Ethernet network hub rules?

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  • BlueFox
    BlueFox Posts: 15,251
    edited September 2010
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    bruss wrote: »
    So why are you adding it? lol

    Because I am buying an Olive music server with wireless network access, and they have a free iPad app for managing music on the server.

    While I could go with a wired connection to the music server I prefer to eliminate any possible electrical interference from a CAT5 or CAT6 cable to the interconnects and speaker wire. I am assuming the wireless will not create audible interference. And, the iPad is wireless.
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  • bruss
    bruss Posts: 1,039
    edited September 2010
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    If you have a wired router, and say 2-3 wireless routers (one on each floor), all you have to do is turn the Wireless Routers into Access Points and then run an ethernet cable to each unit.

    Then you have a Wireless Network on every floor!

    I have wireless on all 3 floors, outside, in the street with a single cisco aironet 1100 WAP. Would it do me any good to enable the radios on my linksys running dd-wrt in the basement? I always prefer wire over wireless but i plan on getting a android tablet when they release.
  • bruss
    bruss Posts: 1,039
    edited September 2010
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    BlueFox wrote: »
    Because I am buying an Olive music server with wireless network access, and they have a free iPad app for managing music on the server.

    While I could go with a wired connection to the music server I prefer to eliminate any possible electrical interference from a CAT5 or CAT6 cable to the interconnects and speaker wire. I am assuming the wireless will not create audible interference. And, the iPad is wireless.

    Youll have to let us know how it turns out.. I guess it depeneds on the funtionality of the app alot.
  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
    edited September 2010
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    Did you ever get this figured out?

    I noticed that some routers don't like being demoted to switches or access points - so I wouldn't recommend using a router as a switch if you don't have to.
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited September 2010
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    Thanks for asking. I ended up redoing my "IP Closet" where I redid all cables to be on the 192.168.0.1 router adding a 5 port switch. I turned off DHCP in the dsl modem router, setting the 192.168.0.1 router as a fixed address 192.168.1.3 // 255.255.255.0 sub // 192.168.1.254 gateway // DNS set as 192.168.1.254. I also set the HTPC as a fixed address (a tip of a co-worker) which stated network speed works faster if set as fixed over dhcp setting.

    The goal here was to use a 1000 router / network in house, where the dsl modem / router is the feed it.

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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
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    Congrats!

    Just as an experiment, I connected two Netgear Routers together by plugging one unit's WAN port into the other's "1-4" LAN ports. Thus creating a double-router chain with both routers' DHCP turned on.

    What happened was that the connection would time out every so often and require resetting of the 2nd Router in order for connectivity to be restored. And if they were both connected via the LAN ports, NOTHING would work as they would be both trying to assign DHCP IP addresses all the time.

    So the *best* solution, which you have used, is to turn off DHCP on the dsl modem router and use your Netgear (which BTW is a nice unit) as the DHCP server. Everything should work fine with this configuration.
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
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    Congrats!

    Just as an experiment, I connected two Netgear Routers together by plugging one unit's WAN port into the other's "1-4" LAN ports. Thus creating a double-router chain with both routers' DHCP turned on.

    What happened was that the connection would time out every so often and require resetting of the 2nd Router in order for connectivity to be restored. And if they were both connected via the LAN ports, NOTHING would work as they would be both trying to assign DHCP IP addresses all the time.



    >> Did you changed the second Routers address to a different third octet of the first feed Router? I never had an issue doing it this way.<<


    So the *best* solution, which you have used, is to turn off DHCP on the dsl modem router and use your Netgear (which BTW is a nice unit) as the DHCP server. Everything should work fine with this configuration.

    Thanks running fine.

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  • bruss
    bruss Posts: 1,039
    edited September 2010
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    disneyjoe7 wrote: »
    Thanks for asking. I ended up redoing my "IP Closet" where I redid all cables to be on the 192.168.0.1 router adding a 5 port switch. I turned off DHCP in the dsl modem router, setting the 192.168.0.1 router as a fixed address 192.168.1.3 // 255.255.255.0 sub // 192.168.1.254 gateway // DNS set as 192.168.1.254. I also set the HTPC as a fixed address (a tip of a co-worker) which stated network speed works faster if set as fixed over dhcp setting.

    The goal here was to use a 1000 router / network in house, where the dsl modem / router is the feed it.


    Are you running NAT on both the dsl modem and the netgear router?
  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
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    NAT is something which I don't play with, so I'm thinking default settings. I checked the dsl Router and it stated ON, the wireless / main Router I'm not sure but seen something like NAT filter ON.

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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
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    Congrats!

    So the *best* solution, which you have used, is to turn off DHCP on the dsl modem router and use your Netgear (which BTW is a nice unit) as the DHCP server. Everything should work fine with this configuration.

    Yes, I like the router as it seems to everything I need... But can I change the wireless power output? The issue I have is I must have a lot of refection of signal so I have a weak signal. With a Linksys router I found that 41mw worked best in my house and would have a 80% signal, right now I at 31% signal.

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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
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    disneyjoe7 wrote: »
    Yes, I like the router as it seems to everything I need... But can I change the wireless power output? The issue I have is I must have a lot of refection of signal so I have a weak signal. With a Linksys router I found that 41mw worked best in my house and would have a 80% signal, right now I at 31% signal.

    I wouldn't recommend it. Even if you had an open-source router (like the Netgear RP614L), which allows you to run DD-WRT, setting the router to a higher power output would greatly shorten its life.

    Instead, why don't you pick up a few access points (or use your old router as an access point) to expand your coverage?
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
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    I wouldn't upgrade the transmit radio for a better signal, but I felt a reduce transmit radio would work better. DD-WRT wrt54g router had a 71mw output but when I did a 41mw output my signal got better. I like your idea to use the router to expand the network. Or my idea to use the wrt54g router to do 54g network only, but then I wonder about my network printer again which would be on another optet number.

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  • Serendipity
    Serendipity Posts: 6,975
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    You should be fine. Use the wrt54g router as an Access Point only - you will still be able to print to your network printer.
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  • rooftop59
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