Amp & Preamp Hookup

jessicadunn
jessicadunn Posts: 12
I have just taken out of storage an old stereo that we inherited and I have no idea how to set it up. It is a SAE Mark XXXI amplifier, and a threshold T3 preamp. as well as Infinity speakers and a receiver and CD player. The hookups in the rear of the preamp are so foreign to me, and Im not sure which to hook my amplifier into. I also got some MIT Terminator crazy speaker cables. I remember this system sounding amazing, but I cannot figure which cables go where, and have tried to mess around with it. I went to a Electronics repair shop and he told me to just get a new receiver and that it will sound better than what I have. Is that true or is worth my time to investigate this.
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  • messiah
    messiah Posts: 1,790
    edited November 2010
    I have just taken out of storage an old stereo that we inherited and I have no idea how to set it up. It is a SAE Mark XXXI amplifier, and a threshold T3 preamp. as well as Infinity speakers and a receiver and CD player. The hookups in the rear of the preamp are so foreign to me, and Im not sure which to hook my amplifier into. I also got some MIT Terminator crazy speaker cables. I remember this system sounding amazing, but I cannot figure which cables go where, and have tried to mess around with it. I went to a Electronics repair shop and he told me to just get a new receiver and that it will sound better than what I have. Is that true or is worth my time to investigate this.

    Send it to me and I'll let you know.
    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
    Benjamin Franklin, February 17th, 1775.

    "The day that I have to give up my constitutional rights AND let some dude rub my junk...well, let's just say that it's gonna be a real bad day for the dude trying to rub my junk!!"
    messiah, November 23rd, 2010
  • cheif pontiac
    cheif pontiac Posts: 138
    edited November 2010
    You said receiver? do you mean tuner? for AM/FM?
    Basically the CD and tuner will connect to the pre-amp with RCA cables, there should be inputs labeled CD/ Tuner / Probably Tape/ AUX. Marked left/right or Red/White in color So your sources are going into the pre-amp, the pre-amp is going out the Amp and the speaker binding post on the amp to the speakers.

    I can only find a small pic of the Threshold, it looks like it has XLR outputs, if so that may be confusing you. These are the big round holes, If your amp has the same you can connect the pre-amp to the amp if you have the matching cables. There should be something labeled pre-out on the back of the pre-amp either RCA connections or XLR. These will go to the connections on the Amp labeled input.

    The path is CD>Pre-amp>Amp>speakers.

    This is the basics hope it helps, hopefully it will get you started so that you can ask some moer detailed questions.

    Just a warning not everyone is on here to help, many seem to post out of boredom and will criticize you or just tell you to send them the equipment. The best thing is just to ignore them because they think they are at the top of the pecking order and are always right.
    System:
    Samsung LN46C630
    Receiver: Yamaha RX-V1
    DVD/Blu: Denon 2910/Playstation 3
    Front mains: RT16
    Front presence: F/X 500i
    Center: CS400
    Rear surrounds: RT1000p
    Rear center: RT7
    Subwoofer: PSW505 X 2

    2 Channel
    Marantz 2252B
    Technics SL-Q2 turntable
    Kef Q50
  • AudioGenics
    AudioGenics Posts: 2,567
    edited November 2010
    jessicadunn

    you have some interesting stereo equipment there.
    take your time to sort it all out

    SAE, Threshold, Infinity, MIT are all respected HiFi names

    especially if in good working condition.

    and yes .... it is worthwhile
  • halo71
    halo71 Posts: 4,604
    edited November 2010
    Jessica, welcome to the forum! :smile: Not familiar with that pre but does it have a MAIN OUT on the back for L/R? Run RCA cables from there to the input L/R on the power amp. Run speaker cables to the speakers. The other componets you have should be pretty straight forward on hooking them up to the preamp.

