RTi10 vs Monitor 70

mole'

wanted to see how the RTi10 compare to the Monitor 70s?

would be using these are my rear speakers with a set of RTi12s, CSi5 and an Epik castle sub. powered by a SC-07, Acurus 250x3 for fronts/center and an Adcom 100x2. still looking for a nice 5ch amp to power everything. (also having the x-overs in the RTi12/CSi5 modded by face)

room is 20x18 75% HT/Games 25% Music


RTi 10 $249.99 each
Driver Complement
Woofer 2 - 7" Diameter (17.78cm)
Polymer Composite Cones with Rubber Surrounds
Mid/Woofer 1 - 6-1/2" Diameter (16.51cm)
Polymer Composite Dynamic Balance Cones with Rubber Surrounds
Tweeter 1 - 1" Diameter (2.54cm)
Silk/Polymer composite dome
Electrical
Overall Frequency Response 20Hz-27kHz
Lower -3dB Limit 35Hz
Upper -3dB Limit 26kHz
Nominal Impedance 8 ohms
Recommended Amplifier Power 20-300 w/channel
Efficiency 89 dB
Crossover
(mid-high array) 2.7kHz, 12dB/octave low and high pass. 125Hz 12dB/octave high pass
Crossover
(subwoofer) 125Hz, 12dB/octave low pass
Inputs Dual (bi-amp) gold plated 5-way binding posts
Dimensions
Cabinet Size 43-5/8" H x 7-3/4" W x 17-1/2" D
(110.81cm H x 19.68cm W x 44.45cm D)
Enclosure Type Vented via Power Port Plus


Monitor 70 $199.00 each

Driver Complement
Subwoofer 2 - 6-1/2" Diameter (16.51cm)
Dynamic Balance Bi-laminate composite cone drivers, magnetically shielded
Mid/Woofer 2 - 6-1/2" Diameter (16.51cm)
Dynamic Balance Bi-laminate composite cone drivers, magnetically shielded
Tweeter 1 - 1" Diameter (2.54cm)
Dynamic Balance Silk/polymer composite dome, magnetically shielded
Electrical
Overall Frequency Response 30Hz - 25kHz
Lower -3dB Limit 40Hz
Upper -3dB Limit 24kHz
Nominal Impedance 8 ohms
Recommended Amplifier Power 20 - 275 w/channel
Efficiency 90 dB
Crossover 2.6kHz and 2.6kHz cascade tapered 2nd order
Inputs Dual (bi-amp) 5 way binding posts
Dimensions
Cabinet Size 42" H x 7-3/4" W x 14-3/4" D
(106.68cm H x 19.68cm W x 37.47cm D)
Enclosure Type Vented via front panel flared port

SivaNevets

RTi10 much better than Monitor 70 in HT. much detailed forward tweeter makes HT extremly involving.
for music Monitor 70 is better, only because RTi10 is too bright for music.
since you have a good amp, i highly recommend to get RTi12/RTIa9.

mole'

SivaNevets wrote: »

RTi10 much better than Monitor 70 in HT. much detailed forward tweeter makes HT extremly involving.
for music Monitor 70 is better, only because RTi10 is too bright for music.
since you have a good amp, i highly recommend to get RTi12/RTIa9.

thanks
i was gonna get the RTi10 over the M70 cause they are 249 a pop. i already have a set of M70 but they are messed up. RTi a9 look great but $$$

bopicasso

Keep it timber matched with the RTI 10. It will sound better for ht.

mdaudioguy

It'll look cooler with all RTis!!

GoBigBlue

bopicasso wrote: »

Keep it timber matched with the RTI 10. It will sound better for ht.

You said it would sound better for HT. Would it sound the better or the same for music? I'm looking at some 70s myself.

geebolt

I have RTi A7's which are pretty much the same as Rt10's and I also have TSi500's which are pretty much the same as Monitor 7's. I drive them with an Emotiva XPA-5 and an Onkyo TX-NR807 used as a pre/pro.
I can tell you first hand, the RTi's are better for both HT as well music in my room. I do like the 500's, its just that I like the A7's more. A much more open and clearer sounding midrange is the biggest difference but better bottom end and highs as well.

George

bopicasso

RTi/RTiA models are more expensive, and above the monitor/tsi series for a reason.
Because they are better quality and better sounding speakers. I have 3 friends who have monitor series speakers, and I owned the RTi8s. I would go with the RTi series everytime.
No brainer in my opinion.

mole'

geebolt wrote: »

I have RTi A7's which are pretty much the same as Rt10's and I also have TSi500's which are pretty much the same as Monitor 7's. I drive them with an Emotiva XPA-5 and an Onkyo TX-NR807 used as a pre/pro.
I can tell you first hand, the RTi's are better for both HT as well music in my room. I do like the 500's, its just that I like the A7's more. A much more open and clearer sounding midrange is the biggest difference but better bottom end and highs as well.

George

how do you like the XPA-5? i have been looking at picking one up.

mole'

thanks for everyones inputs.

RTi10 looks like it will be.


just gotta work down the shipping cost from J&R now.

geebolt

mole' wrote: »

how do you like the XPA-5? i have been looking at picking one up.

