear fusion. The laws of thermodynamics still apply... but there's lots of hydrogen in the universe, and there's lots of energy available per unit mass of hydrogen that would be released to do useful work when hydrogen nuclei fuse to form helium (it's due to the "atomic mass deficit" via Einstein's E = m * c^2 , for those keeping score at home). Fusion, mates, that's the ticket. -
A Toyato Prius is actually more harmful to the environment than a Hummer H2 when you take into account the total 'build' process and parts involved.[
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bobman1235 wrote: »Freakin Jane Fonda and the China Syndrome set energy in this nation back more than any other single event in history.
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You don't suppose Three Mile Island had anything to do with it do ya?
I'm a big fan of nuclear energy btw. We should be using it exclusively. My power comes from Grand Gulf about 60 miles from where I live.-Kevin
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Mine is nuclear as well. Fed from the Catawba plant about 10 miles away.
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You don't suppose Three Mile Island had anything to do with it do ya?
I'm a big fan of nuclear energy btw. We should be using it exclusively. My power comes from Grand Gulf about 60 miles from where I live.
I think that the USA would need 1200 (it was some astronomical number) nuclear power plants to be 100% on nuclear power. It takes 3-5 years to build a plant I beleive. -
You don't suppose Three Mile Island had anything to do with it do ya?
Know how many people were hurt / died in 3 Mile Island? Zero. Just sayin'. I'm sure it didn't help public perception, but the fact remains that the number of deaths from nuclear power in the US remains zero, despite the fact that there are over a hundred operating plants in the US. How many people die because of coal mining every year? More than zero, I can guarantee that.I think that the USA would need 1200 (it was some astronomical number) nuclear power plants to be 100% on nuclear power. It takes 3-5 years to build a plant I beleive.
Well, they can be built concurrently rather than one at a time, but more importantly, how many non-nuclear plants are there right now? I'm guessing more than 1200, burning coal and other crap. Nuclear may not be the only answer, but at least it's an answer.If you will it, dude, it is no dream. -
There are also smaller nuclear plants that could be online in as little as 18 months. These plants are in the 15 to 20 megawatt class, and can be factory built, and shipped to site for setup. They would be enough to provide power for about 60 thousand homes and businesses. These types of plants would need only 10-12 people to staff and maintain them.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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Which honestly leads to the bigger question; where are our alternate fuels?
I think biofuel is garbage, as is the electric car, but I'd be curious how far along our hydrogen culling is. That seems like the one real viable alternative to oil in regards to powering our autos.
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bobman1235 wrote: »Freakin Jane Fonda and the China Syndrome set energy in this nation back more than any other single event in history.
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mhardy6647 wrote: »just to be clear about breeder (fission) reactors - the laws of thermodynamics apply to nuclear physics just as they do to Diesel fuel chemistry. While breeder reactors do indeed make nuclear fuel, the Second Law of Thermodynamics (that's the one about increasing entropy) still holds. As we thermodynamics geeks like to say: the First Law says you can't win and the Second Law says you can't break even. There's no free lunch; the Universe's deck is stacked against us (in the very long term).
The only long term hope, if'n you ask me, for a sustainable supply of energy capable of sustaining the rate of consumptions that humans have accustomed themselves to is nuclear fusion. The laws of thermodynamics still apply... but there's lots of hydrogen in the universe, and there's lots of energy available per unit mass of hydrogen that would be released to do useful work when hydrogen nuclei fuse to form helium (it's due to the "atomic mass deficit" via Einstein's E = m * c^2 , for those keeping score at home). Fusion, mates, that's the ticket.
You forgot the 1st rule of hydrogen fusion.
How long until we have usable hydrogen fusion plants?
40 years.
Ask it again and again as the years go by and the answer remains the same...40 years.
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virtualdean wrote: »You forgot the 1st rule of hydrogen fusion.
You don't talk about hydrogen fusion?"Dr Dunn admitted that his research could also be interpreted as evidence that women are shallower than men. He said: "Let's face it - there's evidence to support it."
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yeah I know... but, like Obi-wan, it's our only hope.
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mhardy6647 wrote: »just to be clear about breeder (fission) reactors - the laws of thermodynamics apply to nuclear physics just as they do to Diesel fuel chemistry. While breeder reactors do indeed make nuclear fuel, the Second Law of Thermodynamics (that's the one about increasing entropy) still holds. As we thermodynamics geeks like to say: the First Law says you can't win and the Second Law says you can't break even. There's no free lunch; the Universe's deck is stacked against us (in the very long term).
