Great tweak for $8.50

Ern Dog
Ern Dog Posts: 2,237
edited August 2010 in 2 Channel Audio
I've been in communication with Barry at JL Audio about dialing in my new sub and he recommended treating all my connections with Stabilant 22A. He said that this would improve the whole sound of my rig by increasing connectivity. More info here and Here about what stabilant is and how it works.

I found a small vial on ebay for $8.50 Here and tried it out.

I was shocked at what it did to my rig. The first thing I noticed was that there was more of a 3 dimensional sound. The second thing I noticed was more detail and increased dynamic range!

I tried Caig for my first time a couple months ago and also noticed an improvement with this. I found that it helped balance out the sound of my rig. Now this Stabilant 22A takes what Caig did to a whole new level of performance. Definitely worth a try for less than $10 :D
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  • venomclan
    venomclan Posts: 2,467
    edited July 2010
    Did ya put it on your tube pins....? Ha Ha.
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  • bopicasso
    bopicasso Posts: 878
    edited July 2010
    Ern Dog, what did you use to apply it? Also what connections did you apply it to?
    Im interested in trying it on my receiver, dac, and int amp.
    Living Room setup: Pioneer Elite VSX-21TXH, Krell KAV 300i, PS Audio DL III DAC, Tyler Acoustics Taylo 7u, Dynaudio Audience 120C+, SVS 25/31PCI, B-P-T Clean Power Center, Ps3, Panny 50" S1 Plasma, Tekline speaker cables, Audio Art interconnects, and Pangea power cables.
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  • danz1906
    danz1906 Posts: 5,144
    edited July 2010
    Looks Interesting, I may give it a try.
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  • Ern Dog
    Ern Dog Posts: 2,237
    edited July 2010
    Essentially, it's electrical contact enhancer- so I put it on both ends of IC, speaker cables, power cords and as Venom indicated, tube pins.

    It was a very noticeable difference and squeezed out 5-10% improvement on my rig.
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  • doctorcilantro
    doctorcilantro Posts: 2,028
    edited July 2010
    Does it leave a visible slick of gunk, or is it transparent film like Cardas CC?
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  • Ern Dog
    Ern Dog Posts: 2,237
    edited July 2010
    No slick gunk. I used a minute amount to create a transparent film.
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited July 2010
    I believe this stuff comes from the Telecom industry(among others). It was used to extend the life and improve the voice quality of the old style mechanical switches they used.

    It will also increase the surface area that comes into contact.

    Here is a good read on it. It's from the 'Internet' (you have been warned :) )
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  • jinjuku
    jinjuku Posts: 1,523
    edited July 2010
    Yep, it's telecom. It is a Motorola product.

    11-80384V93 Motorola 5ml

    Napa Auto Parts is CE-1 (not sure of amount)

    I wonder how it compares to Deoxit?
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  • fishbones
    fishbones Posts: 947
    edited July 2010
    I want it!
    ..... ><////(*>
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  • rubin
    rubin Posts: 565
    edited July 2010
    Napa CE 1 (contact enhancer fluid) application.... sensors,computers,modules,lighting and starter connections
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  • Outfitter03
    Outfitter03 Posts: 563
    edited July 2010
    http://www.napaonline.com/Search/Detail.aspx?R=ECHCE1_0215191885

    Here it is. Do you know if this has a limited shelf life. Didn't say in spec on site.
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  • iskandam
    iskandam Posts: 704
    edited August 2010
    I just bought it on eBay. Let's see what kind of improvement it brings to the table
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  • nedh84
    nedh84 Posts: 143
    edited August 2010
    All my components are new. Will it help me out?
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  • RyanJoz
    RyanJoz Posts: 116
    edited August 2010
    Well now it is time for review. Just like Ern Dog said: I was shocked at what it did to my rig. The first thing I noticed was that there was more of a 3 dimensional sound. The second thing I noticed was more detail and increased dynamic range!

    I noticed very similar results. Widened soundstage, speakers seemed to blend better together (harder to locate left and right speaker), and I also felt that some more of the details in the background "popped out" at me. Very impressed for 8.50.
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  • bopicasso
    bopicasso Posts: 878
    edited August 2010
    I joined the club and made the purchase on ebay.
    Stay tuned for the review.
    Living Room setup: Pioneer Elite VSX-21TXH, Krell KAV 300i, PS Audio DL III DAC, Tyler Acoustics Taylo 7u, Dynaudio Audience 120C+, SVS 25/31PCI, B-P-T Clean Power Center, Ps3, Panny 50" S1 Plasma, Tekline speaker cables, Audio Art interconnects, and Pangea power cables.
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  • maandjojo
    maandjojo Posts: 293
    edited August 2010
    Well a sucker is born every minute. Add me to the list. Do you add to both sides of the connection? Also, I would assume that applying to digital connections would be useless,yes?

