Real & Scary...

Demiurge

Dr. Spec

Not real. A good fake and certainly entertaining to look at, though.

On an unrelated subject, I saw you were miffed no one responded to your post about recommended music. I am guilty of this and what held me back was the lack of genre classification. Maybe some of the bands defy casual classification, but if you were to say they are all grunge rock or country, or jazz fusion, etc., I might be able to narrow it down and hunt down an artist that fits a genre I like.

Doc

brettw22

Not real.......therefore, not scary........

Demiurge

Hmmm, interesting. Heard it was actually real from a Brittish Special ops training mission in South Africa. Thanks for the clarification though Dr. Spec...only needed to be said once

Almost all of the bands I listed defy casual classification. Tell me what you're into and I'll steer you in the right direction.

Demiurge

faster100

Originally posted by brettw22
Not real.......therefore, not scary........

Ok enough of this!! listen to your drill sargent!!!


Lets just move on, I have.. ive turned over a new leaf.. although after turning it over i ran into a rattle snake.. But i can handle it

brettw22

Faster, hush........I couldn't care less about what Demi has bitched about in the past......

http://www.snopes.com/photos/shark.asp

Dr. Spec

Not rubbing your nose in it; this link is strictly FYI if you wanted to know more. I love reading about this kind of stuff. The fake is actually very high quality and it certainly is extremely popular and has had a great run on the internet.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/08/0815_020815_photooftheyear.html

Anyway, here is some stuff I've been wearing out lately (sorry for any spelling errors):

Chris Isaak Forever Blue
Indigo Girls Swampophelia, Become You
Donald Fagan Kamakiriad, Nightfly
Boston Boston
Shaun Mullins Soul's Core, Eggshells
Angie Aparo The American, Out Of Everywhere
Fleetwood Mac Rumours
Gladiator Soundtrack
Steely Dan Everything Must Go

I usually avoid grunge rock (my term, possibly inaccurate) but I really dig the soundtrack from Daredevil and will pick it up. That **** kicking hard driving style of music can be perfect for working out too.

Hope this helps give you at some insight into my listening tastes.

Doc

Demiurge

Justin's Thread


moving on...


Dr,

I know you're not man! The site I got it from seemed reputable and said it was real. I do, however, trust your word.

Anywho...

Try these albums:

The Decemberists - Castaways & Cutouts

Even if Jeff Mangum had never been born, Colin Meloy could certainly have been Jeff Mangum, and I guess some other wild-eyed kid from Montana would have had to be Colin Meloy. The Real Meloy, in this Trading Places-themed Twilight Zone, would fill in for Mangum's nasal warble and give the world the sweet gift of In the Aeroplane Over the Sea with his band Neutral Milk Hotel, while New Guy would front a band named, say, The Decemberists, who would shamelessly mine the sparkly folk-fuzz (sans-fuzz) of that most lauded of Elephant 6 bands. The Decemberists would be a tad poppier, and maybe a tad sweeter than their key influence, but fronted by a voice so close to Mangum's few could tell the difference. Some say this may even have already happened. Some say it's happening right now...

Such a mix-up is understandable; The Decemberists stick to the same kind of heavy acoustic folk-rock and freakish lyrical balladry that fueled their stylistic ancestors' rise to power. Fortunately, their music also possesses enough unique twists to distinguish it from simple mimicry. The most obvious is the band's often baroque instrumentation, which generally makes for more elaborate arrangements than that of Neutral Milk Hotel. Hammond organ and subtle theremin flesh out the mix, each adding an anachronistic spin on the otherwise quaint jangle of strings and guitars hearkening to some dusty, distant past. Even the melodic organ riffs can't fully shatter the old-time illusion of the music-- rather, they just slightly warp it, the better to compliment the absurd, rag-tag world at the center of this band's dreamy fictionalizations.

The Decemberists' is a land of ghosts and petticoats, "crooked French-Canadians" gut-shot while running gin, bed-wetters and gentlemen suitors, abandoned wastrels and pickpockets. It's also a realm of bizarre historical dreamscapes and snazzy wordplay. "And here I dreamt I was a soldier/ And I marched the streets of Burkenau.../ And just to lie with you/ There's nothing that I wouldn't do/ Save lay my rifle down," laments Meloy in the bittersweet hallucination of "Here I Dreamt I Was an Architect". Time and again, these unhappy tales and fantastic allegories ring out over this strangely soothing, rolling folk that seldom breaks from a dense, melancholy haze.

Only once does this album fully escape the hypnotic pull of its darkling bedtime stories; "July, July!" may be the album's only genuinely happy moment, decked out in lush harmonies and fly-away choruses that clip their wings just shy of soaring towards anything too grand. Better still, the band actually makes this singular elated moment stick by remaining relatively understated-- despite the temptation there had to have been to launch into a full-on celebration in the midst of such omnipresent malaise, the song is content to simply smile, permeating the surrounding bleakness with a subtle aura of peaceful contentment.

