New Shuguang Psvane Tubes

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  • miner
    miner Posts: 1,305
    edited January 2011
    I have them in my MC section of my McIntosh C2300 pre - replaced NOS Teles ribbed - and they sound wonderful; and quieter than the Teles. I have ordered 2 more pair for the MC line stages.
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited January 2011
    I ordered a quad of 12AU7's. Need to see (hear) what's all this noise about.
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  • CSM41
    CSM41 Posts: 55
    edited January 2011
    My 12AT7 Psvanes are really opening up. They sound better with every hour I put on them. I like them so much that I just ordered a matched quad of the 6CA7 Treasures for my power amp to compliment them. By the time they get here I should have the Psvanes pretty much burned in. I will continue to post my findings.
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited January 2011
    Up to know, the word "beautiful" never crossed my mind when referring to tubes.


    That changed today when my Psvane tubes arrived.

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    Now I just need to get myself to install them and start breaking in....
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited January 2011
    Can't wait to hear your initial and post burn in impressions Ricardo.
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  • engtaz
    engtaz Posts: 7,663
    edited January 2011
    Sweet
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    I love how music can brighten up a bad day.
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited January 2011
    I got the Psvanes in my preamp. Replaced RCA Cleartops.

    I immediately noticed higher gain. Other than that, I can't distinguish ANY difference in sound. Bass, highs, details, soundstage.....as if I had made no change at all.
    This is pretty surprising. Different tubes usually have different signature sound, and new tubes usually sound like crap for at least a few hours..
    I'll let them break in and see what happens.
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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited January 2011
    They are a special tube for sure. I'm just disappointed that I can't get them in a 6922; I guess I'll be stuck with the Gold Lions until then... :tongue:
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
    edited January 2011
    Ricardo wrote: »
    I got the Psvanes in my preamp. Replaced RCA Cleartops.

    I immediately noticed higher gain. Other than that, I can't distinguish ANY difference in sound. Bass, highs, details, soundstage.....as if I had made no change at all.
    This is pretty surprising. Different tubes usually have different signature sound, and new tubes usually sound like crap for at least a few hours..
    I'll let them break in and see what happens.

    The cleartops are no slouch. I would take this as a positive sign that they will get better.

    Please keep us updated. I am thinking of trying AU7s in my phono preamp. I currently have Amperex short plate D getter 7316s.
    Speakers: SDA-1C (most all the goodies)
    Preamp: Joule Electra LA-150 MKII SE
    Amp: Wright WPA 50-50 EAT KT88s
    Analog: Marantz TT-15S1 MBS Glider SL| Wright WPP100C Amperex BB 6er5 and 7316 & WPM-100 SUT
    Digital: Mac mini 2.3GHz dual-core i5 8g RAM 1.5 TB HDD Music Server Amarra (memory play) - USB - W4S DAC 2
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  • miner
    miner Posts: 1,305
    edited January 2011
    zingo wrote: »
    They are a special tube for sure. I'm just disappointed that I can't get them in a 6922; I guess I'll be stuck with the Gold Lions until then... :tongue:

    i HAVE BOTH THE pSVANES AND gOLD lIONS IN 12ax7 - both are very special tubes, especially for new. Being 'stuck' with the Gold Lions is a pleasure all should experience.
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited January 2011
    Run, don't walk. Get some of these before they run out. I am contemplating ordering a second quad...

    24 hours in.

    More bass? No.
    Better extension? No.
    Imaging/soundstage changes? No.
    More details? No.

    So why do I like these tubes?

    I'm gonna use the word "texture". Or maybe it's the tone in the notes. Hard to explain, but they definitely add enjoyment to how the music sounds. I want to say "sparkling notes" for some reason.

