LSi9s or LSi25s?

JimAckley
JimAckley Posts: 1,138
edited February 2011 in Speakers
I've been researching this somewhat, and can't find a real solid answer.

Since I'm designing an new LFE system right now, I wanted to ask you guys' opinion on a simple matter: Keep the 25s, or switch to 9s?

With my new LFE project in the design stage right now, my pre already picked out, and still choosing my main amplifier, I was wondering if the 25s were even really necessary for my HT, or if I would gain/suffer much by switching to some LSi9s as my front L/R. I just figured I wouldn't need a pair of 10s for a channel that's going to get crossed over anyway.

Your thoughts?

And for f*** sake, do not bicker at eachother, tell me to go buy another brand, suggest different cables, wall treatments, outlets, flux capacitors, photon cannons, or anything off topic. Just give me a simple freakin answer. I'm tired of the nonstop bashing and A.D.D. that's become the norm in this forum. Stay focused, and don't be an assclown.
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  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited February 2011
    Since you already have the 25's and it's for HT I would keep them. Focus on a bad **** sub to handle the low end and you'll have yourself a good HT setup.
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  • JimAckley
    JimAckley Posts: 1,138
    edited February 2011
    Well I was kinda thinking about moving the 25s into a 2-ch system where their subwoofers will be utilized, and putting 9s in the HT. And believe you me, a badass sub is on the way... one Crown I-Tech 4000, one TC Sounds LMS Ultra 5400, two TC Sounds VMP 18" Passive Radiators, one custom enclosure... Should go over pretty well. Should go over even better with the HOA :biggrin:
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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited February 2011
    Since you are getting a badass sub, move the Lsi25 to 2 channel and use the 9s with subs for the HT.

    Coz if you are going to use LSi9 in 2 channel, you will need sub(s) for the lows.

    LSi25 has subs that has enough bass for 2 channel.
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  • McLoki
    McLoki Posts: 5,231
    edited February 2011
    You may actually like the 9's better for your 2 channel system. (give them a try compared to the 25's and let us know what you think.)

    That being said - a photon cannon would just be the awesome.....

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  • cheddar
    cheddar Posts: 2,390
    edited February 2011
    The thing is, you seem to be someone who likes to tweak his system and customize it to get the best audio quality. And the 25s, for better or worse, have those powered subs that you either like or not and you seem to be moving far beyond them with your sub upgrade, making them redundant at best.

    The 9s give you the option to find a good sub for both HT and 2-channel. And since you like to customize with your own subs, seems like the 9s would be the best solution for you in both spaces. So either use the 9s in the space where tweaking and audio quality matters to you the most or sell the 25s and go with two pairs of 9s if LSis are your prefered line.
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  • Monster Jam
    Monster Jam Posts: 919
    edited February 2011
    WTF is an assclown?
    Do you hear that buzzing noise? :confused:
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  • stillen
    stillen Posts: 43
    edited February 2011
    SVS has a new 12 inch sub coming out in a couple of months.
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited February 2011
    Keep the Lsi25's.
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  • blueboxer
    blueboxer Posts: 621
    edited February 2011
    I voted LSi9's so you can more readily sale me your 25's cheap. I haven't experienced many monitor/bookshelf setups, I always factored in the cost of nice stands and usually that gets them a lot closer to the tower pricing. I figure the 25's might be more versatile in a HT/stereo rig and you can always just dial down the bass and get the crossover just right with your separate sub later.
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  • JimAckley
    JimAckley Posts: 1,138
    edited February 2011
    And for f*** sake, do not bicker at eachother, tell me to go buy another brand, suggest different cables, wall treatments, outlets, flux capacitors, photon cannons, or anything off topic. Just give me a simple freakin answer.
    stillen wrote: »
    SVS has a new 12 inch sub coming out in a couple of months.

    It's simply baffles me that it still happens. Loki gets a hall-pass because it was actually kinda funny :smile:

    Monster, look it up in Urban Dictionary. My work computers block that website so I can't quote it in here.

