100 Most Important Audio Components

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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited November 2010
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    Absolutely not, the Pinto has no redeeming qualities whereas the XPA-2 has several. It is truly a fine amp and remarkable at it's price point achievable by being engineered in the USA, manufactured in China and sold by an excellent US Internet direct company.
    Your mischaracterization is completely off base. The Pinto was a safety hazard and an embarrassment to Ford.
    The XPA-2 is a source of pride and a monument to success.

    blah, blah, blah.............it's nothing special and it certainly doesn't deserve mention in the 100 most significant stereo pieces. That is NOT a bash on Emotiva. There is nothing new, original or even inspiring about Emotiva gear. The designs aren't original, new or even worth mentioning.

    Stop taking things so personally about Emotiva when people disagree. Including it on the list and even discussing it being on the list is ludicrous. You need to experience a lot more variety of gear and/or some of the gear that made the list................then you'll see how ludicrous your rant is.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited November 2010
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    The XPA-2 is a source of pride and a monument to success.

    What I just flushed down the toilet is a source of pride and monument to a successful bowel movement.........should that make the list? :tongue:

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,566
    edited November 2010
    What do the Polk Cobra cables look like??

    A whole lot of little jacketed wires inside a clear hose.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited November 2010
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    My XPA-2 drives my LSi's wonderfully loud hardly breaking a sweat. The Adcom 5802 gets really hot to do the same.
    Case closed. It is on the list!

    Now I know you're back to being a beady eyed troll. You don't get it and you never will.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,243
    edited November 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    A whole lot of little jacketed wires inside a clear hose.


    hehe!!!:tongue:
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,566
    edited November 2010
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    My XPA-2 drives my LSi's wonderfully loud hardly breaking a sweat. The Adcom 5802 gets really hot to do the same.
    Case closed. It is on the list!

    Most likely because the Adcom is biased more into class A, which would make it sound better.

    Maybe I am old school, but if it's not hot, it ain't worth squat.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,649
    edited November 2010
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    The Adcom 5802 gets really hot to do the same.
    Case closed. It is on the list!
    I can't comment on the EMO but as for the 5802 running hot thats because of it being a higher bias design.It is a design choice made in the pursuit of improved SQ,it's not a defect.


    Edit.F1 beat me to the draw.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,566
    edited November 2010
    No seriously Larry, that's what it looks like. The jackets are green and gold, IIRC.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,243
    edited November 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    Most likely because the Adcom is biased more into class A, which would make it sound better.

    Maybe I am old school, but if it's not hot, it ain't worth squat.

    No your right on the money. The Adcom stomps the Emo hands down!!
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,566
    edited November 2010
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    But the cool B&O ICE amps have to be on the list, don't they?

    Your trolling days will be over, very soon.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,243
    edited November 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    No seriously Larry, that's what it looks like. The jackets are green and gold, IIRC.

    I need to see one then...
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited November 2010
    Krayco stomps Emo...
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,566
    edited November 2010
    TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »
    I need to see one then...

    There are pictures on here, somewhere.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,649
    edited November 2010
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    But the cool B&O ICE amps have to be on the list, don't they?
    Maybe on a revised list as should Hypex as their take on Class D is every bit(maybe more)as innovative as B&O's.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited November 2010
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    It is on the list!

    And so are you.

    RT1
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  • Polkie2009
    Polkie2009 Posts: 3,834
    edited November 2010
    +1 on SDA and ESS AMT. Anybody old enough here to remember the Lear Jet 8 track cartridges? Emotiva,lol, really???
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,566
    edited November 2010
    TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »
    I need to see one then...

    I found this, http://trade.audioasylum.com/ca/listing/Speaker-Cables/Polk/Cobra-Cables/6-Ft.-8-Cables-in-Parallel/38653

    Click on the little pics to see bigger pics. :)
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,649
    edited November 2010
    reeltrouble1 wrote: »
    And so are you.

    RT1
    I guess you won't see this as apparently all the sand -o-philes also reside on that list.:tongue:
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited November 2010
    hehehehehe.

    Tubes Rule they dont need no stinkin list.

    RT1
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited November 2010
    reeltrouble1 wrote: »
    hehehehehe.

    Tubes Rule they dont need no stinkin list.