    I wonder if they will get better...or worse with 100 hours.
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited January 2011
    Forgot to mention. They are very, very quiet. Can't hear any hum, hiss, nothing.
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,899
    edited January 2011
    Is there just the one source for the Psvanes?
    http://psvanetube.com/wordpress/?page_id=148

    Also, what is the diffrence in the 3 grades...does it just have to do with potential life span? i.e 80%+ emission, 60-79% emmision, below 60% emission.
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  • Mike Reeter
    Mike Reeter Posts: 4,315
    edited January 2011
    Ricardo,those pics are makin' my nipples hard...if those babies are sounding as good as they look,I'm in.
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  • CSM41
    CSM41 Posts: 55
    edited February 2011
    I am finding the same results with my Psvane 12AT7's. Fantastic tube. They are getting better as they burn in. Mine replaced a nice pair of old school Mullards.
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  • toucanet
    toucanet Posts: 580
    edited February 2011
    Quality question:

    Which ones are you guys ordering?

    Factory Tested, emission varies;
    GF-Grade A, etc.
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited February 2011
    toucanet wrote: »
    Quality question:

    Which ones are you guys ordering?

    Factory Tested, emission varies;
    GF-Grade A, etc.



    www.grantfidelity.com

    Export tubes are supposed to be hand selected and only the best within tight specs.
    If you buy from China you get different options.

    Edit: Just saw that now from Grant Fidelity it takes you to this new page where you have those diffeent choices. It was not like that two weeks ago. I wonder which are the ones I bought...
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  • CSM41
    CSM41 Posts: 55
    edited February 2011
    There have been some questions as to the validity of Ian Grant's claims on the "grading" of Shuguang tubes, but I will say that the service I have received from Grant Fidelity has been first rate. He is a business man and is in it to make a living, so I get it. I bought my Psvanes from them and will probably buy a second pair of 12AU7's from them for my power amp.
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  • toucanet
    toucanet Posts: 580
    edited February 2011
    I ended up ordering 6 sets of the 12AX7 and 6 sets of the 12AU7 (GF-Grade A). I'm guessing at the rate they are selling, they will be a good investment for me.

    Thanks again to all for sharing the knowledge and experiences.
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited February 2011
    I emailed them and this is what they said:

    "All previous sales were for the Grade A tubes as introductory (we kept lower grade until we introduced the step pricing) - if you wish to have same quality grade tubes, it will be the GF Grade A.."

    And now they are $99 a pair.....
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  • dragon1952
    dragon1952 Posts: 4,899
    edited February 2011
    Anybody have a single 12AX7 they'd like to sell?
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited February 2011
    Thinking about re-tubing a pair of Manley Mahi Mahi EL-84 amps with these. $500 though, wow, gonna have to think pretty hard about it.
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  • Stew
    Stew Posts: 645
    edited February 2011
    I bought a pair of the Psvane 12AX7's from Grant Fidelity in December for my Jolida JD-100. I listened to them for about 5 hours and they just didn't have synergy with my system. I know that's not enough time for proper burn in but I much prefer the sound of TJ Full Music 12AX7's in my system - even when the TJ's were brand new.

    The Psvanes sounded warm and full while the TJ's sound tight and fast. Both have liquid mids. The TJ's have a little more energy in the top end and more air and detail. The Psvanes sound good but the TJ's are just right for my system and tastes.

    What's a fair price for a slightly used set of Psvane 12AX7's? I have $76 plus S/H in them. I gather these are Grade A now selling for $99 from the above posts. I started to post them in the for sale section but really don't know what to ask for them.
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  • Stew
    Stew Posts: 645
    edited February 2011
    Sold
    SDA 2B-TL (Sonicap/Solen/Mills, Erse Super Q, Rings, Spikes, No-Rez)
    1000VA Dreadnought
    Dared SL-2000a (Siemens & Halske TM 12AT7WA's, Brimar 5Z4G)
    Jolida JD-100a (Sylvania BP TM Gold Brand 5751's), NAD C275BEE, Blue Jeans

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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited February 2011
    OK, finally pulled the trigger on 8 EL-84's and a pair of 12AT7's for the Mahi monos. Had to think on that one for awhile. Maybe I'm getting cheap in my old age.
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  • jessie52
    jessie52 Posts: 34
    edited December 2011
    Has anyone compared the Psvanes to similar-priced NOS like Radiotechnique or CBS-Hytron?
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