Tried tuning the p-99 today
arun1963
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Ok, so I got my hands on the p-99 today. Met up with this guy who's running and active network with this unit, the PPI 365cs mids in doors and tweets in A-pillars off a Soundstream 4.920 and and a 12" Shiva @ 4 ohms off a clarion putting out 600watts at 4ohms.
http://www.woofersetc.com/p7745/REF4920--Soundstream-4-Ch-920-Watt-RMS-Class-A-B-Reference-Series-Power-Amplifier.htm
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_17121_Precision+Power+PPI+356CS.html
The 4 ch is a great amp. Lots of power and tons of dsp. But no way to turn it all off, when running a unit like the p-99. So you have to start of by setting things closest to what you want and then match the same from the p-99. Mids HP at 50hz and BP at 4khz, tweets HP at 4khz, everything on a 12db slope. All bass boost options set to 0. Gains set at about 3V, for a 5 volt rated 'pre' output.
Since the p-99 is from the same family as my p-880 the comparisons are fairly direct. The first thing that struck me was the p-99 looks smaller than my p-880. It has the typical prs looks, white 'oled', two knobs (much smaller than that on the 880) the unit sits much more flush with the dash than mine. The buttons and menus are very similar as are the screens on the 880. Xover is identical, eq and TA screens are a bit different.
The pio's give you the option of TA in inches and cm, depending on what your brain is used to. I TA in inches and thought the 0.05" steps were great. Well, welcome to the world of 0.03". You bet you hear the difference at 0.03". Already started loving it.
The p-99 gives you 15 more bands L/R and I was mentally prepared that this would make a huge difference. I also knew that i wouldn't figure out L/R balance on some of these on the first go. What I wasn't prepared for was the fact that on the p-99 the EQ works in 0.5db steps. Yes, you hear a difference of 0.5db and while my ears will pick that difference, they are not used to working at that level of accuracy. There is a huge difference in eq at 1db steps and 0.5db steps. Humbling indeed. Given some time with this unit.........
Xover selections is identical to the 880 except that on the 880 max slope on mids and tweets is 24db, on the p-99 this is 30db.
I managed to get the basic dimensions of the stage right, average stage height, decent tonality.........I'll need more time with this unit.
At the end of the session the guy wanted to know if I would sell him my SR's and if not where he could buy them from.....lol. I'd love to run the p-99 on the SR's.
So, is the p-99 better than the p-880/800? Yes by a very long mile. Much better eq and TA, marginally better crossovers. Lot's more tunability. Would I upgrade my p-880 to the p-99? No, for less money I'd get a h-701 and control each driver separately. Independent control on a driver, with a 31 band eq for each driver, trumps finner tunning on summed settings.
The P-880/800 sold for $450. The p-99 would make for a great hu at $6-700. At $1,200? Well its the best 1 din unit I've ever heard, but its not worth the $ 1,200. If you understand the basics of tuning you'll appreciate the unit but won't buy it. Eventually a processor will get you further.
http://www.woofersetc.com/p7745/REF4920--Soundstream-4-Ch-920-Watt-RMS-Class-A-B-Reference-Series-Power-Amplifier.htm
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_17121_Precision+Power+PPI+356CS.html
The 4 ch is a great amp. Lots of power and tons of dsp. But no way to turn it all off, when running a unit like the p-99. So you have to start of by setting things closest to what you want and then match the same from the p-99. Mids HP at 50hz and BP at 4khz, tweets HP at 4khz, everything on a 12db slope. All bass boost options set to 0. Gains set at about 3V, for a 5 volt rated 'pre' output.
Since the p-99 is from the same family as my p-880 the comparisons are fairly direct. The first thing that struck me was the p-99 looks smaller than my p-880. It has the typical prs looks, white 'oled', two knobs (much smaller than that on the 880) the unit sits much more flush with the dash than mine. The buttons and menus are very similar as are the screens on the 880. Xover is identical, eq and TA screens are a bit different.
The pio's give you the option of TA in inches and cm, depending on what your brain is used to. I TA in inches and thought the 0.05" steps were great. Well, welcome to the world of 0.03". You bet you hear the difference at 0.03". Already started loving it.
The p-99 gives you 15 more bands L/R and I was mentally prepared that this would make a huge difference. I also knew that i wouldn't figure out L/R balance on some of these on the first go. What I wasn't prepared for was the fact that on the p-99 the EQ works in 0.5db steps. Yes, you hear a difference of 0.5db and while my ears will pick that difference, they are not used to working at that level of accuracy. There is a huge difference in eq at 1db steps and 0.5db steps. Humbling indeed. Given some time with this unit.........
Xover selections is identical to the 880 except that on the 880 max slope on mids and tweets is 24db, on the p-99 this is 30db.
I managed to get the basic dimensions of the stage right, average stage height, decent tonality.........I'll need more time with this unit.
At the end of the session the guy wanted to know if I would sell him my SR's and if not where he could buy them from.....lol. I'd love to run the p-99 on the SR's.
So, is the p-99 better than the p-880/800? Yes by a very long mile. Much better eq and TA, marginally better crossovers. Lot's more tunability
. Would I upgrade my p-880 to the p-99? No, for less money I'd get a h-701 and control each driver separately. Independent control on a driver, with a 31 band eq for each driver, trumps finner tunning on summed settings.The P-880/800 sold for $450. The p-99 would make for a great hu at $6-700. At $1,200? Well its the best 1 din unit I've ever heard, but its not worth the $ 1,200. If you understand the basics of tuning you'll appreciate the unit but won't buy it. Eventually a processor will get you further.
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arun great write up. i am looking at picking up the soundstream hru.4 to actively run my front stage. would you encourage this setup or will the amp have too much dsp and cause tuning issues?
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I'd say, it depends on the hu you're running. The amp lets you set a decent active network. This is fine if you're running a hu that focuses more on the other functions like bluetooth, i-pod etc. But if you're running a hu that lets you set it more precisely, then you want a way to defeat / by pass everything at the amp.
Else, you would end up with two networks that may not be precisely matched. You're setting one of them with a dial at an approximation, at best. I just couldn't find a way to disable the filters at the amp. -
by looking at the manual it looks like i can select "full" for the crossover and not have to worry about the internal network of the amp effecting the sound.
someone please explaing to me what the hell the hawkins bass boost is??? looks like it boost output at specific frequency only but i could be misunderstanding completely. -
Are you talking about the hru.4 or the 4.920?
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the hru.4 ordered it today. talked to soundstream and they said i could choose between internal external crossover.
