Marantz SR6003...How good is this one?

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  • stangjason
    stangjason Posts: 341
    edited January 2011
    gsxr141 wrote: »
    from what i'm reading here, it looks like the 1120 is junk. is this true? everything else i've read on it, said it was a very good receiver.

    In my short experience my impression is that it's a great sounding home theater experience with subpar power but I can't say the lack of power adversely affected the two movies I watched portions of 'Up' and 'The Dark Knight'. My verdict is still out on whether I'm keeping it but I wouldn't call it junk necessarily.

    I'm a car person and if I had to describe it like a car I would say it's a great handling car that's lacking in power.
    Pioneer vsx-1120k, B&K Sonata series video-5 amplifier, Polk Rti8, Fxi3, Csi5, and HSU VTF-1
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  • nguyendot
    nguyendot Posts: 3,594
    edited January 2011
    stangjason wrote: »
    In my short experience my impression is that it's a great sounding home theater experience with subpar power but I can't say the lack of power adversely affected the two movies I watched portions of 'Up' and 'The Dark Knight'. My verdict is still out on whether I'm keeping it but I wouldn't call it junk necessarily.

    I'm a car person and if I had to describe it like a car I would say it's a great handling car that's lacking in power.

    So, it's a Miata?
    Main Surround -
    Epson 8350 Projector/ Elite Screens 120" / Pioneer Elite SC-35 / Sunfire Signature / Focal Chorus 716s / Focal Chorus CC / Polk MC80 / Polk PSW150 sub

    Bedroom - Sharp Aquos 70" 650 / Pioneer SC-1222k / Polk RT-55 / Polk CS-250

    Den - Rotel RSP-1068 / Threshold CAS-2 / Boston VR-M60 / BDP-05FD
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  • nguyendot
    nguyendot Posts: 3,594
    edited January 2011
    gsxr141 wrote: »
    from what i'm reading here, it looks like the 1120 is junk. is this true? everything else i've read on it, said it was a very good receiver.

    It's not junk. You just have to understand what it is. It's a $500 receiver.... Treat it as such.

    Few receivers will offer what this receiver offers for its' price. I do not expect a $500 receiver to output its' rated power unless it's a Harman Kardon that is rated at 30w/channel or so, or a Marantz rated at 50w/channel. Even then you'd be hard pressed to find a 7.1 channel of either, new in that price range.
    Main Surround -
    Epson 8350 Projector/ Elite Screens 120" / Pioneer Elite SC-35 / Sunfire Signature / Focal Chorus 716s / Focal Chorus CC / Polk MC80 / Polk PSW150 sub

    Bedroom - Sharp Aquos 70" 650 / Pioneer SC-1222k / Polk RT-55 / Polk CS-250

    Den - Rotel RSP-1068 / Threshold CAS-2 / Boston VR-M60 / BDP-05FD
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  • stangjason
    stangjason Posts: 341
    edited January 2011
    nguyendot wrote: »
    So, it's a Miata?

    Yes that was my exact thoughts even though a Lotus pops into my mind on occasion but that might have too much power.
    Pioneer vsx-1120k, B&K Sonata series video-5 amplifier, Polk Rti8, Fxi3, Csi5, and HSU VTF-1
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,068
    edited January 2011
    stangjason wrote: »
    Though my reaction was knee jerk last night as I was taken back by the tin can sound and lack of volume coming from my speakers my search for good sound from music is not over with this receiver. Oh and no I wasn't completely surprised by this because as mentioned by others the power rating by Pioneer for this receiver is surprising higher than it should be.

    Do remember I'm coming from an H/K 635 that produced beautiful music with loads of power but a very mediocre home theater experience.

    Fair enough, but as others have said, it's still a 500 buck receiver. I had the same problem with thin sound in music playback, compared to my old B&K307. So much that I almost put it back up for sale. Try different cables, set the speakers to large, try the different playback modes. If it's still not for you, move on to something else, not a biggie by any means.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
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  • nguyendot
    nguyendot Posts: 3,594
    edited January 2011
    I had the same experience with my 1019... Wasn't impressed with the music at all. The Yamaha I have that replaced it, which is 10 years older sounds MUCH better in music. It was probably lack of setup, but oh well. I didn't get the 1019 to keep anyways.
    Main Surround -
    Epson 8350 Projector/ Elite Screens 120" / Pioneer Elite SC-35 / Sunfire Signature / Focal Chorus 716s / Focal Chorus CC / Polk MC80 / Polk PSW150 sub

    Bedroom - Sharp Aquos 70" 650 / Pioneer SC-1222k / Polk RT-55 / Polk CS-250

    Den - Rotel RSP-1068 / Threshold CAS-2 / Boston VR-M60 / BDP-05FD
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  • stangjason
    stangjason Posts: 341
    edited January 2011
    As of now I'm considering a Marantz sr5004 or a comparable model in the $560 range.
    Pioneer vsx-1120k, B&K Sonata series video-5 amplifier, Polk Rti8, Fxi3, Csi5, and HSU VTF-1
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,068
    edited January 2011
    nguyendot wrote: »
    I had the same experience with my 1019... Wasn't impressed with the music at all. The Yamaha I have that replaced it, which is 10 years older sounds MUCH better in music. It was probably lack of setup, but oh well. I didn't get the 1019 to keep anyways.