The only long term hope, if'n you ask me, for a sustainable supply of energy capable of sustaining the rate of consumptions that humans have accustomed themselves to is nuclear fusion. The laws of thermodynamics still apply... but there's lots of hydrogen in the universe, and there's lots of energy available per unit mass of hydrogen that would be released to do useful work when hydrogen nuclei fuse to form helium (it's due to the "atomic mass deficit" via Einstein's E = m * c^2 , for those keeping score at home). Fusion, mates, that's the ticket.
Ok, Physics Geek!
The new ticket now is the anti-matter! In the future, we'll all use anti-matter propulsion engine in our daily drivers. Trying out Different Audio Cables is a Religious Affair. You don't discuss it with anyone. :redface::biggrin: -
I'm for anything that will get me off a strangling dependence on heating oil. Just bought another 200 gallons today at 3.549/gallon. If the COLD continues that might last me three weeks or more? Gas pipelines don't reach this far north. Hooray!
If heating oil matches gas price predictions of 5 dollars a gallon. That means I'll be spending 625 dollars a month for 12 months for OIL! What a waste of ENERGY dollars that is. People in the American North just can't keep flipping this kind of bill, especially where I live where most people make half or less of what I do a year..average salaries up here are quite low!
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We're still luckier than other countries; $3/gallon for us, $3/litter litre for them.
Our cars maybe trash, but they don't run on it.....lol -
The future for cars is in cooking oil - either used or new.
You can go online and order instructions on how to convert your car to run on cooking oil. Plus, with all the unhealthy fast food this country consumes, there is an unlimited supply of used cooking oil.
http://www.greasecar.com/
Petroleum creates harmful pollution, Ethanol is an un-sustainable scam created by the corn-lobby, and electric batteries are still huge and costly....go with grease!!! -
The future for cars is in cooking oil - either used or new.
You can go online and order instructions on how to convert your car to run on cooking oil. Plus, with all the unhealthy fast food this country consumes, there is an unlimited supply of used cooking oil.
http://www.greasecar.com/
Petroleum creates harmful pollution, Ethanol is an un-sustainable scam created by the corn-lobby, and electric batteries are still huge and costly....go with grease!!!
Great... now my car can have greasy fried food and I can't!:mad::rolleyes:
I have been behind cars running on peanut oil and other types of oil restaurant oil waste. I believe this concept is another marketing tool created by the fast-food industry. For some reason the exhaust smell makes me hungry.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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The future for cars is in cooking oil - either used or new.
You can go online and order instructions on how to convert your car to run on cooking oil. Plus, with all the unhealthy fast food this country consumes, there is an unlimited supply of used cooking oil.
The only reason there's an "unlimited supply" of used cooking oil is because every community has at most ONE vehicle that uses it. If there were more than a handful, that "unlimited" supply would quickly disappear. Mass production? NOt a chance.If you will it, dude, it is no dream. -
The future for cars is in cooking oil - either used or new.
You can go online and order instructions on how to convert your car to run on cooking oil. Plus, with all the unhealthy fast food this country consumes, there is an unlimited supply of used cooking oil.
http://www.greasecar.com/
Petroleum creates harmful pollution, Ethanol is an un-sustainable scam created by the corn-lobby, and electric batteries are still huge and costly....go with grease!!!
So, you've put your money where your mouth is and converted your own car(s), right? You're heavily invested in the leaders of this 'technology', right?
As soon as a practical and marketable solution exists, it will be embraced.
There's nothing wrong with oil, and we're sitting on perhaps the largest oil reserves in the world thatwe won't tap into it because of bull **** cloaked in environmental concerns. We need to start drilling here, now, while young inventors work on the transportation energy of the future. -
mhardy6647 wrote: »just to be clear about breeder (fission) reactors - the laws of thermodynamics apply to nuclear physics just as they do to Diesel fuel chemistry. While breeder reactors do indeed make nuclear fuel, the Second Law of Thermodynamics (that's the one about increasing entropy) still holds. As we thermodynamics geeks like to say: the First Law says you can't win and the Second Law says you can't break even. There's no free lunch; the Universe's deck is stacked against us (in the very long term).
The only long term hope, if'n you ask me, for a sustainable supply of energy capable of sustaining the rate of consumptions that humans have accustomed themselves to is nuclear fusion. The laws of thermodynamics still apply... but there's lots of hydrogen in the universe, and there's lots of energy available per unit mass of hydrogen that would be released to do useful work when hydrogen nuclei fuse to form helium (it's due to the "atomic mass deficit" via Einstein's E = m * c^2 , for those keeping score at home). Fusion, mates, that's the ticket.
Agreed. Fission is much less efficient compared to fusion. This is why the sun (stars) uses fusion rather than fission. Seems the designer knew what He was doing, huh?
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The future for cars is in cooking oil - either used or new.