    RT1


    I should have put you on my list... it's your fault I am spending a grip building my own tube amps!:cool::wink::biggrin:
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson
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  • dkg999
    dkg999 Posts: 5,647
    edited November 2010
    Wow, even Ken can't start a thread that doesn't go downhill into an Emotiva debate! He must be taking lessons from Ricardo!
    DKG999
    HT System: LSi9, LSiCx2, LSiFX, LSi7, SVS 20-39 PC+, B&K 507.s2 AVR, B&K Ref 125.2, Tripplite LCR-2400, Cambridge 650BD, Signal Cable PC/SC, BJC IC, Samsung 55" LED

    Music System: Magnepan 1.6QR, SVS SB12+, ARC pre, Parasound HCA1500 vertically bi-amped, Jolida CDP, Pro-Ject RM5.1SE TT, Pro-Ject TubeBox SE phono pre, SBT, PS Audio DLIII DAC
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  • erniejade
    erniejade Posts: 6,321
    edited November 2010
    In a way i agree the ice amps should be on the list IF the list was updated or made longer. Remember the ice amps were not out when they made that list up in 2002.
    Klipsch The Nines, Audioquest Thunderbird Interconnect, Innuos Zen MK3 W4S recovery, Revolution Audio Labs USB & Ethernet, Border Patrol SE-I, Audioquest Niagara 5000 & Thunder, Cullen Crossover II PC's.
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  • Joe08867
    Joe08867 Posts: 3,919
    edited November 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    Most likely because the Adcom is biased more into class A, which would make it sound better.

    Maybe I am old school, but if it's not hot, it ain't worth squat.


    You are so right. Emo is nice for those that don't know.:wink:

    Kinda how Bose has pulled the wool over so many peoples eyes.:rolleyes:

    xcapri79, it isn't who runs cooler, it's who sounds better. And I don't mean shakes the rafters either. I mean the most accurate sound. The sound the original creator wanted you to hear. Is EMO nice? It's OK, it isn't awesome and I am sure there is better stuff for the price.
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited November 2010
    xcapri79 wrote: »
    Emotiva is there with a good representative product from an Internet company (a new relatively new development) with a ridiculously low price point for quality electronic equipment.

    False. Black Bear.

    If you wanted to go the Internet company angle, I would say Outlaw was first on the scene. Bang/buck amplification? Hafler and Heathkit probably invented the concept...but, I'd go with Adcom on that premise.

    The rest of the list....some glaring omissions...but gets a lot of things right.

    BDT
    I plan for the future. - F1Nut
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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 7,658
    edited November 2010
    That's the reason I posted the list, a sort of beginning reference for people to get an idea about what might be good gear to look for. Thinking about upgrading a preamp, for example, look at the list as a way of getting started. You run across a pair of KEF 107 speakers and wonder if anybody thought they were good?
    It's not the be all, but can be a good place to start a short list. Anybody have a Rockport turntable available?
    Just checking...
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  • steveinaz
    steveinaz Posts: 19,538
    edited November 2010
    I think Soundcraftsmen's A5002 power amp should have been included. 250 watts @ 8ohms, 2 ohm stable. Very tubey sound, built like a tank, Class "H" non-current limiting design---and only 7 hundred 99 1984 dollars!

    My audio-nerd buddy across the hall in the barracks in Germany was a Carver/Bose freak, I was a Soundcraftsmen/Acoustic Research freak. I always felt my Soundcraftsmen far out performed his M500T Carver.

    If they still made them today, I would own one.
    Source: Bluesound Node 2i - Preamp/DAC: Benchmark DAC2 DX - Amp: Parasound Halo A21 - Speakers: MartinLogan Motion 60XTi - Shop Rig: Yamaha A-S501 Integrated - Shop Spkrs: Elac Debut 2.0 B5.2
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited November 2010
    Kenneth Swauger wrote: »
    That's the reason I posted the list, a sort of beginning reference for people to get an idea about what might be good gear to look for. Thinking about upgrading a preamp, for example, look at the list as a way of getting started. You run across a pair of KEF 107 speakers and wonder if anybody thought they were good?
    It's not the be all, but can be a good place to start a short list. Anybody have a Rockport turntable available?
    Just checking...

    I still want to own a pair of KEF 107's. In my younger days when I sold audio at the local high end store I always salivated over those. Logistics is the only thing that has really kept me from picking up a pair. They would be expensive to ship. I'd even take a pair of 104/2's if they were local.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,243
    edited November 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    I found this, http://trade.audioasylum.com/ca/listing/Speaker-Cables/Polk/Cobra-Cables/6-Ft.-8-Cables-in-Parallel/38653

    Click on the little pics to see bigger pics. :)


    $500 ??? really?? I find them kinda ugly..
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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 7,658
    edited November 2010
    Hey H9,
    There's a bar in Fells Point called John Stevens and they had (they might still be there) a pair of 107s mounted over the bar. They were always voted "best sounding bar" by Baltimore magazine. They had excellent steamed shrimp and great tasting mussels and good music.
    Polk has always had a good sounding presence in allot of local drinking establishments. Out of habit I always look around to see what's being used when I go into a new place. Lot's of Polk M3 speakers around.
    Ken
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited November 2010
    Ken,

    One of my favorite local places is a bar/art gallery and they still use a quad of Polk Monitor 5B's, which they bought from me at the high end store in 1986. I would never have thought that in 1986 those speakers would be pumping out tunes from iTunes in 2010. :smile::cool:

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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