Paint Q

disneyjoe7

If I sprayed some Orange Peel on a repair wall, if this is Oil Based what should I do before I repaint it? Do I nned to prime it first? What Prime should I use Oil to Oil then Latex paint?

mrbiron

Ewww....Orange Peel.
Tear the wall down and start from scratch! :biggrin:

disneyjoe7

Replace with Lemon Peel?

decal

^^^^^^^^ or banana peel !!!!!!!!! ^^^^^^^^

drselect

The can I had which was oil base said you could prime with either a latex or oil. I went with the latex primer (kiltz) and than a latex top coat because I hate cleaning up after using oil based paints.

opus

Joe,

You can use an oil based primer like Zinser Coverstain or Zinser Oderleess then topcoat with your favorite latex. Or you can use a product like Zinser 123 latex primer and then topcoat with your favorite latex paint. Most big box stores carry Zinser products and alot of your mom and pop paint stores also carry them quite often.

halo71

phewww....thought you were gonna ask where to buy black paint. :eek::biggrin:

disneyjoe7

Crap, I thought I had some Kilz original primer the oil stuff around. I have an empty can to trash, but found some off brand latex primer. So I primed it with that, I hope I didn't screw up the walls. I did 3 areas now, every time I repaired a wall texture the paint never looks right again.

disneyjoe7

halo71 wrote: »

phewww....thought you were gonna ask where to buy black paint. :eek::biggrin:

Funny but I can't find where to buy Black paint.

opus

disneyjoe7 wrote: »

Crap, I thought I had some Kilz original primer the oil stuff around. I have an empty can to trash, but found some off brand latex primer. So I primed it with that, I hope I didn't screw up the walls. I did 3 areas now, every time I repaired a wall texture the paint never looks right again.

Joe, what doesn't look right?

disneyjoe7

Sheen.


Eggshell Behr

opus

usually a second coat or even a third coat of primer will seal up the surface and give you a uniform sheen. orange peel texture always takes extra material to seal up real good

disneyjoe7

Ok I hit it again.

treitz3

First off, I have yet to see any oil based orange peel texture. If you have found some, no wonder it doesn't match and I'd bet that you hate the cleanup. "If" you can clean it up. The professional way to apply orange peel is with a hopper. The base is mud mixed with water to whatever consistency is needed to match the original, using the proper tip and air pressure. No paint whatsoever is involved.

That said, the sheen [Eggshell] that you have chosen takes 3X the amount of mil thickness to achieve a constant sheen to begin with. Every time you add a layer, you change the sheen once again. However slight. The only way around this is to paint the entire wall from floor to ceiling and edge to edge, being careful not to touch the surrounding substrate. Eggshell is not like flat, semi, or oil an based paint. The color does not matter, though some are more tolerant than others.

The only way I have gotten a perfect match to where you could not tell that there ever was a patch on orange peel was to do an exact process [proprietary] of the preparation of the substrate, using the $2,200.00 hopper I have. I have tried many other ways to achieve the same goal and they have all failed. If you want it to match, you are going to have to call a professional, period. Even then, there is no guarantee that they posses the knowledge and experience to do it seamlessly.

opus

I read Joe's question to be more of an holdout problem and not a texture match problem, although I could be mistaken. I understood his question to mean that he was unsure of his paint type on the wall and was unhappy with the sheen differences due improperly sealed drywall mud (orange peel).

I agree that if it is a texture match problem he is screwed:biggrin:

disneyjoe7

Eggshell, is a Pain in my a$$ I agree. Can't touch it unless you're repainting the whole wall.

treitz3

opus wrote: »

I read Joe's question to be more of an holdout problem and not a texture match problem

Ah, reread his first post. It looks like I got a little sidetracked with the other posts on the thread.

If the orange peel was applied like normal, either a couple of coats of latex or a coat of oil based primer will do. Thing is, you have to paint the same number of coats [Eggshell] over the primed area only. You have to be careful around the edges and only use what's left over on the roller after it is exhausted. If you cake the edges, the overlap from the primed area to the existing substrate will end up leaving a "ghost image" of a different sheen.

Once you get the amount of layers equal again, paint the entire wall 2 to 3 times to get rid of the sheen and the (possible) color difference. I say this as an average. Lobster Red paint may take up to 2-5 dark primer coats, followed up by up to 7 coats. On the other hand, an extremely light tan color will take considerably less coats of both.

Eggshell is a painter's worst nightmare to a professional painter. Just to cover the warranty parameters takes a considerable jump in price and product used. Of the thousands of places I painted, I believe less than ten were Eggshell. There's a reason for that.

Oh, one more thing. I explicitly told the customer prior to starting the project that if ANYTHING Egshell needed touch-up.....and it wasn't caused by my company? First off, the sheen on the touch-ups won't match. Secondly, we weren't responsible for it. They would be responsible for any area that was completed and signed off by the owner. I made them sign the acknowledgment before I even started.

disneyjoe7

opus wrote: »

I read Joe's question to be more of an holdout problem and not a texture match problem, although I could be mistaken. I understood his question to mean that he was unsure of his paint type on the wall and was unhappy with the sheen differences due improperly sealed drywall mud (orange peel).

I agree that if it is a texture match problem he is screwed:biggrin:

Sorry for the confuse, Yes I can fixed a wall hole and do a very nice orange peel texture. My problem is the repaint sheen over it.


http://www.homaxproducts.com/products/texture/index.html

treitz3

Oh, one more thing. If you have an area that [after complete drying] appears as if it is flat right at the area of the new orange peel? You did not apply enough primer. Back to square 1 with everything in the paint process. Reason I say this, is you want to catch this early. No amount of coats will change this.

Well, eventually it may disappear but it will take so many coats that you wouldn't even be able to tell there ever was an orange peel to begin with.

treitz3

Allow me to clarify the last post of mine. Flat as in sheen. Not texture.

disneyjoe7

I hear you Tom, You don't like Orange Peel or Eggshell I'm screwed.

treitz3

No, I just don't like painting Eggshell. It's a pleasant sheen and depending on the quality of paint, it can be very durable. I have just tried suggesting other options that were close to Eggshell, just as durable and a lot less expensive if they wanted it done the right way. That, and a professional look now and for years to come.

As far as Orange peel goes? It is a lot cheaper for the builder to apply it because it omits a couple of steps of the build process. 3 to 4 or more steps, compared to a level 5 finish. On a 3,000 sq. ft. house, that can add up to a lot of saved labor. In some areas of the country, Eggshell is considered a decorative "upgrade". Nothing wrong with Orange peel, no matter where you live. Done right? It can look real nice.

disneyjoe7

Thanks I repainted the orange peel texture with primer paint and I happy.


Tom, I can say I agree Eggshell is a pain in ****, I love it but I hate it also. Many houses have Orange Peel walls, in fact I don't ever seen a house that didn't have it in Orlando Florida. Now flat walls are ok and many houses in New England have this, but since I have Eggshell walls I like them.

Background of me, I was an Alarm System Tech / Manager so I seen thousands of houses in New England and Florida.

opus

disneyjoe7 wrote: »

Thanks I repainted the orange peel texture with primer paint and I happy.


Tom, I can say I agree Eggshell is a pain in ****, I love it but I hate it also. Many houses have Orange Peel walls, in fact I don't ever seen a house that didn't have it in Orlando Florida. Now flat walls are ok and many houses in New England have this, but since I have Eggshell walls I like them.

Background of me, I was an Alarm System Tech / Manager so I seen thousands of houses in New England and Florida.

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