Old stuff
Jstas
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I watched this video:
<iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/20017992" width="400" height="300" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href="https://player.vimeo.com/video/20017992 Old Ford</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/unrendered">Ben Pender-Cudlip</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>
It's about old cars and the motivation behind having one. There kinda isn't one beyond "I like it."
Makes you think, what's the motivation behind owning and/or holding on to anything old? There's a huge market out there for "vintage" stuff. Hell, there's a whole show about it, "American Pickers".
We see it every day here when someone picks up something old like an old McIntosh amp or a pair of SDA 2B's or an old tube amp.
Why do people have it? Why do they search it out and buy it? It's not necessarily better. Most times it's worse than what is available now just because of the ravages of time, alone.
It's hard to put in to words the reasoning behind it. "I like it." sums it up pretty well because for different reasons, different people "Like it."
Personally, I think old stuff is cool. Cars, electronics, tools, houses, hell, even old stoves are neat! I don't even have to own it to appreciate it. I just like getting a good look at it. You get to see how far things have come but also how much they've stayed the same. Stoves are a perfect example. Look at a modern, basic stove. It looks all slick and shiny but when you dig down to the guts of it, aside from piezoelectric ignitions to get rid of a rather dangerous and wasteful pilot light, stoves haven't changed in their fundamental operation since the first gas burner came along. There's newer technologies like inductive cooking surfaces but gas and electric stoves are still similar to their ancestors.
I even have a console stereo that has some sentimental value to me. But I'm holding on to it and plan to get it refurbished to proper working order again not for that nostalgia but rather because I think it's cool. They don't really make anything like that anymore. It's from a different time. One day, it'll be useless because over the air programming will have changed in format and broadcasting medium to the point that it's 1950's tuner doesn't work anymore. The turntable will eventually be a thing of the past as well. But for now, it's still viable and I think that's the coolest part. I can still listen to the Phillies broadcast on it like I used to do, 25 years ago, with my grandfather. This thing is 25 years older than I am and it's still viable today. It's like owning history. Some of that history is personal and hopefully I will be fortunate enough to be able to hold on to it until I die.
So when I say "I like it." those three words say so little but at the same time they say so much more. They also are indicative of a mentality. The guy in the video calls his Galaxie 500 with a 427ci FE engine under the hood, a sought after piece, "some old Ford." Why do he dismiss it if he enjoys it so much? I can tell you why. People give him crap for it. "Why do you still drive that old hunk of junk? Why don't you get rid of it and get something new?" He's probably tired of hearing it so he doesn't share it with anyone. Either that or he's tired of hearing over-zealous people ramble on about how they had something similar and it was so great that they are remembering better than it was.
That's a shame. Mainly because it shows a severe lack of respect for the history behind it. The car was a moonshiner car. That alone carries a massive amount of historical value. At the same time though, those who dismiss this guy's car as junk are, in a way, telling him that a major part of his life is a waste of time and not worth the consideration and basic respect of just allowing it to exist. What so many believe is such an innocuous idea or comment is so severely dismissive that it makes people who enjoy it and know about it completely reluctant to sharing what they find so interesting about it.
At the same time, those who remember big and then talk even bigger aren't necessarily intentionally lying but probably just as disrespectful of the object and it's owner. Telling tall tales to someone who has taken the time to know the true history and has a passion for it is dismissive of that passion and shows a lack of respect for the wisdom contained in that person's head. It's entirely frustrating when someone who owns, say a Galaxie 500 has to endure some mental child ramble on and on about their dad's friend's brother's father-in-law having some Galaxie 700, 'cause you know, he special ordered it and it ran on JET FUEL! It did 6 million miles an hour in the 1/4 mile and he wasn't allowed to drive out of the driveway 'cause the cops knew he was too fast to catch and... Yeah, I feel the pain.
Yeah, old stuff is old. It may be out-dated, run down and beat up but even though it's long past it's prime and well past it's purposes that doesn't make it irrelevant. Alot of people are very dismissive of old stuff. I think though, that if they gave it a chance, they might see how cool that old stuff really is.
I got old stuff. Some of it's older than me by decades. But, you know what? I like it.
Got anything you like?
<iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/20017992" width="400" height="300" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href="https://player.vimeo.com/video/20017992 Old Ford</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/unrendered">Ben Pender-Cudlip</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>
It's about old cars and the motivation behind having one. There kinda isn't one beyond "I like it."
Makes you think, what's the motivation behind owning and/or holding on to anything old? There's a huge market out there for "vintage" stuff. Hell, there's a whole show about it, "American Pickers".
We see it every day here when someone picks up something old like an old McIntosh amp or a pair of SDA 2B's or an old tube amp.
Why do people have it? Why do they search it out and buy it? It's not necessarily better. Most times it's worse than what is available now just because of the ravages of time, alone.
It's hard to put in to words the reasoning behind it. "I like it." sums it up pretty well because for different reasons, different people "Like it."
