Some Wiring Questions

JiB
JiB Posts: 10
edited October 2010 in Basic Hookup/Wiring Questions
Just got a set of monitor 40's for my rear speakers! Now I need some new wire to set them up, I was thinking of getting 12 gauge and banana plugs. Is that a heavy enough gauge to run 25 feet? And would tinning the ends with the banana plugs be any good? Also, is Bi-wiring worth it?

Thanks,
JiB
Reciever: Yamaha RX-V667
Centre: Polk Audio CS2 (Comming Soon)
Fronts: Polk Audio Monitor 70
Rears: Polk Audio Monitor 40
Wire: 10 Gauge
Nanners: Nakamichi Screw Type
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  • John K.
    John K. Posts: 822
    edited September 2010
    JiB, welcome to Club Polk. The outstanding resource available to us on speaker wire in general, and gauge suggestions in particular, is this explanation of the facts by a veteran audio professional, which has helped countless newcomers over the past few years to avoid the wire scams which pollute our hobby. As you'll note, even 16ga would be fine for your use and there's no good reason to get a heavier, harder to handle wire. Tinning the ends isn't necessary.

    As to bi-wiring(aka "buy-wiring"), no there's no significant electrical difference created by that and no audible improvement is available in reality.
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  • JiB
    JiB Posts: 10
    edited September 2010
    Thanks for all the info, that lowered my budget quite a bit.
    Reciever: Yamaha RX-V667
    Centre: Polk Audio CS2 (Comming Soon)
    Fronts: Polk Audio Monitor 70
    Rears: Polk Audio Monitor 40
    Wire: 10 Gauge
    Nanners: Nakamichi Screw Type
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,173
    edited September 2010
    JiB, that advice given to you by john k. is about as bad as it comes. You would do well to ignore it and that link he posted.

    Go with the 12 gauge.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • JiB
    JiB Posts: 10
    edited September 2010
    Does this wire look any good?
    http://cgi.ebay.ca/200-FT-60M-High-Definition-14-Gauge-Speaker-Wire-Cable-/360222238521?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item53deeb2739
    Reciever: Yamaha RX-V667
    Centre: Polk Audio CS2 (Comming Soon)
    Fronts: Polk Audio Monitor 70
    Rears: Polk Audio Monitor 40
    Wire: 10 Gauge
    Nanners: Nakamichi Screw Type
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  • fishbones
    fishbones Posts: 947
    edited September 2010
    F1nut wrote: »
    Go with the 12 gauge.

    In the end...everything matters. Don't skimp...especially on long runs.
    ..... ><////(*>
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  • decal
    decal Posts: 3,205
    edited September 2010
    Go to wally world or home depot to but that type wire.Why pay shipping and have to wait for it?
    If you can't hear a difference, don't waste your money.
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  • Knucklehead
    Knucklehead Posts: 3,602
    edited September 2010
    decal wrote: »
    Go to wally world or home depot to but that type wire.Why pay shipping and have to wait for it?

    Not something that I would use in my modest system nor reccomend to anyone else.
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  • JiB
    JiB Posts: 10
    edited September 2010
    decal wrote: »
    Go to wally world or home depot to but that type wire.Why pay shipping and have to wait for it?

    I have to pay shipping on the banana plugs anyway, it will only be a few bucks more to add the speaker wire.
    Reciever: Yamaha RX-V667
    Centre: Polk Audio CS2 (Comming Soon)
    Fronts: Polk Audio Monitor 70
    Rears: Polk Audio Monitor 40
    Wire: 10 Gauge
    Nanners: Nakamichi Screw Type
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  • Outfitter03
    Outfitter03 Posts: 563
    edited September 2010
    Here are some links to products:

    http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10239&cs_id=1023901&p_id=2747&seq=1&format=2

    http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=100-024

    http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/speaker/index.htm

    Banana Plugs:

    http://www.soniccraft.com/products/connections/banana/vampire_b12.htm

    http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=091-330

    The highest quality wire in the above links is listed last from Blue Jeans Cable. If you are interested in doing it once and can afford the cost the Canare 4s11 is really good cable. I currently have 45 foot runs to my rears using the Monoprice 12 gauge and it works pretty well. I am pushing a lot of watts though as these are the only speakers hooked to my AVR. I have this wire going to my surrounds also, but will be upgrading to the Canare 4s11 in the next couple of months.

    There are a lot of bananas to choose from. The vampires I listed are solder/crimp connectors. The Daytons are two way clamping and are solidly made. Both of these are not pure copper, which is more expensive and higher quality.

    There are several threads, one about two months ago with a lot of information and opinions on banana plugs. I bought some from monoprice and I didn't really like them. My opinion. Good luck to you and have fun with your new system.
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  • decal
    decal Posts: 3,205
    edited September 2010
    JiB wrote: »
    I have to pay shipping on the banana plugs anyway, it will only be a few bucks more to add the speaker wire.

    You can buy banana plugs at radio shack or best buy.
    If you can't hear a difference, don't waste your money.
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  • JiB
    JiB Posts: 10
    edited September 2010
    Just ordered this wire:
    http://cgi.ebay.ca/100-FT-30m-High-Definition-10-Gauge-Speaker-Wire-Cable-/360216112018?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item53de8dab92

    And these plugs:
    http://cgi.ebay.ca/8-Brand-New-24K-Nakamichi-Banana-plugs-Ship-Fast-B-I-N-/260536726338?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item3ca932f342

    Was in a spending mood this morning :)
    Reciever: Yamaha RX-V667
    Centre: Polk Audio CS2 (Comming Soon)
    Fronts: Polk Audio Monitor 70
    Rears: Polk Audio Monitor 40
    Wire: 10 Gauge
    Nanners: Nakamichi Screw Type
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  • sm88
    sm88 Posts: 353
    edited September 2010
    Those locking binding posts are wonderful! You had me worried with those links, there are LOTS of knockoffs on the bay, but they come from 'Hong Kong', you can usually filter them out by searching for only North America.
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  • JiB
    JiB Posts: 10
    edited September 2010
    sm88 wrote: »
    Those locking binding posts are wonderful! You had me worried with those links, there are LOTS of knockoffs on the bay, but they come from 'Hong Kong', you can usually filter them out by searching for only North America.

    I even hate ordering stuff from the US, they always want to charge duty and brokerage and extra taxes. I would never order anything from overseas, not worth the shipping.
    Reciever: Yamaha RX-V667
    Centre: Polk Audio CS2 (Comming Soon)
    Fronts: Polk Audio Monitor 70
    Rears: Polk Audio Monitor 40
    Wire: 10 Gauge
    Nanners: Nakamichi Screw Type
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  • sm88
    sm88 Posts: 353
    edited September 2010
    JiB wrote: »
    I even hate ordering stuff from the US, they always want to charge duty and brokerage and extra taxes. I would never order anything from overseas, not worth the shipping.

    As far as I can tell, shipping is subsidized in Hong Kong so it is very cheap to air mail things out. But fakes are rampant, and they are very good fakes.
    Current System:
    Paradigm Signature S2 v2
    Conrad Johnson MF2500
    Wyred4Sound DAC2
    Audioquest Black Mamba II

    For Sale:
    3x Wilson Cub's
    Conrad Johnson MF2500
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  • leftwinger57
    leftwinger57 Posts: 2,917
    edited October 2010
    hi , I've thought that I read here that you can run a jumper from left spk to right and then one to the amp . This if I heard it right I totally do not understand.How would both sets of spks get pwr.....lw

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