Carver vs emotiva

reeltrouble1

bass=parasound

Emo---no no

RT1

reeltrouble1

TroyD wrote: »

If I had coinage to drop, I'd look elsewhere in my rig. Source, perhaps?

BDT

Sorry BDT missed your idea, which is a good one.

RT1

TroyD

If he's using a receiver as a pre/pro....I'd also think about a separate pre/pro.

BDT

Pinktulip7

how about Parasound Halo A23 Balanced Amplifier

Pinktulip7

I want moore Bassssssssssssssss

dorokusai

skipf wrote: »

Hey Doro,
Show me a better amp than my Carver Silver 9t monoblocks for the $1400 I've got invested in them please. I'd be really curious to see one. Please keep in mind the 9t's are 575 WPC into 8 ohms and will drive a 1 ohm load without any strain at all. I even know a guy that welded his speaker cables together when he forgot to turn off the amp with no damage at all to the amp.

Hey man, I'm not your shaman, read a magazine. I also don't need a refresher course in what they do but thanks.

I have no interest in anything Carver based, big deal, not every poster is gonna rub you in oil, laugh about the old days and talk about an extended weekend in the Hamptons. My dislike of Carver products started when I sold my first Club Polk piece years ago.

To me, there's no need to buy, let alone keep anything with a Carver name on it, aside from THE loudspeaker, of which I've owned as well. The Carver Amazing loudspeaker is something every speaker nut should own at some point. Back on subject....there's too much other gear out there to lose sleep over it. And to boot, equally capable gear from that decade that's simply better.

Look, Carver and Adcom are two of the best names to start your hifi with when you're getting wet, without a doubt. Afterwards, you get into pieces like the Silver 7 or 9...or GFA-555 blah blah of which demand respect and have the legs to back it up. That being said their still not something I personally care about.

I've seen them, maybe owned them, heard them and firmly give them a thumbs up but never want to own them, or see them again.

Skip....what's better? Dude, If you're still rocking Carver....keep on rocking. My opinion means nothing. While you're wondering why, I'll taste another 5 more pieces of gear and like you, I'm a lover of old stuff as well. It's not about being a snob, as I never pass up a bargain and my best rigs have been <500...it's about not thinking my baby is the best baby...because I'd like to hook up some cables to your baby and flip the power switch.

I think I've rambled on like a crazy person long enough but to ACTUALLY answer your question, which I really won't? Do you really think it's about maximum wpc that makes an amplifier sound better than the next? or that price point does either? I know you don't.

You're a rational dude from what I've read historically....and I think I've actually forgotten what the original question was. I'm not very smart.

-Mark

heiney9

Regardless of my opinion of Carver the Emo is a sideways move at best and maybe even a step back. Time to evaluate the weaknesses in your rig and decide if you want to go all in or just putz around nibbling on the edges of this hobby.

You haven;t given any in depth analysis of your rig, room, listening habits, etc or what you are unhappy with in your rig other than

I want moore Bassssssssssssssss

. WTF does that mean, exactly.

Apply problem solving 101 techniques and you might actually get something out of it.

H9

F1nut

EndersShadow wrote: »

What about sending out to Carver Audio Repair in Gresham, Oregon? Is there a difference/preference?

That's actually a better choice. Rolland does more for the money and he's the only one with hard to find Carver parts.

F1nut

To the OP, you should have plenty of bass with what you have now, so maybe you've got room issues or an improperly set up rig.

ohskigod

thats what I'm thinkin, whatever the problem is, an Emo aint gonna solve it.

I'm guessing crossover settings are off, i.e. sub not calibrated

I know with 2 subs you can have some bass cancellation issues if they are not placed right.

move some stuff around, make sure everything is calibrated. HT is a frikkin **** in that regard.

angelsfann02

What do ya guys think about the parsound-1205a over the Emo-xpa2?

mmadden28

When is everybody going to figure it out that Club Polk is NOT the place to ask about any Emotiva products in any way shape or form? :rolleyes:

punk-roc

they know...

angelsfann02

Sorry guys...didnt mean to ruffle any feathers. Just want to get your valued opinion on what to powe my polk audio speakers.

