Who haves the Epik Legends ???
Okay, I have looked at a couple of posts here regarding the Epik legend subs. One here loves them and the other post did not though I believe it was mainly because of the lack of hookup options. Can anyone who haves this sub give me a update on it. How do you like it ? I have a Def tech supercube 1 and for the price it does not really out perform my Omni S10 by that much. It haves better output but I believe this sub's specs are over rated.(Especially going lower freq) Any posts regarding subs here or elseware always mentions Hsu,Rythmic,SVS and Epik. The Epic Legends are on a huge back order. Why? Are they that good for the price? I am looking at filling a 15x20 ft room with high ceilings. Would double Legends be better than what I have now? 
Please, need feedback on these Legends!
Setup:
MARANTZ SR7002 AVR/ Parasound HCA1500A Amp/ Rotel RCC-1055 Cd Player
Pioneer BD320 Blue Ray/ PNF Symphony Speaker Cables/ PNF Icon IC/DH Labs IC
Analysis Plus Sub Oval sub cable/ PS Audio xStream Power Cables/ Samsung 52 LCD
Mains Polk RTi12s/ Center Polk CSI5 / Surrounds Definitive Technology BP2X
Subs: Def Tech Supercube 1, Mirage Omni S 10s
Please, need feedback on these Legends!Setup:
MARANTZ SR7002 AVR/ Parasound HCA1500A Amp/ Rotel RCC-1055 Cd Player
Pioneer BD320 Blue Ray/ PNF Symphony Speaker Cables/ PNF Icon IC/DH Labs IC
Analysis Plus Sub Oval sub cable/ PS Audio xStream Power Cables/ Samsung 52 LCD
Mains Polk RTi12s/ Center Polk CSI5 / Surrounds Definitive Technology BP2X
Subs: Def Tech Supercube 1, Mirage Omni S 10s
HT System
Parasound Halo A51 Amp, Marantz AV 8003 Pre, Arcam FMJ CD36 cd player, Marantz 7007 BD/SACD player,Acoustic Zen Matrix IC's, Analysis Plus Crystal Copper Oval IC's, Acoustic Zen Satori speaker cables, B&W 703's Fronts, Center Martin Logan Motif hybrid, Surrounds DefTech BPX, 2 X DefTech Supercube Reference Subs, DSpeaker Antimode 8033 EQ.
Parasound Halo A51 Amp, Marantz AV 8003 Pre, Arcam FMJ CD36 cd player, Marantz 7007 BD/SACD player,Acoustic Zen Matrix IC's, Analysis Plus Crystal Copper Oval IC's, Acoustic Zen Satori speaker cables, B&W 703's Fronts, Center Martin Logan Motif hybrid, Surrounds DefTech BPX, 2 X DefTech Supercube Reference Subs, DSpeaker Antimode 8033 EQ.
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Well, after reading all of the posts on AVS(250 pages) regarding Epik subs I went ahead and called Epik and holy cow I got the owner Chad. Ordered the Legend since the empire is just a little to deep of a cabinet for me. Chad appears to be a great guy and was willing to talk about their subs and their competition. Said it was a two week waiting time so can't wait to pick it up when it comes in. Going to replace it with my Mirage Omni S10. Will be using this with the Def Tech supercube 1 and I will post a response once I have it and it is broken in and how it compares to the def tech and all of the other subs I have had(Polk,Velodyne,Mirage). Have just heard too many good things about Epic. American made,good owner and he will give me the discount if I want to buy a second one within one year.:biggrin:
http://www.epiksubwoofers.com/legend.htmlHT System
Parasound Halo A51 Amp, Marantz AV 8003 Pre, Arcam FMJ CD36 cd player, Marantz 7007 BD/SACD player,Acoustic Zen Matrix IC's, Analysis Plus Crystal Copper Oval IC's, Acoustic Zen Satori speaker cables, B&W 703's Fronts, Center Martin Logan Motif hybrid, Surrounds DefTech BPX, 2 X DefTech Supercube Reference Subs, DSpeaker Antimode 8033 EQ. -
Well, after reading all of the posts on AVS(250 pages) regarding Epik subs I went ahead and called Epik and holy cow I got the owner Chad. Ordered the Legend since the empire is just a little to deep of a cabinet for me. Chad appears to be a great guy and was willing to talk about their subs and their competition. Said it was a two week waiting time so can't wait to pick it up when it comes in. Going to replace it with my Mirage Omni S10. Will be using this with the Def Tech supercube 1 and I will post a response once I have it and it is broken in and how it compares to the def tech and all of the other subs I have had(Polk,Velodyne,Mirage). Have just heard too many good things about Epic. American made,good owner and he will give me the discount if I want to buy a second one within one year.:biggrin:
http://www.epiksubwoofers.com/legend.html
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Why not just sell the supercube 1 and get dual legends
Because I need to hear how the Legend sounds compared to my def tech sc1. If it is better then i will be selling the def tech and adding another Legend. I like the def tech but I believe it's specs are overated. They don't even list a rms power rating just a peak rating....whats with that? I do not believe they go anywhere as low frequency wise as their specs state. And I will not have any problem selling the def tech. What do you think Lee.....will the legend compare to the def tech?