    Danz, keep them in the HT? If you don't mind me prying, why? When I had my PSW1000 alone on LFE duty, the 10s in the LSi25s never really did anything. Now that I added them to the LFE channel, they actually do something. That's kinda my premise for switching them into a 2-ch setup since my new sub will have LFE handled and then some... and then some more.
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  • lumpy
    lumpy Posts: 113
    edited February 2011
    I had a similar issue about a year ago, except that I alread owned both the 25's and the 9's and was thinking about gettin rid of one pair, and I could not decide. I finally ended up using both as fronts and switching between the two depending on what I was listening to.

    I find that the 9's get the nod for action movies, heavy metal, and LP's. (the subs on the 25's are used with the 9's except for pure direct mode). I feel that anything recorded prior to 1970 sounds better in stereo / pure direct - on the 9's as well. The 25's are used for everything else.
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  • jbooker82
    jbooker82 Posts: 1,627
    edited February 2011
    Monster Jam wrote: »
    WTF is an assclown?

    Just trying to keep people informed and up todate.

    assclown-3347.jpg

    Definition #1

    **** clown (?s kloun) n.:

    one, who, through the fault of his parents conception, is a skid mark in society's collective underwear.
    Phat Pat is **** CLOWN.


    Definition #2

    **** clown (?s kloun)

    1. One whose stupidity and/or ineptitude exceeds the descriptive potential of both the terms **** and clown in isolation, and in so doing demands to be referred to as the conjugate of the two.
    1. Steve is such an **** clown!
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  • JimAckley
    JimAckley Posts: 1,138
    edited February 2011
    My favorite, which applies often, is this:

    Assclown:
    A person who is laughable and detestable at the same time. Usually pretends to be a know-it-all, often enhancing their stories, knowledge, experience, and every thing in between with pure bull****.
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited February 2011
    Just tied up your poll with my vote for the 9's... so much for a CP mandate... :tongue:

    IMO multiple deep bass sources in a rig create more problems than benefits, so once whatever good sub is added to the mix, the 25's can no longer be fully utilized. Plus it would seem you like them for 2-ch so...

    EDIT: Like your thread guidelines...
    More later,
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  • rooftop59
    rooftop59 Posts: 8,121
    edited February 2011
    broke the tie...vote for the 9's but have to admit that i have never heard the 25s. I love my 7s, feel like the 25s might be overkill, and I have heard that the amps in the 25s can be problematic. Seems like yours are doing fine however, so just my 2 cents...
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  • suprafantx
    suprafantx Posts: 249
    edited February 2011
    If you know how to set up a system with multiple subs, keep the 25s. Otherwise, go with the 9s. I still prefer 25s to 9s.
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  • JimAckley
    JimAckley Posts: 1,138
    edited February 2011
    Interesting points from a lot of you guys. I wanted to clear a few things up, just to make sure we're all on the same page. Also, let's just take cost out of the equation. I'll save up whatever I need to save up to get this done right the first time around.

    My left/right channels are going to be crossed at 80 Hz, which includes the 10" woofers. I don't intend on attempting to blend them with my LFE mix because what I'm building would probably take 10 pairs of LSi25 subwoofers to match. So, for 80 Hz and up, is there any benefit to leaving them in the system? Am I going to lose anything by swapping in the 9s?

    I know a few people have mentioned LSi7s since I became pretty active over the past few months. I have some 7s and they are amazing. I absolutely LOVE their sound quality, but am figuring that the extra midbass driver in the 9s would be more beneficial in this scenario, but perhaps I'm wrong. I'm going to do some researching on that subject tonight while I'm at work. I guess I just suppose that matching my system up with what will essentially be three 18" subwoofers (one active, two PRs) would be best done with LSi9s, LSi15s, or LSi25s than LSi7s.

    Keep feeding me your thoughts and experiences. This is good stuff guys. And thank you x1000000 for staying on topic (except for the SVS guy).
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,596
    edited February 2011
    JimAckley wrote: »
    My left/right channels are going to be crossed at 80 Hz, which includes the 10" woofers. I don't intend on attempting to blend them with my LFE mix because what I'm building would probably take 10 pairs of LSi25 subwoofers to match. So, for 80 Hz and up, is there any benefit to leaving them in the system? Am I going to lose anything by swapping in the 9s?