Personally, I think old stuff is cool. Cars, electronics, tools, houses, hell, even old stoves are neat! I don't even have to own it to appreciate it. I just like getting a good look at it. You get to see how far things have come but also how much they've stayed the same. Stoves are a perfect example. Look at a modern, basic stove. It looks all slick and shiny but when you dig down to the guts of it, aside from piezoelectric ignitions to get rid of a rather dangerous and wasteful pilot light, stoves haven't changed in their fundamental operation since the first gas burner came along. There's newer technologies like inductive cooking surfaces but gas and electric stoves are still similar to their ancestors.
I even have a console stereo that has some sentimental value to me. But I'm holding on to it and plan to get it refurbished to proper working order again not for that nostalgia but rather because I think it's cool. They don't really make anything like that anymore. It's from a different time. One day, it'll be useless because over the air programming will have changed in format and broadcasting medium to the point that it's 1950's tuner doesn't work anymore. The turntable will eventually be a thing of the past as well. But for now, it's still viable and I think that's the coolest part. I can still listen to the Phillies broadcast on it like I used to do, 25 years ago, with my grandfather. This thing is 25 years older than I am and it's still viable today. It's like owning history. Some of that history is personal and hopefully I will be fortunate enough to be able to hold on to it until I die.
So when I say "I like it." those three words say so little but at the same time they say so much more. They also are indicative of a mentality. The guy in the video calls his Galaxie 500 with a 427ci FE engine under the hood, a sought after piece, "some old Ford." Why do he dismiss it if he enjoys it so much? I can tell you why. People give him crap for it. "Why do you still drive that old hunk of junk? Why don't you get rid of it and get something new?" He's probably tired of hearing it so he doesn't share it with anyone. Either that or he's tired of hearing over-zealous people ramble on about how they had something similar and it was so great that they are remembering better than it was.
That's a shame. Mainly because it shows a severe lack of respect for the history behind it. The car was a moonshiner car. That alone carries a massive amount of historical value. At the same time though, those who dismiss this guy's car as junk are, in a way, telling him that a major part of his life is a waste of time and not worth the consideration and basic respect of just allowing it to exist. What so many believe is such an innocuous idea or comment is so severely dismissive that it makes people who enjoy it and know about it completely reluctant to sharing what they find so interesting about it.
At the same time, those who remember big and then talk even bigger aren't necessarily intentionally lying but probably just as disrespectful of the object and it's owner. Telling tall tales to someone who has taken the time to know the true history and has a passion for it is dismissive of that passion and shows a lack of respect for the wisdom contained in that person's head. It's entirely frustrating when someone who owns, say a Galaxie 500 has to endure some mental child ramble on and on about their dad's friend's brother's father-in-law having some Galaxie 700, 'cause you know, he special ordered it and it ran on JET FUEL! It did 6 million miles an hour in the 1/4 mile and he wasn't allowed to drive out of the driveway 'cause the cops knew he was too fast to catch and... Yeah, I feel the pain.
Yeah, old stuff is old. It may be out-dated, run down and beat up but even though it's long past it's prime and well past it's purposes that doesn't make it irrelevant. Alot of people are very dismissive of old stuff. I think though, that if they gave it a chance, they might see how cool that old stuff really is.
I got old stuff. Some of it's older than me by decades. But, you know what? I like it.
Got anything you like?
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You're just jealous 'cause the voices don't talk to you!
You're just jealous 'cause the voices don't talk to you!
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I was going to jump in and say how awesome that video was, how the car looked really cool in its naturally worn, yet in-tact state like that, and how the exhaust note and the whole video really captures the essence of old things, particularly muscle cars.
But, I'd hate for you to think I was sucking up to you and kissing your butt. So no, I hate old things. And that was a terrible video.
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Being the ranch girl she is, Bev is wanting a 40's era pickup something fierce. I'm trying to get my learn on (I know nothing about classic cars and their worth) so I can maybe surprise her one day.Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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audiobliss wrote: »I was going to jump in and say how awesome that video was, how the car looked really cool in its naturally worn, yet in-tact state like that, and how the exhaust note and the whole video really captures the essence of old things, particularly muscle cars.
But, I'd hate for you to think I was sucking up to you and kissing your butt. So no, I hate old things. And that was a terrible video.
Gonna cry now?Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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That summed up my "born in the wrong era" backwardness very well, and is also one of the most well thought out things that I have read on the interweb in quite some time. Thanks.
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I love old cars and trucks!! That's why I have my 79 F150 which I would never trade for any other vehicle, it's my favorite vehicle of all time. Eventually I would also like to have an old Ford pickup form maybe the 40s or 50s unrestored:biggrin:I love animals, they're delicious!
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Being the ranch girl she is, Bev is wanting a 40's era pickup something fierce. I'm trying to get my learn on (I know nothing about classic cars and their worth) so I can maybe surprise her one day.