F1nut

Try a pair of these, http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cl.pl?ampstube&1292980250

mrbigbluelight

^^^ You could have been a chef.

Dawgfish

Pinktulip7 wrote: »

I want moore Bassssssssssssssss

If it's bass you really want try switching your speakers to some SDA-1Cs, 1.2s , 2.3s, etc. Believe me I own RTI-12s also and I've tried lots of different amps on them (Carver, Emotiva, Marsh, Harmon Kardon, Adcom, B&K, etc.) all with different responses. I never really knew what true bass was (without using a sub) in two channel until I bought a pair of SDA-1Cs. Wow what an eye-opener! If I were in your shoes I would look for a set of SDA-1Cs or 2.3TLS and you'll get all of the bass you want.

heiney9

angelsfann02 wrote: »

Sorry guys...didnt mean to ruffle any feathers. Just want to get your valued opinion on what to powe my polk audio speakers.

Then start reading!! Your question has been answered ad nauseum all over the forum. And again absolutely no back background on your rig, listening habits, what you want to achieve, what's missing in your rig, how it's set up, budget, etc, etc, etc. I personally would never choose and Emotiva amp over a Parasound amp, but Emotiva does have its place.

H9

Pinktulip7

how about Parasound Halo A23 Balanced Amplifier

Pinktulip7

heiney9 wrote: »

Regardless of my opinion of Carver the Emo is a sideways move at best and maybe even a step back. Time to evaluate the weaknesses in your rig and decide if you want to go all in or just putz around nibbling on the edges of this hobby.

You haven;t given any in depth analysis of your rig, room, listening habits, etc or what you are unhappy with in your rig other than

. WTF does that mean, exactly.

Apply problem solving 101 techniques and you might actually get something out of it.

H9

Nobody asking u to solve any problem when there was no problem!!!What I am asking that if I upgrade Amp not speakers or any other component is it going to be improve sound for Ht and Stereo?And u know exactly WTF mean Dude??

heiney9

Nope leave it the same, amps can make a difference but if it's just for HT and your other gear is marginal (you still haven't stated what your rig is) then based on the strict info you've given in this thread. Leave it and don't worry about it.

If you want more bass get a better sub and be done. Switching amps to get more bass in an HT is ludicris.

H9

Pinktulip7

heiney9 wrote: »

Nope leave it the same, amps can make a difference but if it's just for HT and your other gear is marginal (you still haven't stated what your rig is) then based on the strict info you've given in this thread. Leave it and don't worry about it.

If you want more bass get a better sub and be done. Switching amps to get more bass in an HT is ludicris.

H9

TV :>Panasonic TH-50PZ850U
FRONT :> L & R :> RTI A9 500 W
[BI AMP]
RECEIVER :> HARMAN KARDON AVR 7300
AMP:1> EMOTIVA UPA-1 200 WPC
AMP:2> CARVER M 1.5 T 350 WPC
AMP:3> CARVER M 1.5 T 350 WPC
CENTER :> CSI A6 200 W
SURROUND :> FXI5 150 W
REAR :> FXI5 150 W
DVD PLAYER(HD) :>TOSHIBA HD X-A2
DVD PLAYER(BLU-RAY):>Panasonic DMP-BD85K
POWER CONDITIONER:>PANAMAX M5400-EX
SUBWOOFER :A> SVS PCI ULTRA 525 W
SUBWOOFER :B>

EndersShadow

I would suggest getting another SVS sub if your wanting more bass. Specifically the PB-13+ or the upcoming SB-16. Either of those would give you more than enough bass.

Your RTi's produce bass, but they also produce high's and mids..If your concern is just bass it would be better to focus on a speaker type that produces only bass (i.e. a sub)

But thats just my opinion.

Pinktulip7

Not using Sub for Stereo set up only for HT.... I am getting good Bass when using Stereo but sometimes feels RTI A9 should produce more Bass!!!I will sell Carver M 1.5T And get Parasound...want something new enough with Carver..

EndersShadow

Gotcha. I still use my sub with stereo myself. While Direct mode on my reicever is just my two fronts, I use all channel stereo most of the time.