The constant sobriety of the rest of these tracks does wear thin now and then-- the inclusion of another similarly uplifting tune might have made the record somewhat more effective-- but the somber fables of Castaways and Cutouts remain compelling nonetheless. With the exception of a couple of tracks here, The Decemberists rarely put forth individually gripping songs. Yet, somehow, the result is a remarkable whole, an autonomous unit. From the opening cry of, "My name is Leslie Anne Levine/ My mother birthed me down a dry ravine," to the album's exhausting conclusion, the fever doesn't break. If Jeff Mangum really is on permanent vacation, we're going to need a successor. I've heard few bands as worthy of inheriting his twisted empire as The Decemberists.


Grandaddy - Sumday

Consider the defining conflict of our generation: flesh vs. hardware. It's been the central thematic tension of the 21st century thus far, and countless indie bands have exploited (some mercilessly) the discord generated by mixing organic and machine-made elements within their songs, building friction and malcontent through the juxtaposition. For a lot of bands, this means combining acoustic guitars, synthesizers and Brian Deck; for Grandaddy, man vs. machine is separate aesthetic principle entirely-- one that has far less to do with music than with the imminent fate of our universe.

On 2000's The Sophtware Slump, Grandaddy were radically pessimistic, a band droopingly resigned to humanity's relative uselessness in the face of gnashing, impeding technology; it was a stance that kicked open the gates for lots of OK Computer-aligning and gobs of millennial anxiety/robot nightmares. The idea of calculated perfection overtaking goofy human error is some awfully scary ****-- mostly because our potential futility is such a perfectly plausible concern. Consequently, The Sophtware Slump was a chillingly foreboding record, both intellectually and aurally frightening: it was peppered with moments of pure sonic brilliance ("He's Simple, He's Dumb, He's the Pilot") but ultimately burdened by its own dark, apocryphal apprehensions.

Demiurge

Three years later, Sumday glows. While it might feel oddly recognizable to some (please insert requisite Radiohead/Pavement/Sparklehorse reference here), Sumday's dim, protracted familiarity has far more to do with the band's sudden character shift than their occasionally questionable ingenuity. The d

faster100

Originally posted by brettw22
Faster, hush........I couldn't care less about what Demi has bitched about in the past......

Trying to keep the peace my man That's all

brettw22

No worries faster......seems that some just hold grudges a bit more than others.....;)

Frank Z

Originally posted by brettw22
No worries faster......seems that some just hold grudges a bit more than others.....;)

Hey...I resemble that remark!!;)

Demiurge

God, I have to comment. Is it your goal to get every thread I post on this forum into some kind of arguement? Read Justins thread and stop posting here. Anyone on the outside looking in can CLEARLY see that it's you 2 that are always trying to cause an arguement. Please LEAVE THE THREAD ALONE! I want to be able to interact with others on this forum. I also don't want them to think that they can't participate in my threads because there is always someone who wants to start a war.

brettw22

Frank, you lookin for a bit of online attention? Haven't seen much from ya in a while. Keep on comin, regardless of if your couches can be connected or not. lol

Demi,
Do you always read into everything? Perhaps you're wanting to make something that's not there. I thought that the link told the story behind the picture. I wasn't aware that was a war in the making.............

HBombToo

Originally posted by brettw22
No worries faster......seems that some just hold grudges a bit more than others.....;)

naaaaaa.... its all about entertainment.

HBomb

Demiurge

Originally posted by brettw22
Demi,
Do you always read into everything? Perhaps you're wanting to make something that's not there. I thought that the link told the story behind the picture. I wasn't aware that was a war in the making.............

Yes I do read into everything. Especially when you 2 are arguing about whether or not you should be posting like an **** on this thread and then saying 'some people hold grudges'.

It's more like...some people don't care and would appreciate it if a person can't refrain from being an **** maybe they shouldn't post.

tryrrthg

Originally posted by Dr. Spec
Anyway, here is some stuff I've been wearing out lately (sorry for any spelling errors):

Chris Isaak Forever Blue
Indigo Girls Swampophelia, Become You
Donald Fagan Kamakiriad, Nightfly
Boston Boston
Shaun Mullins Soul's Core, Eggshells
Angie Aparo The American, Out Of Everywhere
Fleetwood Mac Rumours
Gladiator Soundtrack
Steely Dan Everything Must Go

I usually avoid grunge rock (my term, possibly inaccurate) but I really dig the soundtrack from Daredevil and will pick it up. That **** kicking hard driving style of music can be perfect for working out too.

Hope this helps give you at some insight into my listening tastes.

Doc

Doc,

I'm not a big Indigo Girls fan but check out their live 1200 curfews disc. The song "Down by the River" has some CRAZY cool kick drums and bass lines in it. I used it as a demo on some Wilson Watt Puppies and they were thumping my chest pretty good. VERY cool demo! You'd have fun with the PB2+

Indigo Girls

I'd also LOVE to hear your bass impressions of Bela Fleck and the Fleck Tones. Victor Wooten plays a mean bass guitar and they have some thumping bass in most all of their songs. Most importantly their song "Flight of the Cosmic Hippo". They are a jazzy, jam band, mostly instrumental, worth a listen.

Take a listen if you get a chance. I could probably send some to you too if you're interested...

Demiurge

Victor Wooten is a great bassist. Not a band for everyone, but definitely one you should catch live if you can.

