What's the (best sounding) High Resolution Speakers You've Heard?

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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited October 2010
    Troy,

    I am not saying Ribbon / Planar technology is outdated. What I am saying was that 60" long ribbon in the carver may have higher mass (weight) than the newer ones of the same length made today.

    Of coz, I can't verify anything and I don't know for sure. So, it's horsehockey at best but it's IMO anyway.

    There is no mechanical failure in my plats ribbons.
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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited October 2010
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    The diaphragms in old (and new) compression drivers are pretty low mass... and the motors that drive them can be pretty beefy.

    Have you listened to, say, an Altec 288?

    Yep, some of the old Altec and JBL drivers have pretty low mass (very light weight paper cones) and very large motors. The surface area is also pretty big and sensitivity is like 100dB.

    May be all speakers should be like that but I don't know why they don't make them anymore.

    I haven't heard a good Altec yet (at least not in my home).
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,804
    edited October 2010
    megasat16 wrote: »
    Yep, some of the old Altec and JBL drivers have pretty low mass (very light weight paper cones) and very large motors. The surface area is also pretty big and sensitivity is like 100dB.

    May be all speakers should be like that but I don't know why they don't make them anymore.

    I haven't heard a good Altec yet (at least not in my home).

    They do.
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  • TroyD
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    edited October 2010
    megasat16 wrote: »
    Troy,

    I am not saying Ribbon / Planar technology is outdated. What I am saying was that 60" long ribbon in the carver may have higher mass (weight) than the newer ones of the same length made today.

    Of coz, I can't verify anything and I don't know for sure. So, it's horsehockey at best but it's IMO anyway.

    There is no mechanical failure in my plats ribbons.

    I get what you are saying, but the mass of a ribbon, even a THICK ribbon is still far less than any type of cone.....best thing to do is go out and listen to different speakers.

    Comparing the Amazings to Quads, the Quads are a shade more detailed, more transparent and have more 'airy' top end.....the thing that damn few speakers can do that the Amazings do is recreate the sense of a full orchestra in terms of scale and dynamics. No planar/stat is going to give you that, except maybe the big Soundlabs....which Tedwick can talk to you about more than I can.

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  • TNRabbit
    TNRabbit Posts: 2,168
    edited October 2010
    No cone speaker could ever HOPE to be as low mass as a ribbon. They weigh slightly more than the AIR they move...

    & I'm not getting into a pissing contest or trying to convince megasat16 to do anything different. To each his own.

    If you want FAAAAAST and CLARITY, you need to come listen to my actively bi-amped Carver AL-IIIs. Going active was a quantum leap forward:

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103183&highlight=~gone+active~

    IMO, an active crossover system is miles ahead in transient response & clarity over passive crossovers, with ANY speaker. My opinion & $.02 only.
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  • vc69
    vc69 Posts: 2,500
    edited October 2010
    tonyb wrote: »
    If you like vandys Ben, you need to get an ear on the 5's.

    I'm a big speaker kind of guy. My legacy's still make me smile and give me no reason to look around....or was that my wallet talking ? I dunno. The whispers hd,and Montana Kas or Was would be on my short list if the wallet ever resurfaces.

    I have a set of 3Asig's in my rig right now. Absolutely incredible with ARC stuff in front of them. They are extremely picky about placement. In my room they can't really breath.
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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited October 2010
    TroyD wrote: »
    I get what you are saying, but the mass of a ribbon, even a THICK ribbon is still far less than any type of cone.....best thing to do is go out and listen to different speakers.

    Comparing the Amazings to Quads, the Quads are a shade more detailed, more transparent and have more 'airy' top end.....the thing that damn few speakers can do that the Amazings do is recreate the sense of a full orchestra in terms of scale and dynamics. No planar/stat is going to give you that, except maybe the big Soundlabs....which Tedwick can talk to you about more than I can.

    BDT

    That's the whole point I am looking for a new speaker. I am actually very happy with my Carver. I know they are very fast but they are not the fastest. I think some ESL would be faster than most ribbon / planar drivers.