Hemmings Motor News. Classifieds and everything. Tell you everything you want to know about how to buy, where to buy, where to get more info, where to get parts and even how to insure it. Invaluable resource.
http://www.hemmings.com/
They have a price guide as well:
http://www.hemmings.com/priceguide/
Research what kinda truck you want and plug the pertinent info in to the guide search engine, It'll give you the lowest price paid, the highest price paid and the average. It's not necessarily comprehensive but it is fairly accurate and a good guide. They do track auction prices as well as private party sales through surveying. Hemmings is considered an authority in the collector and antique car world.Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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His last words said it all..."It's fun to have"
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My truck being lifted, I love pulling up next to some snobby person with their window down and watch them roll the window up as my truck's exhaust rumbles in their ear and that wonderful exhaust smell you only get with the old vehicles hit's their nose lol:biggrin: Oh how I love that smell
Not a very good video of it but it's my baby, and yes if anybody notices it doesn't have the axle wrap anymore.
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Great short film, for I guy that has a 58MGA and a 72 TR-6 this thread was fun to see.
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This fire sauce I'm enjoying with my tacos from Taco Bell isn't quite that stout, so at least not yet.Gonna cry now?
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heh. old stuff. who cares about old stuff?
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I bet that's a lot of fun to own, too! Looks very clean. Major props!greyford1979 wrote: »My truck being lifted, I love pulling up next to some snobby person with their window down and watch them roll the window up as my truck's exhaust rumbles in their ear and that wonderful exhaust smell you only get with the old vehicles hit's their nose lol:biggrin: Oh how I love that smell Not a very good video of it but it's my baby, and yes if anybody notices it doesn't have the axle wrap anymore.
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Quality is key here IMHO. The blending of form and function or the mix of the romantic and the classical.
The Ford Pinto had low quality because it looked like **** and could explode if hit from the back. Ugly with bad engineering.
The Golden Gate Bridge has high quality because it gets many people across the water and looks wonderful anytime.
It's beautiful and well engineered.
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audiobliss wrote: »I bet that's a lot of fun to own, too! Looks very clean. Major props!
Thanks! I absolutely love driving it, except for when I broke the rear axle 2 different times:frown: I have new cars as well, but new cars just don't have souls like the old cars did. I have it torn apart right now and can't wait to get it put back together.I love animals, they're delicious! -
i think he means stuff like...
im 26 years old, and i love this vintage stuff so much better than anything new. there are more of us around than you may think. i have converted plenty of friends into vintage addicts and they are beyond happy!
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Well hopefully you were at least having fun when you broke them! Do you take it off-roading, mainly drive through town? You're right, the vast majority of cars these days are just cars...no real character or identity.greyford1979 wrote: »Thanks! I absolutely love driving it, except for when I broke the rear axle 2 different times:frown: I have new cars as well, but new cars just don't have souls like the old cars did. I have it torn apart right now and can't wait to get it put back together.
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Yep, there's a lot of good things that can be said for good ol' American Iron.
And mhardy, I like the looks of that Kenwood integrated amp; kind of a good Pioneer-metal-face-with-Sansui-round-nobbyness vintage look. Luckily I know what I mean by that. :redface:Sal Palooza -
Yeah, that Kenwood KA-7100 was a dump find; it's an OK, but nice looking, piece of vintage hardware. My son used it for years; it's moved on to a new home.
I posted instead of my favorite round-nobbyness looking amp (which has actually been with me even longer than Mrs. H has...), 'cause you all are probably tired of seeing it...
sort of on-topic, there's one set of vintage wheels I'd (still) like to have. I miss this one, which was my first ve-hick-el...
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I think this is why the auto makers are building retro. The love for the old styling with many of the modern engine and suspension enhancements. I used to own a '69 Cougar. Man that car was fast.....in a straight line!! Don't go fast around corners though. I also owned a '67 Thunderbird that had all the interior styling of the classic birds but with the more muscle car looking exterior. It had a 429 engine and same thing, very quick in a straight line but watch out for those curves. I wish now I'd never sold either. Oh well, I still have my '89 IROC which is not the same but very fun to drive. But like the guy in the vid said a turbo Subaru could probably kick the IROC's ****.SDA-1C (full mods)
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audiobliss wrote: »Well hopefully you were at least having fun when you broke them! Do you take it off-roading, mainly drive through town? You're right, the vast majority of cars these days are just cars...no real character or identity.
Nope both time was just driving, nothing crazy:frown: First was the stock ford 9" and then a custom built 9" rated for a lot more horsepower, it was only 6 months old and they wouldn't cover it under the warranty:mad: I was shifting into third gear coming home from work and the differential basically exploded:eek: Cracked the carrier, snapped the pinion, and snapped off the carrier bearing caps. My theory was that they didn't torque the cap bolts correctly and within those 6 months they came loose. Now I have a beefed up Dana60. Not much offroading with it now that I put all the bodywork and such into it. But she's still a joy to drive:biggrin:I love animals, they're delicious!
