?'s about upgrading sub

fgr41 · July 2003

I am considering getting a new sub and was thinking about the Velodyne CHT 10 to start with then upgrade to the CHT 12 a few months later, using the CC upgrade policy. I want the best bang for the buck but don't have much buck to go around. I am thinking the ballpark at first is going to be around $300. I would like to step right up to the SVS but getting another $300-400 may take a while.

Does it sound logical to get the lower CHT-10 then try and upgrade later on down the road with the CC plan or should I just wait another year and save enough for an SVS, a year is an awfully long time.

I was also looking at a 12" Paradigm for around $350 at a competitor which also has an upgrade policy but whos prices are a bit higher than CC. I might not get as good of a deal there but they tend to have higher end equipment and a good reputation.

organ · July 2003

Unless you can use the Velo or Pdigm in another system later on, it's better to wait for the SVS. If the old sub is going to collect dust after you get the SVS, you just wasted some money you could have used on cables, IC, etc. But it's your money and I can't stop you if you want to go for it:). The only good thing I see about getting the Velo is playing around with placement, x-over, volume,connctions, etc so that once the SVS arrives, you'll know what your doing.

Maurice

begbie · July 2003

I've got the Velodyne Cht12 sub and it was an upgrade over the Polk psw350 10" sub and it was a definite improvement! Only complaint is the cheap rubber feet it comes with.

If you plan on upgrading to the SVS then you should wait.

Double_S · July 2003

I would wait on the SVS. That's what I am doing right now.:(

Dr. Spec · July 2003

If you are strapped for cash, DIY offers a huge bang for the buck. Or you can try a kit sub and still have a really good performance value.

Also, SVS will be announcing a new line of box subs in the $300-$350 range within 60 days. I don't know more than that. I also don't know if they will be using the ISD or a different driver.

The new sub line was (ironically) and outgrowth of a production stream lining process for the enclosure of the wildly popular PB2-Plus.

This will be interesting..........stay tuned.

Doc

fgr41 · July 2003

Really?! I hadn't heard about SVS's new line coming out. I will have to look around and see what I can dig up on other forums about it. If they come out with a lower end sub but still maintains the SVS quality that might be the way I go.

Thanks for the info!

Loud & Clear · July 2003

Here's a vote for getting the 10" velo, saving cash for a year, then selling the velo and coupling that cash with what you've saved, and purchasing the best sub available for the money you've put together.

fgr41 · July 2003

So I'm guessing you think the 10" velo is worth the $ and upgrading to the 12 or 15 or whatever else CC has would be a good way to go.

Thanks for rocking the boat.

VR3 · July 2003

Wait for the SVS. The Velo is nice, but not nice enough to waste the money. Get the SVS. Dont look back.

VR3 · July 2003

Yeah......like im gonna tell someone to buy M&K and watch everyone jump down my throat? Go with the flow........buy SVS........be like everyone else.........:rolleyes:

Loud & Clear · July 2003

So I'm guessing you think the 10" velo is worth the $ and upgrading to the 12 or 15 or whatever else CC has would be a good way to go.

I guess I'm saying that I would avoid standing pat with the Sony for a solid year, and instead go with the CHT-10, possibly upgrading to the 12" at some point if the urge strikes you. Then, after a year or two, sell the velo and get the best sub for the buck at that time. Personally, I'd rather live with the velo for a year than the Sony. Just what I would do, that's all, you'll survive either way. Good luck.

dorokusai · July 2003

If your current sub is not performing like it should, or how you would like, then upgrade.

I personally think you should step up now, and sell the sub when you are ready to get into reference level bass. BUT, if that Velo, rocks your world, then fook it, keep it.

I just don't see that Sony keeping you happy, bite the bullet, and give the Sony subwoofer one.

Double_S · July 2003

I also did not know about the lower priced SVS. :cool: :cool: I hope it IS close to the same quality,then I won't have to hear my fiance **** about $600 for a sub. WOO HOO!!