    There is only one way to find out for sure and hence this thread started. :)
    TNRabbit wrote: »
    No cone speaker could ever HOPE to be as low mass as a ribbon. They weigh slightly more than the AIR they move...

    & I'm not getting into a pissing contest or trying to convince megasat16 to do anything different. To each his own.

    If you want FAAAAAST and CLARITY, you need to come listen to my actively bi-amped Carver AL-IIIs. Going active was a quantum leap forward:

    http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103183&highlight=~gone+active~

    IMO, an active crossover system is miles ahead in transient response & clarity over passive crossovers, with ANY speaker. My opinion & $.02 only.

    I agree but some cone drivers are pretty low mass too. The ribbons are not very light. I think the correct way is to compare and calculate the surface area of a 60" ribbon and the size of the 15" cone. Of coz, there are other factors such as BL and Xmax comes into play with the ribbons.

    The thing is that Carver Ribbons are made many years ago and Bob has no recollection of the details to it. If we know the T/S parameters, we can at least compare them to the other ones.

    Yes, I agree going active is a way to go for and I appreciates the demo for the AL3 in active setup. If you and I don't live that far, you can count on me for the Demo. I think AL3 sounds damn good even with a buzz ribbon I heard a year or so ago.
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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited October 2010
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    They do.
    www.greatplainsaudio.com

    Time for me to read about the old new stuff. Thanks for the linky. :smile:
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  • W WALDECKER
    W WALDECKER Posts: 900
    edited October 2010
    A friend of mine in Northern VA runs RM40's actively triamped through a Marchand Tubed crossover with highly modded Response Audio ASL Hurricane tube monos on top, Edge Electronics SS monos in the middle and a Crown pro SS amp on the Larger Subwoofers. crazy good sound!
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited October 2010
    Magico Model 6........Amazing!!!
    Linn AV5140 fronts
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    Odyssey Mono-Blocs
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited October 2010
    danz1906 wrote: »
    Magico Model 6........Amazing!!!

    I have 4 woofers from Magico 6's under my bed. :eek:
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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited October 2010
    Face wrote: »
    I have 4 woofers from Magico 6's under my bed. :eek:

    Woofers are useless without the Magico enclosures. Whatever Magico charges for the 6s, the value is in the enclosure. :tongue:

    If you are convinced, send me those woof woof now. :biggrin:
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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited October 2010
    Ricardo,

    Inquiring mind like to know about the Anthony Gallo Ref speakers if you like to share your experience with them.

    I am eyeing on the new Maggie 1.7 too since there are lots of buzz words for it. But I think I need subs for the Maggies.
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited October 2010
    you will, unless you decide you dont need all the bass, panels can be so involving you just get wrapped in them, take BDT's Quads, not the lowest playing speaker or loud thumper by any means, they focus on doing what they do best, music and music lives in the mids.

    RT1
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,566
    edited October 2010
    Face wrote: »
    I have 4 woofers from Magico 6's under my bed. :eek:

    I knew you were close to the edge, but that's it. You need help. :biggrin:
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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited October 2010
    You see, that's why I loved the Plats. The nice thing about Plats is it can dig low and it can sounds darn good. And like BDT said, it can play Orchestra level without suffocating or congestion. It's clear, fast and plenty of bass.

    I know what I saw and I know what I heard when the ribbon in the plats couldn't keep up to speed. But I will get a DEQX and try active bi-amping to see if that makes any difference.

    I think ML CLX is out of the picture coz they play from 56Hz and up for 20K worth. There are Big SoundLabs but I need to listen to them at a dealer first. But the Big Soundlabs are probably too big for my room. I found the nearest Soundlab dealer is in San Diego so I need to find time to get down there.

    But for now, I am envisioning Maggies in my room!
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  • strider
    strider Posts: 2,568
    edited October 2010
    reeltrouble1 wrote: »
    you will, unless you decide you dont need all the bass, panels can be so involving you just get wrapped in them, take BDT's Quads, not the lowest playing speaker or loud thumper by any means, they focus on doing what they do best, music and music lives in the mids.