BTW, did you ever end up selling your CSIA6 ?HT System
Parasound Halo A51 Amp, Marantz AV 8003 Pre, Arcam FMJ CD36 cd player, Marantz 7007 BD/SACD player,Acoustic Zen Matrix IC's, Analysis Plus Crystal Copper Oval IC's, Acoustic Zen Satori speaker cables, B&W 703's Fronts, Center Martin Logan Motif hybrid, Surrounds DefTech BPX, 2 X DefTech Supercube Reference Subs, DSpeaker Antimode 8033 EQ. -
Because I need to hear how the Legend sounds compared to my def tech sc1. If it is better then i will be selling the def tech and adding another Legend. I like the def tech but I believe it's specs are overated. They don't even list a rms power rating just a peak rating....whats with that? I do not believe they go anywhere as low frequency wise as their specs state. And I will not have any problem selling the def tech. What do you think Lee.....will the legend compare to the def tech?
BTW, did you ever end up selling your CSIA6 ?
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Because I need to hear how the Legend sounds compared to my def tech sc1. If it is better then i will be selling the def tech and adding another Legend. I like the def tech but I believe it's specs are overated. They don't even list a rms power rating just a peak rating....whats with that? I do not believe they go anywhere as low frequency wise as their specs state. And I will not have any problem selling the def tech. What do you think Lee.....will the legend compare to the def tech?
BTW, did you ever end up selling your CSIA6 ?
Yes, their specs are totally overrated. My Mythos ST speakers are listed down to 14hz, while it's more like 25hz. I can't complain because they sound outstanding and they're a big upgrade from what I had. -
I agree, I have some deftech surrounds and they sound great and I hear good things about those Mythos but I question their subs.The supercube rocks but it is overpriced in my opinion. But they are selling refurbed SC1's on ebay for $630 shipped which is tempting. But I gotta hear these Epiks after everything I've read online and them being local. If I like it I will go with another Legend or maybe a empire if I can find the room.HT System
Parasound Halo A51 Amp, Marantz AV 8003 Pre, Arcam FMJ CD36 cd player, Marantz 7007 BD/SACD player,Acoustic Zen Matrix IC's, Analysis Plus Crystal Copper Oval IC's, Acoustic Zen Satori speaker cables, B&W 703's Fronts, Center Martin Logan Motif hybrid, Surrounds DefTech BPX, 2 X DefTech Supercube Reference Subs, DSpeaker Antimode 8033 EQ. -
I agree, I have some deftech surrounds and they sound great and I hear good things about those Mythos but I question their subs.The supercube rocks but it is overpriced in my opinion. But they are selling refurbed SC1's on ebay for $630 shipped which is tempting. But I gotta hear these Epiks after everything I've read online and them being local. If I like it I will go with another Legend or maybe a empire if I can find the room.
I wanna hear that sc1. Never heard it in house. -
I wanna hear that sc1. Never heard it in house.
Well, if I do decide to sell you will be the first to know. The nice thing about the SC1 is that it is small enough to place it anywhere. It's powerful and does a good job....things rattle in the house. And I see these are in demand on CR and Ebay.That being said I need to find out about these Epiks and what they can do. I really enjoy the option of buying something of value and made here locally. If I do decide to sell I would sell them here for the same price Mike(SolidSquale) sold them to me for.