    You have some very nice gear there. I would forget what the dude at the repair shop said. Not sure if you are wanting to go just 2 channel listening or HT though. What model Infinity speakers have you got?
    --Gary--
    Onkyo Integra M504, Bottlehead Foreplay III, Denon SACD, Thiel CS2.3, NHT VT-2, VT-3 and Evolution T6, Infinity RSIIIa, SDA1C and a few dozen other speakers around the house I change in and out.
  • AudioGenics
    AudioGenics Posts: 2,567
    edited November 2010
    i surfed around quickly

    SAE is vintage 1976 - 1981 50 watts per channel
    Threshold T3 is 1994-1998 and the company is still in business
    MIT Terminator speaker cables ( don't ask about speaker cables on this forum - trust me)
    and these MSRP were $130

    You got some very nice vintage stereo equipment !
    If they are all in good working order or even needing minor repair
    you are lucky ... IMHO ....

    again Welcome to CLubPolk
  • messiah
    messiah Posts: 1,790
    edited November 2010
    BTW I sent Jessica a pm asking for her to send me pics so I could help walk her through the connections. I figured that might be easiest.
    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
    Benjamin Franklin, February 17th, 1775.

    "The day that I have to give up my constitutional rights AND let some dude rub my junk...well, let's just say that it's gonna be a real bad day for the dude trying to rub my junk!!"
    messiah, November 23rd, 2010
  • jessicadunn
    jessicadunn Posts: 12
    edited November 2010
    In messiah's defense, he did ask for photos to help with the connections. Let me get everything out of the case, and some photos and go from there, Im so happy that you are all willing to help. And Im excited that I might get this stereo working.

    To Cheif, you're right, it is a tuner, not a receiver. And it is the foreign connections in the back that are confusing me.

    I will clear my head, and look at it in front of the computer so that I can do this.

    Thanks for the warm welcome.
  • txcoastal1
    txcoastal1 Posts: 13,314
    edited November 2010
    Let us know how it goes, most here are interested
    2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures
    Desktop rig: LSi7, Polk 110sub, Dayens Ampino amp, W4S DAC/pre, Sonos, JRiver
    Gear on standby: Melody 101 tube pre, Unison Research Simply Italy Integrated
    Gone to new homes: (Matt Polk's)Threshold Stasis SA12e monoblocks, Pass XA30.5 amp, Usher MD2 speakers, Dynaudio C4 platinum speakers, Modwright LS100 (voltz), Simaudio 780D DAC

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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 7,658
    edited November 2010
    Hello,
    Welcome to Club Polk, I'm sure we can help get everything working. Posting photos will be a great help. It can be useful to think of the way an audio system works as a flow chart. The signals from source components (such as CD players, radio tuners and turntables) flow into control components known as preamps. Then other components, such as equalizers shape the sound. Then the outputs of the preamp flow to the power amplifiers which increase the signal's strength to power the speakers.
    Best regards, Ken
  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited November 2010
    ...Just a warning not everyone is on here to help, many seem to post out of boredom and will criticize you or just tell you to send them the equipment. The best thing is just to ignore them because they think they are at the top of the pecking order and are always right.

    Way to go chief. There are many that have spent a lot of time helping people so sometimes the responses are short and to the point. When someone says just send me the equipment that is humor not an insult. Ease up Chief. If you don't like it here there are plenty of other forums for you to visit.
    Cheers
    Ben
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
  • jessicadunn
    jessicadunn Posts: 12
    edited November 2010
    Oh, I also have a McCormack Micro Phono Drive.
  • jessicadunn
    jessicadunn Posts: 12
    edited November 2010
    IMG_3108.jpgMCCORMACK MICRO PHONO DRIVE

    IMG_3106.jpg
    THRESHOLD T3 PREAMP ABOVE TUNER

    IMG_3100.jpgSAE MARK XXXI AMP
  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited November 2010
    Nice gear you have there :smile:
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
  • jessicadunn
    jessicadunn Posts: 12
    edited November 2010
    HALO, the speakers are - composition overture model #OVTR-2 TYPE 331250.
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 7,658
    edited November 2010
    Hello,
    From the photos it looks as though someone has placed colored dots on the components. For example there is a yellow dot on the top of the tuner and a corresponding yellow dot on the preamp where the tuner connections should be made. There is also a blue dot on the outputs of the preamp and corresponding blue dots on the power amp's inputs. This could be a general guide.
    Ken
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 7,658
    edited November 2010
    The McCormack would only be needed if you want to play a turntable, it is a phono-preamp.
  • nguyendot
    nguyendot Posts: 3,594
    edited November 2010
    Are those 1/4" phono jacks on the SAE amp? (headphone looking jack) or do they look like the normal RCA jacks?

    Based on the connections on the back, that Threshold T3 is a pretty nice preamp, with balanced inputs and outputs.