    RT1

    Those Quads at PF '09, even with whatever gremlin that system had, were where I found myself most of the time. The Carvers driven by the Wolcott's were absolutely no slouch in their own right, but the Quads were just so damn engaging.
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited November 2010
    megasat16 wrote: »
    Inquiring mind like to know about the Anthony Gallo Ref speakers

    I think they stayed here a full year. That's almost a record :wink:

    They are very nice speakers. Soundstage is huge, and they are very detailed. Pretty good bass with those 10" woofers. All in all a very good sounding speaker. No boxy sound and those tweeters project an incredible 3D image.
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited November 2010
    strider wrote: »
    Those Quads at PF '09, even with whatever gremlin that system had, were where I found myself most of the time. The Carvers driven by the Wolcott's were absolutely no slouch in their own right, but the Quads were just so damn engaging.

    Man, that WAS frustrating...and amp with some wiring issues and a couple of panels that were heading south, you oughta hear 'em now.

    That said, you are right....the Quads aren't the last word in bass depth or dynamic range...but damn if I've ever heard a more musical speaker.

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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited November 2010
    Ricardo wrote: »
    I think they stayed here a full year. That's almost a record :wink:

    They are very nice speakers. Soundstage is huge, and they are very detailed. Pretty good bass with those 10" woofers. All in all a very good sounding speaker. No boxy sound and those tweeters project an incredible 3D image.


    Thanks Amigo! It's nice to know they sounds good and they lasted a year for you. But I guess they don't replace the MMG? Do you use a sub with your MMG?
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  • megasat16
    megasat16 Posts: 3,521
    edited November 2010
    TroyD wrote: »
    Man, that WAS frustrating...and amp with some wiring issues and a couple of panels that were heading south, you oughta hear 'em now.

    That said, you are right....the Quads aren't the last word in bass depth or dynamic range...but damn if I've ever heard a more musical speaker.

    BDT

    What do you think is the better one of the Quads from the 63, 988, 989 and 2905?
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited November 2010
    The 988 is a pretty signifcant step up over the 63 in terms of bass and treble extension. Midrange is same. The 2805 is another pretty signifcant step up over the 988 in terms of dynamics. So, coinage not being an option....go 2805 (or 2905 same speaker, two more panels for more bass).

    The 63's are getting a little long in the tooth and the panels don't last forever....and they are expensive to fix. The build quality on the 988/2805's is vastly superior.

    BDT
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited November 2010
    Troys' Quad's were very intimate,,,did anyone pick up on what phono pre he was using? :cool:
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited November 2010
    megasat16 wrote: »
    Thanks Amigo! It's nice to know they sounds good and they lasted a year for you. But I guess they don't replace the MMG? Do you use a sub with your MMG?


    Yes the modded MMG's sound better to my ears. I have a pair of micropro 3000's with the maggies, but for most music I don't need them. The wood frames added a lot of low end.
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited November 2010
    The phono stage was a one-off built by Gary Dodd....

    BDT
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,804
    edited November 2010
    megasat16 wrote: »
    What do you think is the better one of the Quads from the 63, 988, 989 and 2905?

    You forgot the 57s :-)
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  • TroyD
    TroyD Posts: 13,077
    edited November 2010
    Oh, I didn't forget them....different animal altogether though. I've heard them and I know and get why people love 'em, but they just aren't practical for me.

    BDT
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited November 2010
    Sound Lab.

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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited November 2010
    Ricardo wrote: »
    The big SDA's are overrated.


    You are wrong on that.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,420
    edited November 2010
    megasat16 wrote: »
    Ricardo,

    Inquiring mind like to know about the Anthony Gallo Ref speakers if you like to share your experience with them.

    I am eyeing on the new Maggie 1.7 too since there are lots of buzz words for it. But I think I need subs for the Maggies.

    You will need subs for the 1.7's I have heard them and though they are impressive, I would hold out if you can for a set of 3.6's
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