- on a lighter note - Name these speakers

dee1949
dee1949 Posts: 1,425
edited March 2011 in The Clubhouse
...helps if you are over 50. One of the best speakers made in the 70's. Up there with Klipsch horns and Magnepan Typani's.

...Hint:

They reintroduced this model last year.

...haven't even hooked them up yet. Had to move and load them by myself. 110 lbs apiece. Needed to take out back seat of car to fit. 40" x 16" x16"

...Love the hobby ...love the challenge....HATE getting old .
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  • wayne3burk
    wayne3burk Posts: 939
    edited January 2011
    Are you using KLH 9's as a coat rack behind that speaker -- or is that an acoustic dampening panel?
    Yamaha RX-V2700, EMI 711As (front), RCA K-16 (rear), Magnavox Console (Center & TV Stand), Sony SMP-N200 media streamer, Dual 1249 TT =--- Sharp Aquas 60" LCD tellie
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  • dee1949
    dee1949 Posts: 1,425
    edited January 2011
    wayne3burk wrote: »
    Are you using KLH 9's as a coat rack behind that speaker -- or is that an acoustic dampening panel?

    ...you MUST be a youngster. Those are Magnepan MG 1's (1979) - rebuilt and are still my favorites.
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited January 2011
    Do you live IN a thrift store? That picture has so much randomness about it, I don't think I could stage it if I tried. Wild.
    Check your lips at the door woman. Shake your hips like battleships. Yeah, all the white girls trip when I sing at Sunday service.
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  • dee1949
    dee1949 Posts: 1,425
    edited January 2011
    ...another HINT....to take our minds off "JOE" and get bback to "FUN".

    ...one of, and maybe the best "TWEETER" ever!!!!
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  • wayne3burk
    wayne3burk Posts: 939
    edited January 2011
    dee1949 wrote: »
    ...you MUST be a youngster. Those are Magnepan MG 1's (1979) - rebuilt and are still my favorites.

    How do they sound??? and what are you pushin' em with?

    just curious

    -- wayne --
    Yamaha RX-V2700, EMI 711As (front), RCA K-16 (rear), Magnavox Console (Center & TV Stand), Sony SMP-N200 media streamer, Dual 1249 TT =--- Sharp Aquas 60" LCD tellie
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  • Rev. Hayes
    Rev. Hayes Posts: 475
    edited January 2011
    I looked up "the best tweeter ever" on google and I still didn't find them.

    I need to know!

    Come on guys, fire up the memory banks and show your stuff!
    Sounds good to me...
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  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,649
    edited January 2011
    Best tweeter of that era,well doesn't look like an ESS with Heil AMT but I could be wrong.
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  • jon s
    jon s Posts: 905
    edited January 2011
    the walnutty one is a AMT Heil rock monitor... the room divider is a magnepan MG1....
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  • dee1949
    dee1949 Posts: 1,425
    edited January 2011
    ....you are both partially right. They are the ESS Amt Monitors....not the rock version.

    Ess is "BACK" !! and this is their Flagship, with a reduced 10" woofer but same 12" passive. They are also selling replacement parts. Awesome.

    http://www.essspeakersusa.com/Products.html
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  • dee1949
    dee1949 Posts: 1,425
    edited January 2011
    ...some links

    http://web.archive.org/web/20001015142909/www.essspeakers.com/amt_series.htm

    http://rucksacktobackpack.blogspot.com/2010/01/ess-amt-monitor-w-heil-air-motion.html

    ...and a site with for sale with lots of pics.....not mine but as gorgeous (ole time style)

    http://www.canuckaudiomart.com/details/210313-ess_amt_monitor_heil_tweeters/

    ....they are selling these new Heil tweeters for $350 apiece on speaker parts sites. A legend. 30 years plus and still going.
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  • potee
    potee Posts: 610
    edited January 2011
    I love getting older you should too. Geez what if we didn't?

    Really liked your room. You'd be one of my wifes best friends.

    PoTee
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  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,649
    edited January 2011
    dee1949 wrote: »
    ....you are both partially right. They are the ESS Amt Monitors....not the rock version.
    Cool,IIRC it's the AMT1 I've seen around, usually sans grille.
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  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,649
    edited January 2011
    michaeljhsda2 wrote: »
    His cats made the inside of the speakers their home.
    Thats an exotic Cat house.Atleast the best part was salvagable.:smile:
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  • dee1949
    dee1949 Posts: 1,425
    edited January 2011
    FTGV wrote: »
    Cool,IIRC it's the AMT1 I've seen around, usually sans grille.