    It was a synergy thing for me. Switching receivers, I replaced IC's with shorter ones and my amp said, " UH, excuse me..." Once the old cables were put back in, the sound I liked came back. Don't under estimate the importance of cables/synergy in your system. I always try and tweek a piece to get it to play nice before booting it down the road. Thing is, I knew going from a 3500 buck receiver to a 700 buck one was not going to yield the same results in music playback, but I got it close. My Butler amp helped out in large to this, which again, if you don't have preouts,your stuck.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
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  • stangjason
    stangjason Posts: 341
    edited January 2011
    Glowrdr wrote: »
    I know it's a little late, but the bench for the 1120-k is available now on HTM (unfortunately I cannot link to it due to my firewall not allowing me access from here)

    But... testing is showing with 5 channels its about 47 wpc, and with 7 its about 39 wpc

    Who did the bench? If I can find it I'll link it.
    Pioneer vsx-1120k, B&K Sonata series video-5 amplifier, Polk Rti8, Fxi3, Csi5, and HSU VTF-1
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  • Glowrdr
    Glowrdr Posts: 1,103
    edited January 2011
    Just goto the Home Theater Magazine site, and search for 1120-k. I found it online at home, but at work, I can't even get Google to return HTM in a search.

    Grrr. What else am I supposed to do at work? Sheesh. :rolleyes:
    65" Sony X900 (XBR-65X900E)
    Pioneer Elite SC-37
    Polk Monitor 70's (2)
    Polk Monitor 40's (4)
    Polk Monitor CS2
    Polk DSW Pro 660wi
    Oppo BDP-93
    Squeezebox Duet
    Belkin PureAV PF60
    Dish Network "The Hoppa"
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  • nguyendot
    nguyendot Posts: 3,594
    edited January 2011
    There isn't a review for the 1120, just the 1019 on HTM....
    Main Surround -
    Epson 8350 Projector/ Elite Screens 120" / Pioneer Elite SC-35 / Sunfire Signature / Focal Chorus 716s / Focal Chorus CC / Polk MC80 / Polk PSW150 sub

    Bedroom - Sharp Aquos 70" 650 / Pioneer SC-1222k / Polk RT-55 / Polk CS-250

    Den - Rotel RSP-1068 / Threshold CAS-2 / Boston VR-M60 / BDP-05FD
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  • Glowrdr
    Glowrdr Posts: 1,103
    edited January 2011
    nguyendot wrote: »
    There isn't a review for the 1120, just the 1019 on HTM....

    I can't say either way at this point, but here is what I found on AVS forums as well.. "January, Home Theater Magazine tested the 1120 @ .1%, five channels driven, 47watts/ channel"

    If nobody finds it by the time I get home, I'll post it. I was able to find a bench on the 1120-k though, just not having any luck now.
    65" Sony X900 (XBR-65X900E)
    Pioneer Elite SC-37
    Polk Monitor 70's (2)
    Polk Monitor 40's (4)
    Polk Monitor CS2
    Polk DSW Pro 660wi
    Oppo BDP-93
    Squeezebox Duet
    Belkin PureAV PF60
    Dish Network "The Hoppa"
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 33,068
    edited January 2011
    You guys are really splitting hairs here. You really going to worry about 10 or 20 watts one way or another ? Then ask why your speakers sound lacking in 5 or 7 channel mode ? Or if it's enough to drive big floorstanders ? C'mon, thats why it's important to have preouts gents. For midline receivers, the power dip between 2 channel and 5 or 7 channel is no big news, we have stated this over and over. Every receiver, coupled with associate gear will have a certain sound quality that appeals to you. Once your set on it, and you have preouts, the rest is mute. The bigger the speakers, the more power you'll need, you add an amp, and away you go until the next upgrade bug bites. HT doesn't have to be rocket science.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

    Kitchen

    Sonos zp90
    Grant Fidelity tube dac
    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited January 2011
    Agree with tonyb.....you cant cheat physics E=mc squared

    I would be hesitant to go with a marantz 5004 because I read reports on users having reliability issues compared to the 003 series

    The pioneer 1120 is a dam fine preamp with hdmi 1.4 and has nice dacs inside .If it was me I would buy a 3ch amp and use the receiver for my surrounds and you have a awesome HT rig for not alot of money
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