Replacing the VC of a Seas Milenium

VR3
VR3 Posts: 28,798
edited September 2010 in Speakers
Well - I had the gain on my pre a lil hot (my CDP gain was a little low) - just messing with settings and I guess more distortion was sent than I thought.

One tweeter went out

So I went ahead and ordered some replacement VC and replaced both coils to be on the safe side and thought I would take some pics of the process...

Hope you enjoy
- Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,798
    edited September 2010
    Wanna know something that sucks?

    It was the resistor.

    Ouch
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited September 2010
    Sand cast? 5 watt?
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,798
    edited September 2010
    Not a sand cast, its a mills type resistor - I dont know any specs on it as it is unmarked

    Looks like the Eagle 10 w, 5% inductors Madisound sells...
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited September 2010
    Green? Probably a regular MOX type resistor.

    Measure the good one out of your other speaker. You may have to remove it from the board to get an accurate reading.

    If it's a 10watter, that's pretty impressive that you cooked it. :D Just curious, was it covered in hot glue or stuffing?
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,798
    edited September 2010
    There is polyfill throughout the speaker...

    Other than that - the bottom was neatly glued to the board, otherwise out in the open.

    I asked Ty to send me the value so I can order the correct one.


    It is definitely a 10 watter - https://www.madisound.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=214
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,798
    edited September 2010
    But yeah - I am pretty sure I hurt the tweeters as well - so it is probably a good thing I replaced the coils...

    I had it loud - but no louder than normal, but the tubes were very overdriven
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited September 2010
    If you're looking for an upgrade: http://www.partsconnexion.com/resistors_duelund.html

    Just watch the wattage, some are only 5w.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,798
    edited September 2010
    What would those resistors get me?
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited September 2010
    More transparency.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,798
    edited September 2010
    To my surprise Ty used cheap Madisound inductors and nice film and foil inductors in the network. Since I have the values written on them - I am ordering Erse inductors to replace the air cores....

    The woofer network has cheap bennic capacitors - so I am replacing them with the PX series from Clarity Cap and replacing all resistors with the aforementioned resistors...

    So Yep! Fun fun!
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,798
    edited September 2010
    I would like to note half the inductors were already film and foil - the other half were basic wirewound
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,798
    edited September 2010
    2 x ClarityCap 3.9 mfd PX Range Polypropylene Caps (PX3.9)
    4 x Supra CLASSIC-1.6 /bulk cable per foot (15 AWG) (CLASSIC-1.6)
    4 x ClarityCap 12 mfd PX Range Polypropylene Caps (PX12)
    25 x Dampers: Foam Tape 1/2" wide x 1/8" thick - per foot (FOAMTAPE)
    2 x ERSE FoilQ 0.22 mH Copper Foil Inductors - 12 AWG (EFC-0.22-12AWG)
    2 x Duelund Graphite Resistor_040 15R DUELUNDR
    2 x Duelund Graphite Resistor_036 9R DUELUNDR
    2 x Erse Transformer_#EAF12-0350 0.35mH 12awg FoilQ INDUCTORs
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,798
    edited September 2010
    After some more research I asked madisound to change the caps tp SA series
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited September 2010
    Slow down fella, I wouldn't change the inductors. If you swap out an inductor for one with higher or lower DCR, you could cause more harm than good.

    As for caps, which are in what circuit. PM me if you don't want to give out his schematic.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,798
    edited September 2010
    The inductors in the speaker are labeled .22 and .35 via madisound --- is it not possible to not just swap them out with same value inductors? Now I am confused...

    All caps posted are in the woofer network.

    The Tweeter network has a 8 uf Hovland Musicap capacitor that is adequate I would say
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,798
    edited September 2010
    So do I need to match the DCR or both or?

    I would really like to upgrade those inductors...
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,798
    edited September 2010
    The .22 has a DCR of .18
    The .35 has a DCR of .3

    So I see the inductors I chose have a very differen DCR.

    I can get matching DCR values but the mh rating will be different...
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited September 2010
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    So do I need to match the DCR or both or?

    Both. IMO, as long as the coils aren't saturating, caps and resistors have much more of an impact.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,798
    edited September 2010
    Hmmm - Ok...
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  • FTGV
    FTGV Posts: 3,649
    edited September 2010
    Vr3MxStyler2k3 wrote: »
    . Since I have the values written on them - I am ordering Erse inductors to replace the air cores....
    If they are air cores there would be no need to replace them.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,798
    edited September 2010
    New resistors and caps for the woofer section arrive tomorrow! woo hooo!

    Parts Connexion charges an arm and a leg for shipping. 20 bucks for a pound of product? Jeeeez

    I think in the next month or two I am going to upgrade the tweeter cap to the Clarity MR series... Just cant afford to do it at the same time as the rest.
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,798
    edited September 2010
    Incredible... absolutely incredible.

    I dont know if it is those SA capacitors or those resistors - but wow.

    The speaker sounds so much better. I know I am not crazy because my non audiophile friend immediately said what did you change... the left side sounds huge...

    Incredible difference in those resistors I think - just wow
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited September 2010
    They're the real deal. I wish their price didn't double over the last couple of years.

    Ordering anything else or are you happy for now? :D
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,798
    edited September 2010
    I am going to do the right speaker tomorrow - rock that for a while
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,798
    edited September 2010
    Heres some pics of the new xovers

    Wiring point to point is alot harder than circuit board I found... especially when you got 4 or 5 fat wires soldering to one place - i tried my best to keep it clean lol

    But let me know what ya think - I tried to lay it out as neatly as I could since I am soldering, gluing out of a 7" hole lol
    - Not Tom ::::::: Any system can play Diana Krall. Only the best can play Limp Bizkit.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited September 2010
    The woofer network solder joint could be better. If you can't twist the leads together, you can use wire clips or zip ties to hold the wires together.
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  • VR3
    VR3 Posts: 28,798
    edited September 2010
    hmm alright - I will see what I can do, I still have it cracked open...

    I had to pack it all to the side because it has to clear the bottom woofer
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