    ....the amt 1 is different version i believe. the monitor series was known as the AMT 1-am...meaning monitor.....or just as the amt MONITOR.
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  • TNHNDYMAN
    TNHNDYMAN Posts: 2,145
    edited January 2011
    dee

    I grew up listening to my dad's AMT1a with the pyramid tapered shape top. The Heil's are awesome and back then before subs the bass was pretty nice too. I actually got to see them last weekend (he has them in storage) and unfortuately one of the passives on the rear is damaged. But on a good note he says I can have them on loan until he has a place to use them in again. Give me a bit and I'll find the pics and post if I'm able.
    2-ch System: Parasound P/LD 2000 pre, Parasound HCA-1000 amp, Parasound T/DQ Tuner, Phase Technology PC-100 Tower speakers, Technics SL-1600 Turntable, Denon 2910 SACD/CD player, Peachtree DAC iT and X1asynchorus USB converter, HSU VTF-3 subwoofer.

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  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,649
    edited January 2011
    This is the one I familiar with http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://audio-database.com/ESS/speaker/amt1.JPG&imgrefurl=http://audio-database.com/ESS/speaker/amt1-e.html&h=494&w=497&sz=38&tbnid=LJdCKdK5QjL_NM:&tbnh=129&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dess%2Bamt1&zoom=1&q=ess+amt1&usg=__px25_X9wjMC3BtxuwcD3tow3EgU=&sa=X&ei=X-g0TcWENsrUgAeBkNziCw&ved=0CCMQ9QEwAQ
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  • dee1949
    dee1949 Posts: 1,425
    edited January 2011
    TNHNDYMAN wrote: »
    dee

    I grew up listening to my dad's AMT1a with the pyramid tapered shape top. The Heil's are awesome and back then before subs the bass was pretty nice too. I actually got to see them last weekend (he has them in storage) and unfortuately one of the passives on the rear is damaged. But on a good note he says I can have them on loan until he has a place to use them in again. Give me a bit and I'll find the pics and post if I'm able.

    ....depending on size and model. Passives are cheap....between $25 to $35 a pair. Work on them.....you won't be disappointed.
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  • halo71
    halo71 Posts: 4,602
    edited January 2011
    FTGV wrote: »
    This is the one I familiar with http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://audio-database.com/ESS/speaker/amt1.JPG&imgrefurl=http://audio-database.com/ESS/speaker/amt1-e.html&h=494&w=497&sz=38&tbnid=LJdCKdK5QjL_NM:&tbnh=129&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dess%2Bamt1&zoom=1&q=ess+amt1&usg=__px25_X9wjMC3BtxuwcD3tow3EgU=&sa=X&ei=X-g0TcWENsrUgAeBkNziCw&ved=0CCMQ9QEwAQ


    Yep, me too! Wish I was closer to these. Awesome price.
    http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/ele/2164375778.html
    --Gary--
    Onkyo Integra M504, Bottlehead Foreplay III, Denon SACD, Thiel CS2.3, NHT VT-2, VT-3 and Evolution T6, Infinity RSIIIa, SDA1C and a few dozen other speakers around the house I change in and out.
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  • joeparaski
    joeparaski Posts: 1,865
    edited January 2011
    I used to own a pair of ESS Rock monitors....great speakers.

    Joe
    Amplifiers: 1-SAE Mark IV, 4-SAE 2400, 1-SAE 2500, 2-SAE 2600, 1-Buttkicker BKA 1000N w/2-tactile transducers. Sources: Sony BDP CX7000es, Sony CX300/CX400/CX450/CX455, SAE 8000 tuner, Akai 4000D R2R, Technics 1100A TT, Epson 8500UB with Carada 100". Speakers:Polk SDA SRS, 3.1TL, FXi5, FXi3, 2-SVS 20-29, Yamaha, SVS center sub. Power:2-Monster HTS3500, Furman M-8D & RR16 Plus. 2-SAE 4000 X-overs, SAE 5000a noise reduction, MSB Link DAC III, MSB Powerbase, Behringer 2496, Monarchy DIP 24/96.
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  • TNHNDYMAN
    TNHNDYMAN Posts: 2,145
    edited January 2011
    dee1949 wrote: »
    ....depending on size and model. Passives are cheap....between $25 to $35 a pair. Work on them.....you won't be disappointed.

