More than two ears?

Ricardo
Ricardo Posts: 10,636
edited January 2011 in The Clubhouse
Posted this somewhere but I think it deserves its own thread.

I feel sorry for those that say "I will get more than two speakers when I grow more than two ears" when referring to a 5 or 7 speakers Home Theater.

These people cannot distinguish if a sound is coming form in front of them, their side, or their back.

They use their two ears to listen to two speakers, and can just pinpoint what's coming out directly from those speakers.

They do not understand what imaging or soundstage is, because they do not have an infinite number of ears in order to be able to place the sounds anywhere in the room other than the speakers.

They can't listen to the center image in their stereo setup. For this they would need a third ear.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited January 2011
    well I agree for HT use the designated number of speaks....so what is the 7 year cycle coming round?

    Echoes at CP drag the joint like a 600 lb anchor on the ebb tide.

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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited January 2011
    Same goes for the "I don't need a sub for ht" attitude.
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited January 2011
    reeltrouble1 wrote: »
    well I agree for HT use the designated number of speaks....so what is the 7 year cycle coming round?

    Echoes at CP drag the joint like a 600 lb anchor on the ebb tide.

    RT1


    Ted. I think it's time. You should stop posting. Or, have a translator do it for you.
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited January 2011
    lol, Ricardo. Ted has got his own style and sometimes it's a bit like a solving a Rubik's cube composed of words. But he keeps us 'thinking' which can't be a bad thing!

    Otherwise. I'm in full agreement with all of your regarding the necessity of multi-channel and a SUB or two, or more for HT.

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  • cristo
    cristo Posts: 231
    edited January 2011
    Ricardo wrote: »
    Posted this somewhere but I think it deserves its own thread.

    I feel sorry for those that say "I will get more than two speakers when I grow more than two ears" when referring to a 5 or 7 speakers Home Theater.

    These people cannot distinguish if a sound is coming form in front of them, their side, or their back.

    They use their two ears to listen to two speakers, and can just pinpoint what's coming out directly from those speakers.

    They do not understand what imaging or soundstage is, because they do not have an infinite number of ears in order to be able to place the sounds anywhere in the room other than the speakers.

    They can't listen to the center image in their stereo setup. For this they would need a third ear.

    You speak for other people fairly easily, but incorrectly.
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited January 2011
    I think for a lot of people the move to multi-channel is a step into unfamiliar waters so they come up with a lot of rationalization as to why it's not something they want to do. There's a lot more complexity with multi-channel and you have to get your learn on. I still lean towards the pure 2 channel stereo system for music, although when multi-channel music is done well it is enjoyable and a very cool presentation. For HT I don't know why you wouldn't want multi-channel? Not having multi-channel for HT would be like ordering a pizza then scraping all the toppings off before you eat it. For HT IMHO 5.1 channels is the minimum and although a well done movie in full 7.1 increases the enjoyment and multi-channel experience, most times the extra back channels just don't add that much.
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited January 2011
    reeltrouble1 wrote: »
    well I agree for HT use the designated number of speaks....so what is the 7 year cycle coming round?

    Echoes at CP drag the joint like a 600 lb anchor on the ebb tide.

    RT1

    I actually understood this perfectly. :biggrin:

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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,004
    edited January 2011
    Ricardo, I just wanted to let you know that two channel rocks. Hmmm, two ears, two channels. Coincidence?
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited January 2011
    Why would I want 7 speakers since 2 already sound so bad?
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

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  • LessisNevermore
    LessisNevermore Posts: 1,519
    edited January 2011
    treitz3 wrote: »
    Ricardo, I just wanted to let you know that two channel rocks. Hmmm, two ears, two channels. Coincidence?
    Considering that 3 channels was the original goal, I'll go with yes.:tongue:
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited January 2011
    concealer404 wrote: »
    I actually understood this perfectly. :biggrin:

    I'll see you all again in 2018 to talk about this subject again.

    better beware...first sign of your impending breakdown is understanding an RT1 post....dangerous ground.


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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited January 2011
    5.1 would be great for HT, but with my budget I would have to drop quaity so much for the extra channels it wouldn't be worth it. I am very pleased with my two channels front stage. Maybe latter I will build some surrounds to match my fronts. A dual purpose 2 channel/HT is the only way I will be able to make it fly in the future.
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited January 2011
    Please read before posting. I said Home Theater. 2 Channel is the ONLY way for music.
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited January 2011
    That's my quote, but I only say it because I'm insecure, old, and can't afford a full HT.

    "I'll go surround after I grow 3.1 more ears."

    BUT,
    If/when we end up with a house that will allow me to have a proper 2-channel room, I'll likely setup a dedicated HT in the main family room.
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited January 2011
    Even F1Nut finally found out HT sounds cool. Does it replace anything dedicated 2ch? Nope and not sure who said it in the first place. Damn them.

    I've noticed a bigger difference in larger .1 systems when the room is larger. 7.1 in a small room doesn't make much sense to me.
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited January 2011
    It really helps out the audio industry if you have both a 2 ch and a multi-channel HT system. Get on board and do your part to help the industry :biggrin:
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  • mdaudioguy
    mdaudioguy Posts: 5,165
    edited January 2011
    In lieu of more ears, perhaps we just need better ears...

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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,763
    edited January 2011
    edit: oops
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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited January 2011
    Ricardo wrote: »
    They can't listen to the center image in their stereo setup. For this they would need a third ear.

    Done and done:

    A-man-with-3-ears-at-the--001.jpg
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited January 2011
    zingo wrote: »
    Done and done:

    A-man-with-3-ears-at-the--001.jpg

    Is he raising his hand to say "yes, I'm the local sex offender?"....that's just creepy.

    MD - I've seen ppl with ears like that but they're very nice in person.
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited January 2011
    In that guys case, would his left ear be the center channel?
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited January 2011
    The guy tells his shrink that he's pregnant, shrink asks the guy who made him pregnant, guy say's "how would I know....I don't have eyes in the back of my head!" Oh, wait, this is about something else,isn't it.....nevermind !:redface:
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited January 2011
    Ricardo wrote: »
    Please read before posting. I said Home Theater. 2 Channel is the ONLY way for music.

    perhaps you could include some pictures, include one of your fuzzy navel.

    RT1
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  • RuSsMaN
    RuSsMaN Posts: 17,987
    edited January 2011
    I think that's not an ear, its what used to be paleface's lips, 'cause they are missing.
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