jinjuku....part deaux

TroyD
TroyD Posts: 13,077
edited January 2011 in 2 Channel Audio
Ok, I have some more questions for jinjuku...


So, your new flavor of the month is DIY. Ok, not exactly ground breaking or divergent...but, whatever....

Now, what sort of gear have you designed? Or are you talking about just assembling gear according you someone else's schematic?

What's your revelation in terms of DIY in terms of superior design or is it just cheaper?

BDT
I plan for the future. - F1Nut
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited January 2011
    Lest anyone think I'm dogging DIY, far from it....some folks on here have come up with some pretty sick DIY projects in the past...

    What I'm getting at is JJ has just been randomly throwing stuff out there and berating others for being close minded and so forth....when he's given no support for his contentions...and I'm trying to give him the spotlight to do so. So far, he's batting .000.

    BDT
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited January 2011
    I don't mind having this conversation, but it won't be at PF.
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited January 2011
    Why not?

    I mean, you have no issues purporting that you know what you are talking about...so, I'm honestly asking you for clarification.

    We'll start with subs. I don't believe in quantity of bass over quality....if it doesn't blend seamlessly, what's the point. So, how do you overcome that? I mean, it seems to me, different cabinet structures, different driver materials, different crossover slopes.....so many pitfalls in integrating subs. How do you overcome that?

    BDT
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited January 2011
    jinjuku wrote: »
    I don't mind having this conversation, but it won't be at PF.

    Textbook passive/aggressive response. You can do the calling out, but when someone actually wants to call you out, you either;

    A) backpeddle
    B) re-direct
    C) make a statement like the above
    D) all of the above.

    H9







    P.s the correct answer is "D"
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited January 2011
    PF? Who was talking about PolkFest?
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited January 2011
    Keiko wrote: »
    Hah! Gonna take his ball and go home now. lol!
    LMAO:biggrin: Typical of him to play that way. WEEE WEEE WEEEEEE all the way home.:biggrin::wink:
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited January 2011
    The above posts are why I am willing to have a cordial conversation with you, just not here.

    I would rather have it somewhere where moderation happens and the morons are shown the exit.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited January 2011
    jinjuku wrote: »

    .... and the morons are shown the exit.

    How would you participate then, don't get on your high horse and act all innocent.........you are the worst offender and feed into it like a piranah going after fresh meat.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited January 2011
    If he had a ball, figuratively speaking.
    DKG999
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited January 2011
    jinjuku wrote:
    I would rather have it somewhere where moderation happens and the morons are shown the exit.

    :confused: But then you wouldn't be there :confused:
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited January 2011
    Ok, so silence the critics.....and what should it matter anyway, you don't normally have any issue saying what's on your mind......

    I mean, if I'm wrong....and I have been wrong about things, I have zero issues admitting it. In terms of the subject at hand, I've never listened to a rig HT or 2CH that had a sub, that I the subwoofer didn't immediately call attention to itself.

    BDT
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited January 2011
    jinjuku wrote: »
    I would rather have it somewhere where I can control the discussion and I decide which morons are shown the exit.

    I consulted my Dr Phil guide to internet control freaks and wannabe's and fixed his post to better reflect his game plan.
    DKG999
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited January 2011
    PM from Jinjuku....

    Now, I post this not to embarrass him, but, because I don't say anything via PM that I won't in public....and I don't see anything here that is really out of line in terms of being inflammatory.
    Currently out of the first 10 posts 5 of them are simply argumentative for the sake of being argumentative. Where does that really get anyone.

    An honest conversation and exchange of ideas can not happen in this type of environment. People are simply interested in shouting someone down because they don't see Eye to Eye.

    Cathy really hit the nail on the head with what is wrong here.

    If you want to play ball lets really have a discussion of DIY subs and related pro-gear at HTS or AVSForum

    My response is this.

    People are argumentative because you have given no reason not to be. I mean, there are people with whom I disagree and even dislike...but I respect thier opinons. You have added nothing of value, except diagreement, to the conversation.

    Honest conversations happen all the time, even disagreeable ones....you just choose to be as much part of the problem as anyone else.

    I won't have this discussion anywhere but here. This is where I choose to hang out, as do you (why, other than flushing the pipes...which this would be a golden opportunity to silence your critics, is beyond me)

    The fact is, you have chosen to come here, chosen to participate and have criticized for people being disagreeable to what you claim to believe. This is a golden opportunity for you to state your case. I'm not being impolite or rude or anything else.....however, if you choose to ignore this, it only gives weight to what people are saying.

    BDT
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,566
    edited January 2011
    jinjuku wrote: »
    The above posts are why I am willing to have a cordial conversation with you, just not here.

    I'll be in Louisville Friday on business, we could do lunch.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited January 2011
    What the heck are you doing in Louisville?

    BDT
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited January 2011
    If he doesn't want to have the discussion, then he doesn't. Move on, nothing to see.

    This is probably more annoying to those who log in, hit the "New posts" button and see three threads at the same time all over this guy.
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited January 2011
    Again, I have to ask the question of why is JuJuBee here if he finds it sooooooooo difficult to participate?