    I plan on it. Growing up with these I was never satisfied w/ sound from just any speaker. I'm thrilled with my Polk Monitor 10's but you can't beat the Heil for clarity IMO. Anyways here's my 1st attempt at adding pics so I'm not sure if it'll work.
    2-ch System: Parasound P/LD 2000 pre, Parasound HCA-1000 amp, Parasound T/DQ Tuner, Phase Technology PC-100 Tower speakers, Technics SL-1600 Turntable, Denon 2910 SACD/CD player, Peachtree DAC iT and X1asynchorus USB converter, HSU VTF-3 subwoofer.

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  • xj4094dg
    xj4094dg Posts: 1,158
    edited January 2011
    I owned a pair of AMT 1d's for years. One of my all time favorite speakers and regret selling them.

    Right now I'm into Polk and Magnepan. I have two sets of Maggie SMGa's with the full razor treatment. They sound great but now that I know ESS is back, I may drive across town and check out their new offerings (they are maybe 30 minutes from me).

    Good news indeed!

    Thanks.
    "The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it." Neil deGrasse Tyson.
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited January 2011
    Gee must be younger that I thought, I don't believe I ever seen those before. Any one know how the tweeter works on that?

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  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,649
    edited January 2011
    disneyjoe7 wrote: »
    .. I don't believe I ever seen those before. Any one know how the tweeter works on that?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Motion_Transformer
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  • dee1949
    dee1949 Posts: 1,425
    edited January 2011
    ....well, after a good nights rest and a lot of Advil.....I was able to bend over and thread those bare wire connectors. When were 5 way connectors invented?

    Anyway, might be my favorite speaker of all time. Beats out the Maggies because of the extended bass, no sub needed. That Heil tweeter is amazing. Music sounds LIVE. Been playing all my live Jazz from the Blues Alley and others. Live at the Pawn Shop is Awesome. Right now I only have the ESS's hooked up to an old Proton (Nad) amp (40 watts per) ( B&K pro10mc preamp). Tomorrow is another day. Will hook them up to an Adcom 535 II or a Musical Fidelity amp.
    ....if you ever see a pair of ESS speakers with the Heil tweeters....jump on them. The tweeters today are being sold for $350 apiece new (- $250 used). But bring a hand truck with air tires. 110 lbs apiece.


    link below has a lot of pics of inners and design.

    http://chicago.ebayclassifieds.com/m/ViewLargeImage?adid=2502518&index=0
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  • TNHNDYMAN
    TNHNDYMAN Posts: 2,145
    edited January 2011
    dee1949,

    thanks for the links, don't know if you saw my pics above, but I think I'm going to go ahead and order some new passives and try to bring these home to enjoy again. It's nice finding others that appreciate this great brand of speakers, most people I've run across have no clue about ess or the heil tweeters.
    2-ch System: Parasound P/LD 2000 pre, Parasound HCA-1000 amp, Parasound T/DQ Tuner, Phase Technology PC-100 Tower speakers, Technics SL-1600 Turntable, Denon 2910 SACD/CD player, Peachtree DAC iT and X1asynchorus USB converter, HSU VTF-3 subwoofer.

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  • halo71
    halo71 Posts: 4,602
    edited January 2011
    Dee, where can those PR's be found that are in TNHNDYMANs speakers pictured above? They are just a piece of cardboard (something like that) with a foam covering and a foam surround. Nothing like a regular PR from say a Polk speaker.

    I have some old ESS speakers that had those same type PR's in them. I never could find the same PR so I bought some cheap woofers just to fill the holes.:eek:
    --Gary--
    Onkyo Integra M504, Bottlehead Foreplay III, Denon SACD, Thiel CS2.3, NHT VT-2, VT-3 and Evolution T6, Infinity RSIIIa, SDA1C and a few dozen other speakers around the house I change in and out.
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  • dee1949
    dee1949 Posts: 1,425
    edited January 2011
    halo71 wrote: »
    Dee, where can those PR's be found that are in TNHNDYMANs speakers pictured above? They are just a piece of cardboard (something like that) with a foam covering and a foam surround. Nothing like a regular PR from say a Polk speaker.