    I would assume no since your basically removing what the subs in the 25 are good for....
    JimAckley wrote: »
    I know a few people have mentioned LSi7s since I became pretty active over the past few months. I have some 7s and they are amazing. I absolutely LOVE their sound quality, but am figuring that the extra midbass driver in the 9s would be more beneficial in this scenario, but perhaps I'm wrong.

    Since you own them, why not try them as fronts in the equasion first before purchasing the 9's (or just use them until you can afford to get the 9's)
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  • JimAckley
    JimAckley Posts: 1,138
    edited February 2011
    EndersShadow wrote: »
    Since you own them, why not try them as fronts in the equasion first before purchasing the 9's (or just use them until you can afford to get the 9's)

    Good idea. I'll probably wait until I have my LFE project done to make that move. There's not much sense in me doing it now when there's still an unresolved variable. I was kinda planning on using them as a rear surround though, since they're desided. Either way, I intend on experimenting with various setups 'til I find what sounds best
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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,596
    edited February 2011
    JimAckley wrote: »
    Good idea. I'll probably wait until I have my LFE project done to make that move. There's not much sense in me doing it now when there's still an unresolved variable. I was kinda planning on using them as a rear surround though, since they're desided. Either way, I intend on experimenting with various setups 'til I find what sounds best

    There are a bunch of Polkie forum members in your area. Once you get everything setup perhaps invite one over who has a set of 9's to do a A&B demo.....

    that way you find out without the up front costs.....
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  • JimAckley
    JimAckley Posts: 1,138
    edited February 2011
    I hadn't thought of that yet. When we do our meet in April, I'll have to see if someone can bring some along. By then I should at least have a new, better AVR.
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  • Tour2ma
    Tour2ma Posts: 10,177
    edited February 2011
    JimAckley wrote: »
    My left/right channels are going to be crossed at 80 Hz, which includes the 10" woofers. I don't intend on attempting to blend them with my LFE mix because what I'm building would probably take 10 pairs of LSi25 subwoofers to match. So, for 80 Hz and up, is there any benefit to leaving them in the system? Am I going to lose anything by swapping in the 9s?
    Crossed at 80 Hz you've pretty much reduced the 25's to 9's... or 7's for that matter.

    As suggested, trying the 7's you already have is a no-brainer. Your 25's should make decent speaker stands... :wink:
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  • bdtae5656
    bdtae5656 Posts: 235
    edited February 2011
    While we're on the subject of crossovers...what should the 25's be set at?

    I love my 25's, but im not getting very much out of the woofer's
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  • JimAckley
    JimAckley Posts: 1,138
    edited February 2011
    bdtae5656 wrote: »
    While we're on the subject of crossovers...what should the 25's be set at?

    I love my 25's, but im not getting very much out of the woofer's

    I have mine crossed at 80 Hz via my HTR and get a good amount of thump from them. I actually thought I had left my PSW on last night while gaming, but it was just the 25s. My psw1000 and 25s receive the same signal, but I use the line ins/outs on the 1k and LFE ins on the 25s. That gives me full coverage regardless of where the xover is in my HTR, and extra rumble down low
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  • bdtae5656
    bdtae5656 Posts: 235
    edited February 2011
    I have no idea how i have mine hooked up...Im going to have to check it out. But do know that my crossover is set at 80 Hz as well
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  • bdtae5656
    bdtae5656 Posts: 235
    edited February 2011
    What do you have your Pre set for your sub?
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  • JimAckley
    JimAckley Posts: 1,138
    edited February 2011
    Tour2ma wrote: »
    Crossed at 80 Hz you've pretty much reduced the 25's to 9's... or 7's for that matter.

    As suggested, trying the 7's you already have is a no-brainer. Your 25's should make decent speaker stands... :wink:

    Tonight I'm going to swap the 25s and 7s and do some listening.

    On a side note, I have fillable stands. Would they be best filled with lead shot, sand, or both?
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