    It's not rhetorical, so feel free to answer JJ. I really want to know why you are here if this site is worthless to you?

    Someone asks you a DIRECT question and you avoid it like the plague, but yet have the audacity to chime in everywhere, all over the board with snide remarks, or comments vaguely having anything to do with the thread you are commenting in. Or, just spreading your own personal agenda around as you see fit. It.....rather you, add nothing of value. Now that you can have some discourse about your POV, you don't want to do it here.

    You are one eff'd up individual.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,566
    edited January 2011
    BDT wrote:
    What the heck are you doing in Louisville?

    Business.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited January 2011
    I keep forgetting...

    F1's Baaaaaad....he's nationwide.....

    BDT
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  • cstmar01
    cstmar01 Posts: 4,424
    edited January 2011
    appears this clean up of club polk in Jinjuku's mind has not happened yet.

    whats the point? to teach us not to bash your pro audio gear? To enlighten us that we are all wasting our OWN MONEY on something that we DECIDED FOR OURSELVES WE LIKE.

    I love being told that what I like is wrong and a waste of my time.


    and I never knew there would be mods at PF. Jinjuku, you really were going to come to Orlando, to do what? show us your amp and make us bow to you and then you can rise and become the audio god we shall worship for showing us "the way"?

    If so, I will gladly go to the beach and just sit there and bake in the sun until my head explodes.
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited January 2011
    TroyD wrote: »
    I keep forgetting...

    F1's Baaaaaad....he's nationwide.....

    BDT

    I go to Louisville at least 30 times a year. Can i be bad and nationwide, too? :tongue:
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited January 2011
    Nope, F1 is in a class of 1.

    BDT
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  • cstmar01
    cstmar01 Posts: 4,424
    edited January 2011
    concealer404 wrote: »
    I go to Louisville at least 30 times a year. Can i be bad and nationwide, too? :tongue:

    Ben, your pretty much nation wide already...

    your waist line that is.

    :tongue:
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  • concealer404
    concealer404 Posts: 7,440
    edited January 2011
    cstmar01 wrote: »
    Ben, your pretty much nation wide already...

    your waist line that is.

    :tongue:

    D'oh!
    I don't read the newsssspaperssss because dey aaaallllllllll...... have ugly print.

    Living Room: B&K Reference 5 S2 / Parasound HCA-1000A / Emotiva XDA-2 / Pioneer BDP-51FD / Paradigm 11se MKiii

    Desk: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / ISK HD9999

    Office: Schiit Magni 2 Uber / Schiit Modi 2 Uber / Dynaco SCA-80Q / Paradigm Legend V.3

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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited January 2011
    Easin' down the highway in a '99 Caravan,
    He had a fine fox in front and three more in the back.
    They sportin' short dresses, wearin' spike-heel shoes,
    They smokin' Lucky Strikes, and wearing nylons too.
    'Cause Jesse's bad, he's nationwide.
    Yeah he bad, he's nationwide.

    Well Jesse was movin' down the road in his V6 Dodge,
    He had a shine on his boots, he had his sideburns lowered.
    With a New York brim and his gold tooth displayed,
    Nobody give him trouble cause they know he got it made.
    Jesse's bad, he's nationwide.
    Well Jesse's bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, he's nationwide

    BDT
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  • amulford
    amulford Posts: 5,020
    edited January 2011
    I'm waiting for some realistic perspectives and insight here. Should I hold my breath for the epiphany???
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited January 2011
    amulford wrote: »
    I'm waiting for some realistic perspectives and insight here. Should I hold my breath for the epiphany???

    There's a slight upcharge for realistic perspectives and insight :rolleyes:
    DKG999
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  • shack
    shack Posts: 11,154
    edited January 2011
    TroyD wrote: »
    Easin' down the highway in a '99 Caravan,
    He had a fine fox in front and three more in the back.
    They sportin' short dresses, wearin' spike-heel shoes,
    They smokin' Lucky Strikes, and wearing nylons too.
    'Cause Jesse's bad, he's nationwide.
    Yeah he bad, he's nationwide.

    Well Jesse was movin' down the road in his V6 Dodge,
    He had a shine on his boots, he had his sideburns lowered.
    With a New York brim and his gold tooth displayed,
    Nobody give him trouble cause they know he got it made.
    Jesse's bad, he's nationwide.
    Well Jesse's bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, he's nationwide

    BDT

    I dunno...it loses something in the translation....

    At least add the first verse

    Well, Jesse was rolling down the road in some rusty old steel,
    He had a Werewolf in back and a Vampire at the wheel.
    Going downtown in the middle of the night,
    Laughing and joking and feeling alright.
    Oh, he's bad, he's nationwide.
    Yes, he's bad, he's nationwide.
    "Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right." - Ricky Gervais

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  • seeclear
    seeclear Posts: 1,242
    edited January 2011
    Hey, just ignore the ones that are "simply argumentative for the sake of being argumentative." Have the conversation with Troy, he is being nice and open-minded with you.
    "Don't forget to change your politician. They are like diapers they need to be changed regularly, and for the same reason."
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited January 2011
    The silence is deafening

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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