I wish I'd gotten one sooner! Better late than never, however.
Sound overall is much mor open, better seperation between instruments, and listener fatigue has not been a factor for me so far.
And it runs much cooler than the Onkyo ever did.

George

mystik610

mole' wrote: »

how do you like the XPA-5? i have been looking at picking one up.

Having picked up an XPA-5 myself, I wouldn't pair it with the RTi's. It's a pretty bright amp, and doesn't have good synergy with the RTi's.

I have an XPA-5 driving my system right now, with FXi3's driving my rears...the highs from my rears are a bit much with the XPA-5.

You definitely want a warmer amp with the RTi's. I was using an HK amp (very warm) with my RTi8's, and they had a very good synergy. Part of me wants to go back to the HK even with my LSi's.

Just my 2 cents.

mole'

geebolt wrote: »

I wish I'd gotten one sooner! Better late than never, however.
Sound overall is much mor open, better seperation between instruments, and listener fatigue has not been a factor for me so far.
And it runs much cooler than the Onkyo ever did.

George

so you like the XPA-5 with the RTi's. not too bright at all?

mystik610 wrote: »

Having picked up an XPA-5 myself, I wouldn't pair it with the RTi's. It's a pretty bright amp, and doesn't have good synergy with the RTi's.

I have an XPA-5 driving my system right now, with FXi3's driving my rears...the highs from my rears are a bit much with the XPA-5.

You definitely want a warmer amp with the RTi's. I was using an HK amp (very warm) with my RTi8's, and they had a very good synergy. Part of me wants to go back to the HK even with my LSi's.

Just my 2 cents.

and then you dont like it.

which HK amp would you get in a 5 Ch?

mystik610

mole' wrote: »

and then you dont like it.

which HK amp would you get in a 5 Ch?

The jury is out on whether or not I like the XPA-5. I'm going to play with the EMO for a couple of weeks and try my HK again, but I'm not terribly impressed with the XPA-5 so far, even coming from an amp that has half as many watts. It's brighter and has more 'sparkle', which brings my LSi9's to life for movies, but it isn't nearly as detailed as the HK. The separation of the instruments isn't as good...the bass is muddier, and subtle details like a singer taking a breath that were present with the HK, are lost with the EMO.

I spent money on the EMO and want to like it, but I'm not completely sold on it yet.

All of that is more subjective though. From a more objective standpoint, the EMO is definitely very forward in the upper frequencies....at least relative to the HK. I'm not saying you should go with an HK necessarily (you'll want something more powerful for the RTi10's), but the RTis defintely benefit from a warm amp. In my experience with my Harman Kardon Signature 2.1 and the RTi8's, the HK really brought out the mid-range and gave the 8's a much fuller sound that didn't favor the tweeter quite as much. Some say the EMO is bright, others say its neutral.....all of that is relative to what you're used to, but the EMO isn't by any means a warm amp.

just my 2 cents.

mole'

im gonna need an amp that can power the RTi12, RTi10 and a CSi5

dont wanna spend over a G tho

Gulfstrings

Purchased my NAD T955 at Audio Advisor on sale and well within your budget. Couldn't be more happy with the way it works with the RTi setup. No brightness, no listening fatigue, just an excellent, very musical amp.

And it does a great job with HT!

Dave

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NAT955

mole'

Gulfstrings wrote: »

Purchased my NAD T955 at Audio Advisor on sale and well within your budget. Couldn't be more happy with the way it works with the RTi setup. No brightness, no listening fatigue, just an excellent, very musical amp.

And it does a great job with HT!

Dave

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NAT955

nice looking amp. but its only 100wpc@8ohms.

would i just be better off staying with my current amps? Acurus 250x3 / Adcom 100x2 ?

mole'

what ya think about these amps?

B&K - AV5000 Series II 125 wpc 5 channel Amplifier

Parasound - 5125 125 wpc THX Ultra2 Five-Channel Amplifier

Gulfstrings

mole' wrote: »

nice looking amp. but its only 100wpc@8ohms.

would i just be better off staying with my current amps? Acurus 250x3 / Adcom 100x2 ?

Those 100 watts per channel are legit - real power. But if you're having second thoughts about replacing your current gear with a single five channel unit I can't imagine you wouldn't be happy with the just the speaker change.

Incremental change is always a good idea ...

geebolt

Yes, I like the XPA-5 with the RTi's. I run Audessey from my Onkyo TX-NR807 and the end result is very good. The only thing I have to play with is the bass level. The high end sounds fine to me. But as I said, I've always run Audessey first whenever I add new equipment.

mole'

Gulfstrings wrote: »

Those 100 watts per channel are legit - real power. But if you're having second thoughts about replacing your current gear with a single five channel unit I can't imagine you wouldn't be happy with the just the speaker change.

Incremental change is always a good idea ...

thanks.

found a set of SDAs in SoCal that i want more than the RT1s now. so this might all change now.

mole'

geebolt wrote: »

Yes, I like the XPA-5 with the RTi's. I run Audessey from my Onkyo TX-NR807 and the end result is very good. The only thing I have to play with is the bass level. The high end sounds fine to me. But as I said, I've always run Audessey first whenever I add new equipment.

gonna have an Epik Castle sub here soon for the extra BASS