You can go online and order instructions on how to convert your car to run on cooking oil. Plus, with all the unhealthy fast food this country consumes, there is an unlimited supply of used cooking oil.
http://www.greasecar.com/
Petroleum creates harmful pollution, Ethanol is an un-sustainable scam created by the corn-lobby, and electric batteries are still huge and costly....go with grease!!!
The Wankle engine is a good example of this. But, if everyone started using new or used cooking oil the price of that would shoot up just as fast as crude oil does (that may be an exageration).
Greg
I see Bobman1235 beat me to it. Sorry for the similar post.
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
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The Wankle engine is a good example of this.
Good example of what? The wenkel engine is just a design (and one that they never really got working too well, either, what with all the oil leaks) that uses gasoline just like a standard piston engine.If you will it, dude, it is no dream. -
bobman1235 wrote: »Good example of what? The wenkel engine is just a design (and one that they never really got working too well, either, what with all the oil leaks) that uses gasoline just like a standard piston engine.
Yes Bob, but the engine design is more easily converted to burning cooking oil over a standard linear piston engine design (from what I understand anyway, but please correct me if I am wrong).
Greg
Taken from a recent Audioholics reply regarding "Club Polk" and Polk speakers:
"I'm yet to hear a Polk speaker that merits more than a sentence and 60 seconds discussion."
My response is: If you need 60 seconds to respond in one sentence, you probably should't be evaluating Polk speakers.....
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Yes Bob, but the engine design is more easily converted to burning cooking oil over a standard linear piston engine design (from what I understand anyway, but please correct me if I am wrong).
Greg
I have no idea if you're wrong, I'd just never heard that, thanks for clarifying.If you will it, dude, it is no dream. -
So, you've put your money where your mouth is and converted your own car(s), right? You're heavily invested in the leaders of this 'technology', right?
As soon as a practical and marketable solution exists, it will be embraced.
There's nothing wrong with oil, and we're sitting on perhaps the largest oil reserves in the world thatwe won't tap into it because of bull **** cloaked in environmental concerns. We need to start drilling here, now, while young inventors work on the transportation energy of the future.
Seeing as my car had over 100K on it...I have actually considered this an option. Even if there were more of a "practical and marketable" solution, it would be quickly squashed or bought by one of the oil companies (yes, this is a bit on the 'conspiracy theory' side of things, but possible). As far there being nothing wrong with oil, I think stats provided by the American Lung Association and American Heart Association (both very non-political groups) would beg to differ. Yes, I said it. pollution is bad for you. And yes, I will take the science over climate change any day over a corporate-funded study of the climate. -
Yeah, think what you want about climate change, but pollution from burning hydrocarbons is a real thing.... I think everyone would prefer to do without it if at all possible, no?If you will it, dude, it is no dream.
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bobman1235 wrote: »Yeah, think what you want about climate change, but pollution from burning hydrocarbons is a real thing.... I think everyone would prefer to do without it if at all possible, no?
I just think this fact too often gets overlooked in the climate-change vs. hoax debate. I also think some people do not realize how much pollution they inhale just sitting in traffic every day...not good. -
headrott wrote:Agreed. Fission is much less efficient compared to fusion. This is why the sun (stars) uses fusion rather than fission. Seems the designer knew what He was doing, huh?
It's much more complex than that. Extremely high energy is required for fusion vs relative small amounts of energy required to spit the atoms (fission). Fusion is definitely the safer alternative...as uncontrolled fission can result in meltdowns...unlike fusion which will simply stop. Theoretically, fission can be self sustaining...and fusion cannot. Fission creates more waste when the reactions are halted. There are pros and cons for each. The fact that fission does not occur in nature doesn't mean it isn't a viable alternative."Just because youre offended doesnt mean youre right." - Ricky Gervais
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Seeing as my car had over 100K on it...I have actually considered this an option. Even if there were more of a "practical and marketable" solution, it would be quickly squashed or bought by one of the oil companies (yes, this is a bit on the 'conspiracy theory' side of things, but possible). As far there being nothing wrong with oil, I think stats provided by the American Lung Association and American Heart Association (both very non-political groups) would beg to differ. Yes, I said it. pollution is bad for you. And yes, I will take the science over climate change any day over a corporate-funded study of the climate.
So you haven't, as I figured.
Your conspiracy makes little sense for a number of reasons. If we're so hard up for new energy sources, the evil oil companies will need a new energy source to sell. There's nothing wrong with them buying new technologies and perfecting them as they stand to gain by doing so. Of course, in order for there to be a buyer there needs to be a seller.
Why haven't they squashed what you said is the future, cooking oil? Because it would be impossible?
I wonder how many fossil fuel burning cars are in the parking lots of the ALA and AHA all over the country. What, more hypocrites? I noticed you didn't post any stats which should cause the general public to flee from oil in a frenzied panic to their nearest bicycle shop.