HT System
Parasound Halo A51 Amp, Marantz AV 8003 Pre, Arcam FMJ CD36 cd player, Marantz 7007 BD/SACD player,Acoustic Zen Matrix IC's, Analysis Plus Crystal Copper Oval IC's, Acoustic Zen Satori speaker cables, B&W 703's Fronts, Center Martin Logan Motif hybrid, Surrounds DefTech BPX, 2 X DefTech Supercube Reference Subs, DSpeaker Antimode 8033 EQ. -
The Sub looks impressive on the Website, two 12in drivers in one enclosure.
Dual Legends for $899 you can't beat that price. You can get 4 legends for
the price of one SVS Ultra-13.Linn AV5140 fronts
Linn AV5120 Center
Linn AV5140 Rears
M&K MX-70 Sub for Music
Odyssey Mono-Blocs
SVS Ultra-13 Gloss Black:D -
I've been sub shopping for damn near two months now. The Legend is on the short list. I just don't know if I have the placement for it, as it'll either go up front, or near the davenport and the wall, small room. I've been considering an Outlaw LFM-1 Plus. Downfiring with downfiring ports, supposed to be designed with help from HSU, and a nice amp. Legends have great reviews, and I've talked with Chad before, great guy. I know you'll enjoy.
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I've been sub shopping for damn near two months now. The Legend is on the short list. I just don't know if I have the placement for it, as it'll either go up front, or near the davenport and the wall, small room. I've been considering an Outlaw LFM-1 Plus. Downfiring with downfiring ports, supposed to be designed with help from HSU, and a nice amp. Legends have great reviews, and I've talked with Chad before, great guy. I know you'll enjoy.
The first question in the sub search is do you go with a ported sub or sealed. I right now have one of each and have had many ported subs before. I believe in my particular enviroment I am leaning towards sealed. The ported subs seem not as accurate in music than the sealed. In my room with wood floors and tall ceilings the sealed sub seems to play faster more accurate,less boomy. I believe it may take more power to get the same spl out of a sealed sub than a ported but I like the response of the sealed alot better. My room acoustics probably play a great deal in that. I would like to ask Chad (the owner of Epik) why he decided to market just sealed subs and discontinue his old popular line of ported subs such as the Conquest. That being said, I am sure he saw the future with trying to offer a smaller sub such as the legend to fit in our living areas and have WAF. I have heard nothing but rave reviews of the Epik empire and if I had the room I would have went that route and may still down the road. I also believe he will come out with a larger sealed sub with dual 18 inch drivers and that will be interesting. Epik has been out there and considering their price and quality they are no longer a secret among us as witnessed by their huge backorder for the legend.
HT System
Parasound Halo A51 Amp, Marantz AV 8003 Pre, Arcam FMJ CD36 cd player, Marantz 7007 BD/SACD player,Acoustic Zen Matrix IC's, Analysis Plus Crystal Copper Oval IC's, Acoustic Zen Satori speaker cables, B&W 703's Fronts, Center Martin Logan Motif hybrid, Surrounds DefTech BPX, 2 X DefTech Supercube Reference Subs, DSpeaker Antimode 8033 EQ. -
Because I need to hear how the Legend sounds compared to my def tech sc1. If it is better then i will be selling the def tech and adding another Legend. I like the def tech but I believe it's specs are overated. They don't even list a rms power rating just a peak rating....whats with that? I do not believe they go anywhere as low frequency wise as their specs state. And I will not have any problem selling the def tech. What do you think Lee.....will the legend compare to the def tech?
