Peerless in SDAs

geppy1
geppy1 Posts: 3,075
edited October 2010 in Vintage Speakers
As anyone tried putting Peerless tweeters in there SDAs. ?? I know the 194 answer and have tried them 3 times. Horns do not sound like horns to me and so on. Gutairs lack snap ect. Just a thought
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited October 2010
    I haven't tried that yet but, I plan on doing it. Post your findings if you give it a try!:)
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  • treitz3
    treitz3 Posts: 19,034
    edited October 2010
    Man, I wouldn't even try it. If the guitars lack snap, you have something else upstream that's the issue.
    ~ In search of accurate reproduction of music. Real sound is my reference and while perfection may not be attainable? If I chase it, I might just catch excellence. ~
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  • Rev. Hayes
    Rev. Hayes Posts: 475
    edited October 2010
    I was thinking about this yesterday.

    Would it require much crossover modification to replace an SL2000 with an old Monitor 10 peerless?
    Sounds good to me...
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  • Bobsama
    Bobsama Posts: 526
    edited October 2010
    It's require XO modification and you'd also have to figure out a way to mount the Peerless tweets while keeping the cabinet sealed.
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,254
    edited October 2010
    Why??? What's wrong with the RDO's??
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  • Rev. Hayes
    Rev. Hayes Posts: 475
    edited October 2010
    TOOLFORLIFEFAN wrote: »
    Why??? What's wrong with the RDO's??

    I don't know that there is anything wrong with the RDO's as I have never listened to any. However I do love the sound of the peerless tweets and I have some.

    The OP on the other hand seems to dislike the RDO 194's after trying 3 sets so it makes sense that he would like to try something else.




    I think I'm going to pull out the multimeter and see if the ohms match.
    Sounds good to me...
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,254
    edited October 2010
    Oh we all know geppy loves peerless tweeters ;) but I guess I never read a post by him for his dislike of them..
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,569
    edited October 2010
    geppy1 wrote: »
    As anyone tried putting Peerless tweeters in there SDAs. ?? I know the 194 answer and have tried them 3 times. Horns do not sound like horns to me and so on. Gutairs lack snap ect. Just a thought

    Which SDA's? Have you upgraded your crossovers?
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited October 2010
    Not to derail,, has anyone tried a mundorf or Clarity MR series in the tweeter circuit of any SDA's (in the crossover)?
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  • Rev. Hayes
    Rev. Hayes Posts: 475
    edited October 2010
    Ok. So I just checked the resistance of the SL2000 and the Peerless.

    Peerless = 7.6

    SL20000 = 6.8

    So there's that. Would not the removal/alteration of a resistor in-line with the tweeter negate that problem? (ie. swap the 2.7 with a 1.9 in my 2A's)

    As for the fit, the two are really quite close to the same dimensions. Only issue I can see is that you would need a slot to accept the leads as they are in a different location on the Peerless.
    Sounds good to me...
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited October 2010
    The peerless bezel is smaller so cabinet modification would be needed, the electrical characteristics are different. RD0's are excellent to superb tweeters compared to sl2000, sl1500. sl1000, sl2500, sl3000. You should really consider other issues before trying to blame the tweeter. The peerless and RD0 sound similar.

    Check wiring, cabinet leaks, x-over's. What have you done to the x-overs?

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited October 2010
    Upgrade the crossovers, the 194 and 198's are both superior to the Peerless.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,569
    edited October 2010
    Rev. Hayes wrote: »
    Ok. So I just checked the resistance of the SL2000 and the Peerless.

    Peerless = 7.6

    SL20000 = 6.8

    So there's that. Would not the removal/alteration of a resistor in-line with the tweeter negate that problem? (ie. swap the 2.7 with a 1.9 in my 2A's)

    There are parameters other than resistance that make the two tweeters different from each other.

    Face wrote:
    Upgrade the crossovers, the 194 and 198's are both superior to the Peerless.

    I couldn't agree more.
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  • Rev. Hayes
    Rev. Hayes Posts: 475
    edited October 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    There are parameters other than resistance that make the two tweeters different from each other.

    Such as sensitivity, voice coil inductance, resonant frequency, suggested crossover points........

    I get it. So where do we find the spec sheets so we can determine just how much of a hurdle these issues are?

    I also understand that many consider the RDO's to be equal or superior to the peerless but if I have two peerless tweeters just sitting here and I would have to spend $100+ to get the RDO's then they are not equal in my book. So why not experiment?
    Sounds good to me...
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited October 2010
    Rev. Hayes wrote: »
    Such as sensitivity, voice coil inductance, resonant frequency, suggested crossover points........

    I get it. So where do we find the spec sheets so we can determine just how much of a hurdle these issues are?
    And that won't tell you the whole story either and spec sheets are proprietary information from Polk.

    You need measured in cabinet response(FRD) and impedance files(ZMA) to enter into a crossover design program to make to appropriate changes.

    Just sell the Peerless tweeters and pick up the appropriate tweeters and do right.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited October 2010
    These guys are giving you some good advice--tried and proven,, we used to have some guy here that put caps on his tweets,,,me,,I'm keeping my 194's and possibly upgrading the cap(s) in the tweeter circuit on the crossover.
    Have fun,, thats all that matters.:)
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited October 2010
    Rev. Hayes wrote: »
    So why not experiment?

    So you are willing to mess with the tweeter opening's physical constraints just to experiment? The peerless bezel is not the same size; I can't remember if it's smaller or larger than the sl2000 or RD0. How do you propose to get around the physical aspects of the different tweeters? Just wondering.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Toolfan66
    Toolfan66 Posts: 17,254
    edited October 2010
    The Peerless are smaller in size to the SL/RDO's
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  • Rev. Hayes
    Rev. Hayes Posts: 475
    edited October 2010
    heiney9 wrote: »
    So you are willing to mess with the tweeter opening's physical constraints just to experiment? The peerless bezel is not the same size; I can't remember if it's smaller or larger than the sl2000 or RD0. How do you propose to get around the physical aspects of the different tweeters? Just wondering.

    H9

    Assuming this was just a fiddle about project one could easily manufacture a stand off from some sheet good that matched the bezel of the SL and mount it to the cab. At that point you could mount the Peerless in said stand off. Thus no actual alteration of the existing cabinet would be required.

    Still I think you all are exaggerating the size difference. I mean we're talking about ~1cm in each direction.
    Sounds good to me...
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited October 2010
    As long as it's air tight. Have fun, you aren't the first to try this and everyone always comes back to the RD0's.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited October 2010
    http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/ele/2010307788.html
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,569
    edited October 2010
    Just sell the Peerless tweeters and pick up the appropriate tweeters and do right.

    That is the best advice you are going to ever get on this matter.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,165
    edited October 2010
    leroyjr1 wrote: »
    http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/ele/2010307788.html

    What does that have to do with this thread? :confused: Those are not Peerless, they are the sl1000 which are worse than the sl2000, IMO.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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