Speaker upgrade ranking

dcoil
dcoil Posts: 153
edited December 2010 in Vintage Speakers
Albeit I’m a relative newbie poster on the forum, I’ve lurked for several years. I’m a proud original owner of a pair of 2B’s and have loved the SDA sound ever since (that probably gives away the fact that I’m not a young man anymore…:cool:). I saved some coin over the years and picked up a pair of SRS a few years ago and I have a good list of upgrades to do to them thanks to the many posts by dedicated members of this forum. In an effort to give something back to the community I’d like to propose to rank and tabulate some of the many possible upgrades just to see what are the ‘biggest bang for the buck’, and what are the ‘nuance’ upgrades to get that last bit of aural gratification. Raife did this to an extent in his wonderful SDA Compendium which I found very helpful. This would be an ‘update’ with the added benefit of the community experience. I would propose to rank a set of possible upgrades on a 1 – 5 scale for A) subjective/objective audio improvement, B) time (to make the modification), C) cost, and D) the specific SDA model involved. The 1 – 5 scale for audio improvement would be 1 = minimal, 3 = moderate, and 5 = exceptional with 2 and 4 being gradations in-between. For time and cost I suggest actual values, i.e. cost 1 = < $50, 2 = $50 - $200, 3 = $201 - $350, 4 = $351 to $500, and 5 = > $500 and for time 1 = < 4hr, 2 = 4 – 16hr, 3 = 16 – 28 hrs, 4 = 28 – 40hrs, and 5 = > 40hrs. I have started a list of upgrades from those that I have read as fairly standard to those that are only rarely explored. I think for this first attempt at this, I’d like to keep the modifications confined to the speakers plus the speaker wire. I’d like to include the speaker wire as I think it would be interesting info. Please post suggested scales, and additions/edits/deletions of upgrade categories, etc, or let me know if you think I’m just plumb out of my mind:eek:. I know that room acoustics, equipment, etc. etc. will play a roll in the audio improvements and that most of this will be subjective and as some of you so eloquently state – “YMMV”:biggrin:. If some of you think this is worthwhile, I will tabulate the results and post in a table or spreadsheet format for reference.

Upgrade Categories
1) Tweeter replacement
2) XO caps and resistors
3) XO inductor
4) XO board
5) XO polyswitch mod removed
6) XO polyswitch replaced with resistor
7) Interconnect cable
8) Speaker wire
9) Rings
10) Mortite
11) Binding/interconnect posts
12) Cooking (inductor replacement, interconnect, speaker wire, etc)
13) Spikes
SDA SRS modded: X’ovrd, de-polyed, inductorized, interconnectorized, re-posted, dynamited, RDO’d, spiked, gasketed, ringed (Larry's), and grill cloth blinged! Done this on my own? Not a chance. Thanks to Raife and all who forged easy to follow upgrades. At least a 100% improvement in sound and my personal listening pleasure! :cheesygrin:Pass XP-10 preamp, Parasound A21 amp, Pioneer Elite DV-58AV (Ric Shultz modded), Audioquest Sky IC's, No longer need my Sunfire sub after mods...
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  • dcoil
    dcoil Posts: 153
    edited December 2010
    No response? OK, I guess I missed the mark on this one... I'll keep thinking!
    SDA SRS modded: X’ovrd, de-polyed, inductorized, interconnectorized, re-posted, dynamited, RDO’d, spiked, gasketed, ringed (Larry's), and grill cloth blinged! Done this on my own? Not a chance. Thanks to Raife and all who forged easy to follow upgrades. At least a 100% improvement in sound and my personal listening pleasure! :cheesygrin:Pass XP-10 preamp, Parasound A21 amp, Pioneer Elite DV-58AV (Ric Shultz modded), Audioquest Sky IC's, No longer need my Sunfire sub after mods...
  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited December 2010
    Your order is basically spot on. No need to replace the inductor and board in my humble opinion. 1 and 2 necessarily need to go together if you are TL'ing by adding a 5.8uf cap to accomodate the RDO198-1 tweeter which is mandatory, again, in my humble opinion.

    I've just added Extreme upgrades upstream of my 2B's and they do not give even a HINT of being the weak link in the chain. TL'd 2B's might actually be the true definition of the oft overused term, "Giant Killers".

    Edit: And I forgot to mention that is "just " with Sonicaps. The world of even more highly acclaimed (albeit much more expensive) caps beckons!
    VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
    TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
    Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
    Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
    MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
    Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
    PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
    Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
    NAD SS rigs w/mods
    GIK panels
  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited December 2010
    IMO, TL'd 2B's are the cream of the crop.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited December 2010
    I would swap #13 and #10. I realized more benifit with myesound spikes. Using the steel rings I find mortite is not needed.
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
    Cables: Mits S3 IC and Spk cables| PS Audio PCs
  • inspiredsports
    inspiredsports Posts: 5,501
    edited December 2010
    thsmith wrote: »
    I would swap #13 and #10. I realized more benifit with myesound spikes. Using the steel rings I find mortite is not needed.

    Were you able to skip Mortite or gaskets when you installed your rings?

    I Karma'd my original gaskets about a year ago, so left the Mortite in place when I installed my rings. I was afraid to go "Commando" on 'em even if it is possible :biggrin:

    I've found one of the biggest benefits of spikes even beyond floor coupling is the fact you can align each array of speakers in exactly the same vertical plane.
    VTL ST50 w/mods / RCA6L6GC / TlfnknECC801S
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 w/mods
    TT Conrad Johnson Sonographe SG3 Oak / Sumiko LMT / Grado Woodbody Platinum / Sumiko PIB2 / The Clamp
    Musical Fidelity A1 CDPro/ Bada DD-22 Tube CDP / Conrad Johnson SD-22 CDP
    Tuners w/mods Kenwood KT5020 / Fisher KM60
    MF x-DAC V8, HAInfo NG27
    Herbies Ti-9 / Vibrapods / MIT Shotgun AC1 IEC's / MIT Shotgun 2 IC's / MIT Shotgun 2 Speaker Cables
    PS Audio Cryo / PowerPort Premium Outlets / Exact Power EP15A Conditioner
    Walnut SDA 2B TL /Oak SDA SRS II TL (Sonicaps/Mills/Cardas/Custom SDA ICs / Dynamat Extreme / Larry's Rings/ FSB-2 Spikes
    NAD SS rigs w/mods
    GIK panels