BTW, did you ever end up selling your CSIA6 ?The first question in the sub search is do you go with a ported sub or sealed. I right now have one of each and have had many ported subs before. I believe in my particular enviroment I am leaning towards sealed. The ported subs seem not as accurate in music than the sealed. In my room with wood floors and tall ceilings the sealed sub seems to play faster more accurate,less boomy. I believe it may take more power to get the same spl out of a sealed sub than a ported but I like the response of the sealed alot better. My room acoustics probably play a great deal in that. I would like to ask Chad (the owner of Epik) why he decided to market just sealed subs and discontinue his old popular line of ported subs such as the Conquest. That being said, I am sure he saw the future with trying to offer a smaller sub such as the legend to fit in our living areas and have WAF. I have heard nothing but rave reviews of the Epik empire and if I had the room I would have went that route and may still down the road. I also believe he will come out with a larger sealed sub with dual 18 inch drivers and that will be interesting. Epik has been out there and considering their price and quality they are no longer a secret among us as witnessed by their huge backorder for the legend.
I think Chad was going after more mid bass while still maintaining extension. My last ported Epik sub lacked mid bass IMO. -
That's part of it. He'd been playing with the dual 15" design from the very beginning though. The early Epik revs represented too many choices for a small company and alot of build time. I heard the Phoenix which was an outstanding 18" sub. It was effortless and could make the walls sweat, but I felt it was a tad slow and lacked midbass articulation. The Empire, OTOH, is very articulate, slams in the midbass and doesn't give up much down low. In the right room it extends as deep. Output is very similar to the Phoenix. The beauty of it for a nearly one man show like Epik, is that much easier to supply it. It's more compact than most of his early offerings and can offer delicate musical bass, as well as, massive output for HT. Large rooms can easily justify duals. The same thing goes for the Legend for smaller rooms. It has the same FR, just less output. Then there's the price. He sells alot of units at his current pricing levels. Stream lined supply chain, less labor, more sales equals a win vs. his previous model.
I think Chad was going after more mid bass while still maintaining extension. My last ported Epik sub lacked mid bass IMO.
Combo rig:
Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
SDA 1C, CS400i, SDA 2B
PB13Ultra RO
BW Silvers
Oppo BDP-83SE -
Ditto on the Mythos ST being more than sufficient. I had purchased a Def Tech Reference and never even opened it. The ST pair was more than I needed. Good luck with your new sub.
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I think Chad was going after more mid bass while still maintaining extension. My last ported Epik sub lacked mid bass IMO.
Yes, I agree he even stated to me about the better midbass of his sealed subs. Interesting, I did not realize that his ported subs lacked midbass since I never actually owned any of them.HT System
Parasound Halo A51 Amp, Marantz AV 8003 Pre, Arcam FMJ CD36 cd player, Marantz 7007 BD/SACD player,Acoustic Zen Matrix IC's, Analysis Plus Crystal Copper Oval IC's, Acoustic Zen Satori speaker cables, B&W 703's Fronts, Center Martin Logan Motif hybrid, Surrounds DefTech BPX, 2 X DefTech Supercube Reference Subs, DSpeaker Antimode 8033 EQ. -
Well, I went and picked up my Epik legend today. Chad the owner came out delivering it to my car. Imagine having the owner hand delivering it and getting to talk to him. Great guy and so far I am impressed with this sub. I have it in a corner about 3-4 inces from the side and back wall. I have only been able to play it for a couple hours tonight and am letting it break in. What I have noticed is the nice midbass this sub puts out. Looks and feels like it is quality made. When I had the music cranked I put my hand on the cabinet of the sub and felt absolutely no vibrations. It had me so worried even though I heard the bass I had to take the grills off and see/feel how much the drivers on each side were doing. Well,these drives were pumping,great excursion. Playing the beginning of Floyd's "welcome to the machine" I could feel my drywall vibrating along with all the pictures. And this Epik is playing very nice with my def tech SC1 ( Both sealed).I have also noticed with this sub new rattling noises from things hanging on my wall that I never had with numerous Polk,Velodyne and Mirage subs. There is going to be a breakin/adjustment time and I will post back. But so far I am very happy with this purchase. Thanks to Epic and Chad for what appears a great sub at a great price made in the U.S.. I would like to hear feedback from any Polkies that own this sub. HT System
Parasound Halo A51 Amp, Marantz AV 8003 Pre, Arcam FMJ CD36 cd player, Marantz 7007 BD/SACD player,Acoustic Zen Matrix IC's, Analysis Plus Crystal Copper Oval IC's, Acoustic Zen Satori speaker cables, B&W 703's Fronts, Center Martin Logan Motif hybrid, Surrounds DefTech BPX, 2 X DefTech Supercube Reference Subs, DSpeaker Antimode 8033 EQ. -
How does it compare to the supercube, and which one do you like better for music/HT?