    Anyways it goes like this.

    Tuner, CD player, etc...anything that receives a signal or makes a signal goes IN to the preamp on the INPUT side (right side, it's marked off for you). It doesn't matter which one it goes into, they're all the same. Just remember which is which so you can choose later.

    The PHONO unit is for you to use a turntable - most cannot jack directly into a preamp. The turntable would hook into this, then out into the preamp on one of it's inputs.

    From the preamp - you would hook up the OUTPUT to the SAE INPUT. (only one set of cables, you don't need to use both outputs)
    From the SAE Amp you'd hook the OUTPUTS to the speakers! (left/right speakers)

    Like someone said earlier, it's a flow - signal flows from your cd player / tuner / whatever, goes to the preamp (selector box/volume control), then goes to the amp, and then that powers the speakers.

    Let me see if I can find a good diagram, they're so much better than words.
    Main Surround -
    Epson 8350 Projector/ Elite Screens 120" / Pioneer Elite SC-35 / Sunfire Signature / Focal Chorus 716s / Focal Chorus CC / Polk MC80 / Polk PSW150 sub

    Bedroom - Sharp Aquos 70" 650 / Pioneer SC-1222k / Polk RT-55 / Polk CS-250

    Den - Rotel RSP-1068 / Threshold CAS-2 / Boston VR-M60 / BDP-05FD
  • halo71
    halo71 Posts: 4,604
    edited November 2010
    That's some nice gear Jessica! A friend of mine use to own that model Infinity's.



    Nice job to Ken. :wink:
    --Gary--
    Onkyo Integra M504, Bottlehead Foreplay III, Denon SACD, Thiel CS2.3, NHT VT-2, VT-3 and Evolution T6, Infinity RSIIIa, SDA1C and a few dozen other speakers around the house I change in and out.
  • jessicadunn
    jessicadunn Posts: 12
    edited November 2010
    yeah! I got it! you guys rock. I was so afraid to just to take out all the cables and start over. Ill be enjoying my night with some music thanks to everyones help. Thanks for the info on the phono drive i had no idea what that was for.
  • jessicadunn
    jessicadunn Posts: 12
    edited November 2010
    Maybe not, Im getting a little voltage/shock when I touch the the level button.
  • George Grand
    George Grand Posts: 12,258
    edited November 2010
    Does it keep shocking you after the initial discharge?

    If it's a one time deal as you walk up to the equipment to adjust it, don't sweat it. Maybe find something else to discharge yourself on before you touch it.
  • jessicadunn
    jessicadunn Posts: 12
    edited November 2010
    Yep, keeps shocking.
  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 7,658
    edited November 2010
    Hello,
    As a test, try removing all of the cables that are coming into the Threshold except for the AC power cord. See if you get the same results with the volume control.
    Ken
  • jessicadunn
    jessicadunn Posts: 12
    edited November 2010
    its not as bad, and then I plug it all back, and it currents me again. Its a pretty significant current.
  • jessicadunn
    jessicadunn Posts: 12
    edited November 2010
    this may help, the power cord for amp has a current when I touch it. Its kinda old and brittle, could that be the culprit? I think I may need to bring it to a repair shop, since only one output is working. Can that be fixed?
  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited November 2010
    Where is your location. A lot of good people here that may be able to help you out.
    Ben
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
  • jessicadunn
    jessicadunn Posts: 12
    edited November 2010
    sarasota, florida
  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited November 2010
    I don't remember any Polkies off the top of my head that live there.
    Please. Please contact me a ben62670 @ yahoo.com. Make sure to include who you are, and you are from Polk so I don't delete your email. Also I am now physically unable to work on any projects. If you need help let these guys know. There are many people who will help if you let them know where you are.
    Thanks
    Ben
  • jessicadunn
    jessicadunn Posts: 12
    edited November 2010
    Well, it was a long shot. Thanks for all the help
  • messiah
    messiah Posts: 1,790
    edited November 2010
    Well, it was a long shot. Thanks for all the help

    Just replace the power cord, it's not a big expense, and well worth a try.
    "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
    Benjamin Franklin, February 17th, 1775.

    "The day that I have to give up my constitutional rights AND let some dude rub my junk...well, let's just say that it's gonna be a real bad day for the dude trying to rub my junk!!"
    messiah, November 23rd, 2010