Dr. Spec · July 2003

Straight from Ron Stimpson's mouth ('er, fingers):

"You didn't think we'd fail to notice the $300 to $500 market forever did you?? Tom will probably be having an R/D press release in the next couple weeks that will show there will soon be a new sheriff in that ultra affordable price point too.

It's all a spin off of the need to streamline PB2-Plus production interestingly enough. So there is a silver lining to every cloud after all."

Doc

fgr41 · July 2003

1st, thanks all for your respnces.
2nd, I haven't made up my mind what to do yet. I will not be making a decision for a few more months so I'll just have to see what SVS comes out with and decide if I want to go with something I have never seen nor heard before.

I just hope the new SVS line is not too monstorus in size. The wife isn't happy with the size of things now, if the SVS is the size of some of their current subs it will almost need a new room.

I know what ever happens with their new line the reviews are going to be good. With as much hype as the SVS has I can see the lower budget guys like me jumping to their affordable sub and all claiming it is the best they have ever heard. I think its hard to get a straight answer on such a objective matter as ones personal preference.

This brings up another point. If SVS is bringing out a lower priced sub to compete with other 3-500 subs how are they going to keep up with demand. I would imagine a lot of people, like myself, would be interested in making the SVS move. Are they going to have to go to a more "mass produced" line and forgo on the quality. It would make sence to me this would happen. Lighten up on the quality in favor of a more mass produced line that is less expensive. Which leads me to wonder, what it will really sound like and will it be worth it?

Dr. Spec · July 2003

Originally posted by fgr41
This brings up another point. If SVS is bringing out a lower priced sub to compete with other 3-500 subs how are they going to keep up with demand. I would imagine a lot of people, like myself, would be interested in making the SVS move. Are they going to have to go to a more "mass produced" line and forgo on the quality. It would make sence to me this would happen. Lighten up on the quality in favor of a more mass produced line that is less expensive. Which leads me to wonder, what it will really sound like and will it be worth it?

I'm not sure how they are going to pull this off. The PB1-ISD uses the same components as the "entry level" PCi line - in other words head and shoulders above the typical $600 sub. With that said:

I can't see them using anything less than the ISD for a driver.
I can't see them using less than 300 watts.
I can't see them using a tune point of greater than 25 Hz.

That means the same basic enclosure size and venting requirements as the PB1. I'm scratching my head over this one.

Maybe the future enclosure will be less expensive to them (per the stream lining of the PB2+ enclosure), and they will pass that cost savings onto the customer. That's all I can think of for now.

We'll know in a few weeks.

Doc

goingganzo · July 2003

if you want a velo 12 i will sell you mine for 220 +ship with is less than a new velo 10. depending how much of a bass head you are the velo will satisify you. and in a year or 2 you can sell it for about the same price as you buy it for.

fgr41 · July 2003

I spent 5 hours at 2 local stores today demo'ing subs. First I went to CC and was trying out the Velo 10 and 12" with my own reference disks. I was ok with the 10 but the 12 was just too boomy and didn't sound like I had hoped. I was thinking the 10 would be the one for me.

I then went to Ovation and demo'ed the Klipsch and Paradigm 10" and 12". The Klipsch were ok but when compaired to the Paradigm's they didnt have the clarity and punch. The store did not have a PDR-12 set up so I was limited to listen to what the 10 could do. I was pleased, it sounded much better than the Velo's did and seemed to have a much deeper range.

THEN I put in an audio DVD of the Blue Man Group, listening to track 4 all of the suden it just didnt sound right. I knew right away something was wrong. With the gain set to 1/2 and the crossover set at 1/2 or aprox 80-90 the sub was bottoming out. It was trying with all its might to hit the notes but simply could not do it and was pukeing distortion all over the room.

I had them pull out an unopened PDR-12 and test that boxes ability to take on the same song. It reached down low and was able to handle the stress no problem. For right now, from what I have heard, I'm going to be going with the PDR-12 for around $390. This means I may have to save up a few more months but I think in the end it will be worth it.

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