New 6SN7 from Shuguang

organ
organ Posts: 4,969
edited August 2010 in 2 Channel Audio
http://thetubestore.com/sh-cv181-z.html

Anybody try them? Looks interesting.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited July 2010
    There are a few reviews here: http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS310&=&q=Shuguang+Treasure+CV181-Z&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

    Now that the price is reasonable, I'm tempted to try a pair.
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • organ
    organ Posts: 4,969
    edited July 2010
    Awesome. Thanks for the link. I will try a pair in my SE amp in about a month. I'll post the results.
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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited July 2010
    I've really enjoyed using other Shuguang Treasure tubes (300B & 6CA7) and think they are well worth the money; a great alternative to classic NOS.

    " It succeeds in beating the best NOS samples at their own games with the added bonus of new stock reliability and dependability".... "I have spent many long hours burning-in and auditioning NOS 6SN7 (there's so many to choose from) and the Shuguang CV181Z beats them all with maybe 50 hours on them and they claim to need 300 hours"

    Mark Wheeler - TNT-Audio
    Jake
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  • organ
    organ Posts: 4,969
    edited July 2010
    Jake,
    Thanks for the heads up. I'm really excited about trying out the new CV181Z.

    If you've heard the Electro Harmonix 6CA7, can you describe the difference between them and the Shuguang 6CA7?
    Also, if you've had experience with the Sophia Electric 300B mesh plates, I'm wondering how they sound compared to Shuguang.
    I will be playing around with the 300B, 6SN7 and EL34 next week when I pick up some new equipments.
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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited July 2010
    I've only compared standard Shuguang and stock 300B/6AC7 tubes verses the Treasure versions, and it was a good improvement. I have other NOS tubes, but not those models.

    I've read good comparisons between NOS and the Treasure tubes though, and the reviews ring true with me.

    I should be getting a Shuguang Treasure 845 amp next month that uses Treasure 300B, CV181, and Red Label 845. I'll be able to give you some listening impressions then of the CV181 and other Treasure combinations.
    Jake
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  • organ
    organ Posts: 4,969
    edited July 2010
    That's great. Would love to hear what you think.
    Sounds like a serious amp. Very interesting combination of tubes too!

    Thanks again for the info.
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  • kcoc321
    kcoc321 Posts: 1,788
    edited July 2010
    Hey Jake, let me know when you get that amp. I just got a NOS 6SN7GTB TungSol you can tube roll if you want.

    organ, hope you don't mind a little side message. :D
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  • organ
    organ Posts: 4,969
    edited July 2010
    It's all good bro:).
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,566
    edited July 2010
    If you've heard the Electro Harmonix 6CA7, can you describe the difference between them and the Shuguang 6CA7?

    The Shugie is much mo' better. Seriously, it's in a different league.
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  • organ
    organ Posts: 4,969
    edited July 2010
    Sweet! Can't wait to try them. THanks F1.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,566
    edited July 2010
    Be forewarned, you will like, hate, love, hate, like, hate, love, etc., them until they fully cook for 300 hours. No joke.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • organ
    organ Posts: 4,969
    edited August 2010
    Wow! My signals are usually rocking after about 20-50 hrs of burn in. Had no idea some could take so long. Thanks for bringing that up.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,566
    edited August 2010
    Eh, we talking about the 6CA7's. I've got no idea how long the burn in is with their signal tubes.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • organ
    organ Posts: 4,969
    edited August 2010
    My bad. I meant to say POWER tubes, not signal.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited August 2010
    FWIW,I have the EH 6CA7's in my amp,,much better bass(tighter) than the EL34's that I was using(Tesla old style/white lettering,,not JJ),,I have not heard the shuggies,but Jesse assures me that they(Shuggies) take it to another level.I'll have a quad of them soon and I'll report back,say this fall.Quite some burn in time,,eh?
    JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited August 2010
    Ooo pretty...

    SG%206CA7%20quadbox_0.jpg
    Jake
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  • organ
    organ Posts: 4,969
    edited August 2010
    George,
    I have the EH as well. You should also give the new KT77's a try. IMO it's much tighter than the EH6CA7. I've tried the JJ KT77 but haven't tried the Gold Lion yet. I'm gonna enjoy comparing the Shuggies with the JJ.

    Zingo,
    Damn you, keep rubbing salt on the wound on my broke ****:D.
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited August 2010
    organ wrote: »
    George,
    I have the EH as well. You should also give the new KT77's a try. IMO it's much tighter than the EH6CA7. I've tried the JJ KT77 but haven't tried the Gold Lion yet. I'm gonna enjoy comparing the Shuggies with the JJ.

    Zingo,
    Damn you, keep rubbing salt on the wound on my broke ****:D.

    I will have to do that,,you are the second person in the last 24 hours that has said that about the KT 77's,,guess I'll give em' a try--thanks
    JC approves....he told me so. (F-1 nut)
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  • reeltrouble1
    reeltrouble1 Posts: 9,312
    edited August 2010
    a smart guy who does Hi-Fi designs here in the US told me yesterday the china tubes all come from the same factory and are just rebadged!!!:eek:

    say it ain't so say it ain't so.......

    OK, it ain't so.

    same guy likes the russian as the tubes display more constant plate voltages and so on........

    so when I said this mishap or that happened when I was using this or that Russain tube.....he said......well, perhaps he does not have sufficient data......gawd.....designer geeks, of course the Russians copied everything to start with.

    RT1
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  • zingo
    zingo Posts: 11,258
    edited August 2010
    reeltrouble1 wrote: »
    a smart guy who does Hi-Fi designs here in the US told me yesterday the china tubes all come from the same factory and are just rebadged!!!:eek:

    You are correct; most of the Chinese tubes come from the Shuguang factory.
    Jake
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  • organ
    organ Posts: 4,969
    edited August 2010
    Geroge,
    Yeah man, give them a try. Very different sound compared to 6CA7. You planning to try the JJ or Gold Lions?


    RT1,
    LOL:D I"ve had some Russian KT66 where the plates kept glowing, even after 2 replacements.
    Looks like these Treasure series and new re-issues are on a different level. Hell, they better be because they cost so much more.

    If I remember correctly, there are 2 companies making tubes in China. Shuguang is the bigger player. The re-branders of Chinese tubes are Groove Tubes, Ruby and a few others. Most of them are re-labeled Shuguangs.
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