    I have some old ESS speakers that had those same type PR's in them. I never could find the same PR so I bought some cheap woofers just to fill the holes.:eek:



    http://www.essspeakersusa.com/Replacement.html

    http://www.simplyspeakers.com/ess-speaker-passive-radiator-repair-kit-pask-10.html

    http://www.simplyspeakers.com/ess-speaker-passive-radiator-repair-kit-pask-12.html
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  • halo71
    halo71 Posts: 4,602
    edited January 2011
    Well I be damned! It's been several years since I looked for them, maybe they just started selling them?!? :biggrin:

    Thanks for the links though!
    --Gary--
    Onkyo Integra M504, Bottlehead Foreplay III, Denon SACD, Thiel CS2.3, NHT VT-2, VT-3 and Evolution T6, Infinity RSIIIa, SDA1C and a few dozen other speakers around the house I change in and out.
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  • dee1949
    dee1949 Posts: 1,425
    edited January 2011
    Update.....have been playing around with these beast for the last few days....below is my impressions: pics of mine vs new version.

    ....Best speaker I have had in house.....over 30 years and 100's of speakers. My favorite speakers in house (until now) have been the Maggies MG-1's

    (w/rebuilt wires and croseovers - w/SUB). Unfortunately they are not quite in the same league.

    - Magnapans and the ESS Monitors have one major thing in common ...and it's the reason they are my favorites......both are bipolar....sound radiates out

    front and back.....live sound.

    - Major reasons that ESS AMT - Monitors win out:

    1 - NO need for "HIGH end" subwoofer - guarantee these will compete with a $1000.00 music subwoofer. Most of weight (110lbs apiece) and cabinet size is to provide for 12" woofer and 12" passive.....well braced, designed, and integrated. Supposedly goes from 30hz to 23khz + 3db

    2 - Easy to drive (93db efficiency) with tube equipment and lower powered highend SS amps . I am driving them with a Musical Finality A170 amp....85 watts

    per channel. My house is brick and neighbors house is Stucco.....after 1hr....complaint.....windows were rattling. Live music is "LIVE".....you are there!!!
    Unfortunately so are your neighbors. Not for apartment dwellers.

    3 - and MOST importantly....The Heil Air-Motion transformer uses revolutionary, and unique, technology that remains unsurpassed and is state-of-the art. The

    key to the system is the design of its patented, double-sided diaphragm and its magnetic components that concentrate the sound unknown in conventional

    transducers. The sound signal moves five times faster than the air-motion of a conventional cone driver.

    ......all I can say is.....you have to hear a pair and make your own appraisal. Any Polkies in WASHINGTON DC area are welcome to give them a listen. Zip is

    20017. 5 blocks from a Metro station. if in the area...stop in.

    _ _ PS - just found this out (prices):

    ... new Models- a new AMT, and Flagship (LD-10LR) with a dipole tweeter.

    The LD-10LR is $3495/pr. ( like mine (Monitor) with a reduced 10" woofer (mine is 12")

    and the AMT is $2495/pr. (Limited edition of the smaller pyramid version)

    - The Heil Air-Motion transformer drivers are $399.00 apiece. Other replacement parts available.

    - the new speakers probably won't be available for a few more months. They were introduced below:

    ESS Labs., LLC "ESS WILL BE @T.H.E. Show 2011"

    THE FLAMINGO LAS VEGAS
    COME VISIT US IN ROOMS 4005-4007
    ESS LABS WILL BE THERE FROM JAN.4 – JAN 9TH

    PS - the version I have of the Monitors is their last revision.....with rubber surrounds and matching passive radiator without the magnet structure, but with the basket. No foam to worry about.
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  • dee1949
    dee1949 Posts: 1,425
    edited January 2011
    Forgot - for those interested in the Monitor revision history:

    Four unpublished revisions took place on those AMT MONITORS. None of these four were labeled anything other than, AMT MONITOR.

    Early versions were with silver AMT units, metalized capacitor films, bextrene woofer cones w/ open cell foam surrounds, and .75in styrene disc radiators on the aluminum rings w/ the same suspension.

    1st mid-build revisions came with flat black AMT units, bextrene woofer cones w/ rolled-edge treated surrounds, and .5in styrene discs w/ open cell foam suspension.

    2nd mid-build revisions incorporate a huge change to the radiator, they were made to reflect the same outer rolled-edge suspension of the bextrene woofer and updated to a conical bextrene passive. When this radiator was introduced, it attached to an entire cast woofer frame (less the magnet and motor structure) obviously. The inner coil area behind the dual dustcaps was sealed up with an inverted pulp disc.

    Final build revision on the AMT MONITOR came circa 1979 when they utilized the SBR (styrene butadiene rubber) half-roll suspension on both the bextrene woofer and conical bextrene radiator. This final build was in production during the outphasing of the 1B towers hence the SBR suspension changeover, which the 1C line of towers took on exclusively.
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