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How does it compare to the supercube, and which one do you like better for music/HT?
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Too early to tell yet,have not had a chance to sit down and crank up the music. (Actually waiting till the house is empty).I use my system for music 75%. Have about 5 hours of music so far and I love the midbass this sub produces..Played some live Zeppelin at Earl's court and the legend reproduced some very nice bass from Jones bass guitar that I did not notice before. The sc1 though small is trying to hold up it's own to the legend. It appears that the sc1 is hitting a little lower than the legend but not much. I still have some positioning,adjusting and testing to do and the legend right now is in a corner while the sc1 is about 4ft from the opposite corner so the legend is probably benifiting from it's positioning and helping it get lower. Remember that we are comparing a sub that retails at $1200(sc1) to one that is currently sells for $499(legend) so I am not sure how fair a comparison that would be. Maybe it is my imagination but the legend is sounding better as time goes....:biggrin: Not that it was that bad at the beginning HT System
Parasound Halo A51 Amp, Marantz AV 8003 Pre, Arcam FMJ CD36 cd player, Marantz 7007 BD/SACD player,Acoustic Zen Matrix IC's, Analysis Plus Crystal Copper Oval IC's, Acoustic Zen Satori speaker cables, B&W 703's Fronts, Center Martin Logan Motif hybrid, Surrounds DefTech BPX, 2 X DefTech Supercube Reference Subs, DSpeaker Antimode 8033 EQ. -
Too early to tell yet,have not had a chance to sit down and crank up the music. (Actually waiting till the house is empty).I use my system for music 75%. Have about 5 hours of music so far and I love the midbass this sub produces..Played some live Zeppelin at Earl's court and the legend reproduced some very nice bass from Jones bass guitar that I did not notice before. The sc1 though small is trying to hold up it's own to the legend. It appears that the sc1 is hitting a little lower than the legend but not much. I still have some positioning,adjusting and testing to do and the legend right now is in a corner while the sc1 is about 4ft from the opposite corner so the legend is probably benifiting from it's positioning and helping it get lower. Remember that we are comparing a sub that retails at $1200(sc1) to one that is currently sells for $499(legend) so I am not sure how fair a comparison that would be. Maybe it is my imagination but the legend is sounding better as time goes....:biggrin: Not that it was that bad at the beginning
You got to remember that epik is an ID company where's Def Tech has a middle man. I think the sc1 would be more like a $600 sub without the middle man. -
That is awesome having the owner help you carry the subs out to your car.Receiver: ONKYO 709
Amplifier: Acurus A200x3
Front: EmpTek E55Ti
Center: EmpTek E56Ci
Surround: EmpTek E5Bi
Sub: Elemental Designs A5-350
TV: LG 55"
Blu-Ray: PS3 -
The FR of the legend is exactly the same as the Empire. In theory, with room gain, you should get below 20hz before significant rolloff. With ported subs, this is where the rumble turns to subsonics. With sealed subs, it's where the walls resonate and you start hearing those new rattles. I'd guess the Legend will have more output at 20hz than the SC...not a promise...just a guess.Too early to tell yet,have not had a chance to sit down and crank up the music. (Actually waiting till the house is empty).I use my system for music 75%. Have about 5 hours of music so far and I love the midbass this sub produces..Played some live Zeppelin at Earl's court and the legend reproduced some very nice bass from Jones bass guitar that I did not notice before. The sc1 though small is trying to hold up it's own to the legend. It appears that the sc1 is hitting a little lower than the legend but not much. I still have some positioning,adjusting and testing to do and the legend right now is in a corner while the sc1 is about 4ft from the opposite corner so the legend is probably benifiting from it's positioning and helping it get lower. Remember that we are comparing a sub that retails at $1200(sc1) to one that is currently sells for $499(legend) so I am not sure how fair a comparison that would be. Maybe it is my imagination but the legend is sounding better as time goes....:biggrin: Not that it was that bad at the beginning
Combo rig:
Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
SDA 1C, CS400i, SDA 2B
PB13Ultra RO
BW Silvers
Oppo BDP-83SE -
Ron Temple wrote: »The FR of the legend is exactly the same as the Empire. In theory, with room gain, you should get below 20hz before significant rolloff. With ported subs, this is where the rumble turns to subsonics. With sealed subs, it's where the walls resonate and you start hearing those new rattles. I'd guess the Legend will have more output at 20hz than the SC...not a promise...just a guess.