I realize the purists will despise it, but with my setup it sounds OK and I havent stepped into the SDA, LSi or RTi line yet to know the difference

Dawgfish

Well if you really want to change your amps with the goal of getting increased bass I strongly suggest looking at B&K amps. The best luck I had getting increased bass results on my RTI-12s was by passiviely bi-amping them running 200 wpc a piece to the high and low binding posts on each speaker so in affect I was running 400 watts per speaker. I didn't even really need a sub when I had them configured this way. Still though if you truely want to find out what real bass is all about in two channel mode without using a sub, try some SDA's. I'm not trying to be a smartass, I'm just saying if you really want increased bass slam, switching to SDAs or adding another qualtity sub is going to be the easiest and best way to do so, but you'll be much, much happier in two channel stereo listening with the SDAs and they happen to sound great with HT also. I am currently running seperate two channel and HT rigs,but when I had them both combined into one system, I replaced my RTI-12s with SDA-1Cs as front mains and never looked back.

ohskigod

ok, I'm gonna try one more time.

SDA1C's will not give him more bass in a properly set up home theater. 2 channel? perhaps, but theater? nope

if you can not get bass to load with a SVS PC Ultra, then somehting is very wrong, most likely setup/calibration mixed with positioning, or perhaps the room (but unless it is gargantuan the chances are small.....that sub you have borders on the ridiculous.

step 1 (and it looked like you did this?) ditch that second sub I saw you had listed before

step 2 set up. run speakers on small, crossover the mains at 40 hz, the center and surrounds at 60 hz (if step 2 makes as much sense as a paragraph written in swahili to you, we just found our problem)

step 3 positioning. note, if it gets to this step i'd be stunned, but move the sub to another corner and see what changes.


lets try that and take it from there.

Dawgfish

ohskigod wrote: »

ok, I'm gonna try one more time.

SDA1C's will not give him more bass in a properly set up home theater. 2 channel? perhaps, but theater? nope

if you can not get bass to load with a SVS PC Ultra, then somehting is very wrong, most likely setup/calibration mixed with positioning, or perhaps the room (but unless it is gargantuan the chances are small.....that sub you have borders on the ridiculous.

step 1 (and it looked like you did this?) ditch that second sub I saw you had listed before

step 2 set up. run speakers on small, crossover the mains at 40 hz, the center and surrounds at 60 hz (if step 2 makes as much sense as a paragraph written in swahili to you, we just found our problem)

step 3 positioning. note, if it gets to this step i'd be stunned, but move the sub to another corner and see what changes.


lets try that and take it from there.

Agian I'm not trying to be a smartass or start a pissing match but see response #55. I thought more bass listening to stereo in two channel mode was what he was looking for after reading response #55. In that case SDA-1Cs will give much better bass over RTI-12s or A9s. I own both of them, the difference in bass betwen the 12s and SDAs is not slim. If he's looking for better bass all around than forgive me for ever responding. Peace.

Pinktulip7

Dawgfish wrote: »

Agian I'm not trying to be a smartass or start a pissing match but see response #55. I thought more bass listening to stereo in two channel mode was what he was looking for after reading response #55. In that case SDA-1Cs will give much better bass over RTI-12s or A9s. I own both of them, the difference in bass betwen the 12s and SDAs is not slim. If he's looking for better bass all around than forgive me for ever responding. Peace.

Problem solved..:biggrin: I rewired or reconnect all my interconnect cable along with Speaker Cables,Polk RTI A9 is Bi Amped by Carver M-1.5T(X2) without Sub(Stereo)now getting excellent Bass,Sounds are more warm and details.............

jayman_1975

TroyD wrote: »

If he's using a receiver as a pre/pro....I'd also think about a separate pre/pro.

BDT

There are noticable gains when adding external amplification to your receiver (which you have done) but now it's time to complete the circle. I noticed a HUGE improvement when i replaced my receiver with my AV9 processor, and even more improvements when i added my C31 preamp.

Those who know what a processor or pre amp will do are very unlikely to go back to a receiver as a pre/pro.