Frank Z

Brett
Sent you a PM.

tryrrthg

Originally posted by Demiurge
Victor Wooten is a great bassist. Not a band for everyone, but definitely one you should catch live if you can.

I love listening to Bela on my system. Great stuff, and well recorded. I'd love to catch them live, but I'd like to be more familier with their catalog first.

I noticed you listed the Fruit Bats on another thread. Good band also. I REALLY need to get high speed interent so I can check out more music before I buy!

Demiurge

Yes, Mouthfulls & Echolocation are great albums.

It's funny how this thread got into being a music discussion! Cool.

brettw22

Originally posted by Demiurge
Yes I do read into everything. Especially when you 2 are arguing about whether or not you should be posting like an **** on this thread and then saying 'some people hold grudges'.

I didn't look for an arguement here. Maybe I should have followed in Russ' footsteps and put a lil winkey in there, but why do I think that would have come off even worse to you?

Perhaps though, you're more in touch with your feminine side and have the ability to read people's minds. Lord knows from what we've seen lately that you definitely suffer from PMS. I suggest you run out and get a case of MAXIMUM FLOW pads.

VR3

Looks like a great PSP job.....IMO -- perfect work actually! Awesome!

Loud & Clear

Demiurge, I enjoyed reading about the various bands that you find to be good listening. However, it would be respectful of you to include the appropriate caveat to the reviews; for instance, and I wouldn't be offended if you chose to use this very one: "Of course, none of these bands would likely have ever formed, or would the musicians have ever picked up an instrument, had it not been for the groundbreaking and influential Nirvana release, "Nevermind." No biggie, but it wouldn't be a bad idea.

Take it easy,

Loud

Demiurge

Dude, Nirvana is one of the most overrated bands ever. I've yet to see you argue the actual point. I saw Nirvana live, it wasn't a memorable experience at all. Woopty do, a grunge band, decent? Yes...the reason I saw them. Great? Hardly. One of HUNDREDS in the Seattle scene doing the same thing, many years before Nirvana.

So please explain to me how Nirvana is the influence for the list of bands I have posted? I mean, seeing as how some of those bands and their members have been making music before Nirvana existed.

Bands deserve creedence when they do something good, but they are hardly the saviors of every musician in the biz. Saying such things is just unbridled ignorance of the music scene.

Dr. Spec

Demiurge:

Great recommendations, wow - a lot of work, thank you. Will try to track these down and expand my music horizons.

If you want to try, I have broadband cable and can accept a pretty big file. Try me at:

edsigmul@rochester.rr.com

and see what happens. Or you can mail it to me. Email me for my addy.

Tryrrthg:

Thanks for the Indigo Girls tip. They harmonize beautifully and are excellent musicians and I will be getting their older bigger hit stuff in time. Their stuff is typically very well recorded and sounds simply wonderful to boot.

I have (courtesy of Tour2ma) the Flight of The Cosmic Hippo. It sounds rich, deep, clean, natural, and loud on the PB2+! I cranked that up just about 3 weeks ago, ironically.

Doc

dcarlson

I saw Nirvana live, it wasn't a memorable experience at all.

I USED to say the same thing about Pearl Jam. The first time I saw them was in 1996, an uninspired effort to say the least. I just saw them again few weeks ago and it was insanely amazing. Different vibe, different venue, made for a great show. Maybe you saw Nirvana on a bad night? MTV Unplugged in New York is Killer. The Meat Puppet covers are amazing. But the Meat Puppet versions suck. IMO.

I love Nirvana. probably not in my top 5 but definetly in my 10 top bands. I think you're a little hard on what they did accomplish. Give em some credit. They brought the Seattle scene to the masses. Which is in itself great let alone the music.

Derick.

Demiurge

Oooh, I most definitely give them credit, and I know I'm surely not showing it here...but it bothers me when people credit single bands for the evolution of music. It's such a load of crap....you and I both know that....Just because you have a favorite band doesn't make them the gods of music. My main point here....

.....also...I'd rather give credit to the bands that didn't get slapped all over MTV and were just as influential as Nirvana.

Demiurge

Dr. Spec....


I can't seem to be able to send you these over email. I don't have an outlook account because Road Runner never set it up for me. All I have is AOL and I couldn't even send you one song. I tried.

Do you use a downloading program or anything? If not I can reccomend one to you that you'd be able to get these songs from.

It's called Soulseek.

www.slsk.org

I'd reccomend getting it. Once you do I can teach you how to use it.

Loud & Clear

Demiurge -- Your post implies that, for some odd reason, you believe that just because a band from the 60's or 70's created their music 20 or 30 years prior to Nirvana's inception, that this somehow voids the obvious and tremendous influence that Nirvana had on them. Am I getting you right, here?

Come on man, I'm just pulling your leg with the Nirvana stuff; I remember how fussy you got about them in that other thread and figured you'd know I was kidding. You must think that I'm one stupid effer if you think that I'm seriously asking you to give credit to Nirvana, for bands that played 30 years before Nirvana. I don't really think that the credit for 'Hot Rats,' released in 1969, belongs to Nirvana. ;>}