This is why I decided to change to sealed subs after having ported subs for so many years. The rumble from ported subs is okay for movies but I do not like it for music. I think it also haves to do with my room acoustics having hardwood floors though whearas before on carpet it had less rumble.The Mirages I sold,though good subs, had downfiring ports which would generate more rumble on hard floors. For whatever reason it is still freakin me out that the cabinet of this legend haves zero vibration. I would periodicly always do the hand on cabinet test to kinda of authenticate the bass output. Just old habits.HT System
Parasound Halo A51 Amp, Marantz AV 8003 Pre, Arcam FMJ CD36 cd player, Marantz 7007 BD/SACD player,Acoustic Zen Matrix IC's, Analysis Plus Crystal Copper Oval IC's, Acoustic Zen Satori speaker cables, B&W 703's Fronts, Center Martin Logan Motif hybrid, Surrounds DefTech BPX, 2 X DefTech Supercube Reference Subs, DSpeaker Antimode 8033 EQ. -
Any updates on the legends performance?
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Any updates on the legends performance?
Have been working alot lately. Just got a chance to sit down and listen to some Who and Dire Straights tonight. The Legend is performing really well with music and reproducing some very good mid bass . Strange thing is that in my listening position on my couch the bass from both my legend and sc1 is blending very well but when I walk to my kitchen which is the next room over where the legend is up against the wall between the two rooms I get some very boomy bass along the wall. It does not bother me since where I sit to listen to music it sounds great. I may have to play around with moving the legend out a little further from the side wall (it is about 5 inches away). I originally put it there to get lower bass extension. I also have not played with the phasing between the two subs they are both at 0. the legend just haves a switch to go between 0 or 180 where the sc1 haves a variable pot. So I will play with the phasing on the sc1. Have not played any movies with good bass yet. My conclusions so far is the legend performs very well with maybe 30-80 hz area and I love it so far for music.I can not imagine how the empire would sound. The supercube 1 seems to hit lower and louder but does not come close to reproducing alot of the bass guitar and certain organ music such as in deep purple and the doors. I know the sc1 is great for HT. Judgement is still out on the legend for ht. But I believe for the price I am very happy with how the legend has performed so far since most of my listening is for music. The velodyne,Mirage and various Polk subs that I have had in the past were all inferior to the Legend in my opinion. And they were all higher priced the legend seems to be very well built. I was skeptical with a sealed sub such as the legend having only 300w rms/750 peak for dual drivers design.I also was thinking about getting another legend to have matching subs but I like what the sc1 does on the lower end and what the legend does in the mid bass and they do blend together very well so I may keep this combination for awhile. Unless someone offers to trade me my sc1 for a empire.......that would be tempting 
HT System
Parasound Halo A51 Amp, Marantz AV 8003 Pre, Arcam FMJ CD36 cd player, Marantz 7007 BD/SACD player,Acoustic Zen Matrix IC's, Analysis Plus Crystal Copper Oval IC's, Acoustic Zen Satori speaker cables, B&W 703's Fronts, Center Martin Logan Motif hybrid, Surrounds DefTech BPX, 2 X DefTech Supercube Reference Subs, DSpeaker Antimode 8033 EQ. -
I have a Def tech HT setup and need to get my ears on either the sc1 or reference. What speakers are you running? Good to hear the mid bass is great. I had the epik sentinel and it lacked mid bass big time. Can't wait to see what they come up with next. For the price the legend is hard to beat, especially since it's on par with the sc1 and half the price.
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I have a Def tech HT setup and need to get my ears on either the sc1 or reference. What speakers are you running? Good to hear the mid bass is great. I had the epik sentinel and it lacked mid bass big time. Can't wait to see what they come up with next. For the price the legend is hard to beat, especially since it's on par with the sc1 and half the price.
Hmmm... how big of a room were you running the Sentinels in. I guess 12" drivers can only do so much? I have a Phoenix and it's not lacking in midbass at all.
To the OP, it's great that you like your legend. I've only been hearing great things about them. Those dual sealed woofs are tough to compete with. Sooner or later you're gonna be itching for dual Empires. I can just see the thread title :biggrin:. Oh by the way, pics are in order!2Ch Tube Audio Convert -
I have a Def tech HT setup and need to get my ears on either the sc1 or reference. What speakers are you running? Good to hear the mid bass is great. I had the epik sentinel and it lacked mid bass big time. Can't wait to see what they come up with next. For the price the legend is hard to beat, especially since it's on par with the sc1 and half the price.
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Setup:
MARANTZ SR7002 AVR
Parasound HCA1500A Amp
Rotel RCC-1055 Cd Player
Pioneer BD320 Blue Ray
PNF Symphony Speaker Cables
PNF Icon IC/DH Labs IC
Analysis Plus Oval Sub cables
PS Audio xStream Power Cables
Samsung 52inch LCD
Mains Polk RTi12s
Center Polk CSi5
Surrounds Definitive Technology BP2X
Subs: Def Tech Supercube 1, Epik LegendHT System
Parasound Halo A51 Amp, Marantz AV 8003 Pre, Arcam FMJ CD36 cd player, Marantz 7007 BD/SACD player,Acoustic Zen Matrix IC's, Analysis Plus Crystal Copper Oval IC's, Acoustic Zen Satori speaker cables, B&W 703's Fronts, Center Martin Logan Motif hybrid, Surrounds DefTech BPX, 2 X DefTech Supercube Reference Subs, DSpeaker Antimode 8033 EQ. -
Hmmm... how big of a room were you running the Sentinels in. I guess 12" drivers can only do so much? I have a Phoenix and it's not lacking in midbass at all.
To the OP, it's great that you like your legend. I've only been hearing great things about them. Those dual sealed woofs are tough to compete with. Sooner or later you're gonna be itching for dual Empires. I can just see the thread title :biggrin:. Oh by the way, pics are in order!
That is my worry. All those pages I read on AVS regarding these great Epik subs and the only bad thing from Legend owners is talk about some of them considering going to the Empire's. I believe if I did not have the def tech I would have considered the empire. But because of it's size and cost not at this time. I will try to post pictures tonight.HT System
Parasound Halo A51 Amp, Marantz AV 8003 Pre, Arcam FMJ CD36 cd player, Marantz 7007 BD/SACD player,Acoustic Zen Matrix IC's, Analysis Plus Crystal Copper Oval IC's, Acoustic Zen Satori speaker cables, B&W 703's Fronts, Center Martin Logan Motif hybrid, Surrounds DefTech BPX, 2 X DefTech Supercube Reference Subs, DSpeaker Antimode 8033 EQ. -
I have a Phoenix and it's not lacking in midbass at all. To the OP, it's great that you like your legend. I've only been hearing great things about them. Those dual sealed woofs are tough to compete with. Sooner or later you're gonna be itching for dual Empires. I can just see the thread title :biggrin:. Oh by the way, pics are in order!
I found a local guy a couple of years ago that let me listen to his Phoenix. I was impressed with it's effortless power. Unfortunately, it was nearfield, behind the couch and sounded slightly out of phase with his mains. So I think I got a bad impression. Not to say, it didn't sound great, just slower than I'm used to and definitely lacking in the midbass compared to my Ultra13. I've read comments about those that complained about the Sentinels and a few about the Dynasty, but most everyone raved about the midbass for the Phoenix and Dragon. Whatever, I'm glad it works for you...every room is different anyway. All that said, the Empire is in response to everyone that thought earlier revs lacked somewhere. It doesn't.
Combo rig:
Onkyo NR1007 pre-pro, Carver TFM 45(fronts), Carver TFM 35 (surrounds)
SDA 1C, CS400i, SDA 2B
PB13Ultra RO
BW Silvers
Oppo BDP-83SE