    Joe
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  • ShinAce
    ShinAce Posts: 1,194
    edited August 2010
    maandjojo wrote: »
    Well a sucker is born every minute. Add me to the list. Do you add to both sides of the connection? Also, I would assume that applying to digital connections would be useless,yes?

    Joe

    I'm going to go out on a limb and say no, it should also be used for digital electrical connections. Poor contact can create stray capacitance. Me thinks putting more surface area in direct contact will make the connection less capacitive AND les resistive. Digital signals will benefit from the lack of capacitive 'ringing'.

    Just a hunch...
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  • bopicasso
    bopicasso Posts: 878
    edited August 2010
    So basically I should apply this to both ends of all my cables?
    Living Room setup: Pioneer Elite VSX-21TXH, Krell KAV 300i, PS Audio DL III DAC, Tyler Acoustics Taylo 7u, Dynaudio Audience 120C+, SVS 25/31PCI, B-P-T Clean Power Center, Ps3, Panny 50" S1 Plasma, Tekline speaker cables, Audio Art interconnects, and Pangea power cables.
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited August 2010
    Outfitter03 wrote: »
    http://www.napaonline.com/Search/Detail.aspx?R=ECHCE1_0215191885

    Here it is. Do you know if this has a limited shelf life. Didn't say in spec on site.

    According to the writeup here:
    It has a very low vapor pressure and therefore there is no appreciable loss of material from evaporation. It has been in some applications for more than fifteen years without renewal, and it is probably safe to say that in the majority of cases, the equipment on which it is used will be retired as obsolescent before the Stabilant must be renewed.
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited August 2010
    jinjuku wrote: »
    ...

    I wonder how it compares to Deoxit?

    Just found this on Caig's site re: DeOxit/Deoxit Gold vs Stabilant 22
    http://store.caig.com/s.nl/ctype.KB/it.I/id.1977/KB.215/.f

    Looks like there are lots of articles with this comparison--time to get my read on..
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited August 2010
    Looks like DeOxit products have a 1 year warranty and a 2-3 year shelf life--intersting--I wonder if that affects the product that's already been applied....

    **edit _doesn't look the applied product is affected over time (according to this chart and this chart , but more likely the bulk solution might separate or something like that.
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  • mmadden28
    mmadden28 Posts: 4,283
    edited August 2010
    mmadden28 wrote: »
    Just found this on Caig's site re: DeOxit/Deoxit Gold vs Stabilant 22
    http://store.caig.com/s.nl/ctype.KB/it.I/id.1977/KB.215/.f

    Looks like there are lots of articles with this comparison--time to get my read on..

    Here's a better comparison chart
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  • mole'
    mole' Posts: 3,160
    edited August 2010
    i placed an order for some as well
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  • nedh84
    nedh84 Posts: 143
    edited August 2010
    Should I use this stuff on my banana plugs? I'm hesitant to put it on connections on my AVR. Does it really work that well?

    Also Ebay is selling .5ml vials. Is that enough for all the banana plugs in my HT rig?
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  • Ern Dog
    Ern Dog Posts: 2,237
    edited August 2010
    First I want to say that I'm not connected with Stabilant or the ebay seller in any way and I'm no expert on it- only a satisfied customer.

    I put a small amount on my banana plugs, as that is a pretty important connection point. That little .5ml vial goes a long way. One bottle will easily be enough for your whole rig and at least a couple times over. Keep in mind you only need one application.

    I also put it on the ends of my power cords and all IC's (the pin and the surrounding part too). Don't forget tube pins.

    As I said before, I got 5-10% improvement in performance. Your mileage may vary, as I can only speak to the difference I heard in my rig. At $8.50 a shot, what's the risk?
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  • mole'
    mole' Posts: 3,160
    edited August 2010
    mine just showed up.
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  • bopicasso
    bopicasso Posts: 878
    edited August 2010
    mine to
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  • mole'
    mole' Posts: 3,160
    edited August 2010
    nedh84 wrote: »
    Should I use this stuff on my banana plugs? I'm hesitant to put it on connections on my AVR. Does it really work that well?

    Also Ebay is selling .5ml vials. Is that enough for all the banana plugs in my HT rig?

    i just got done putting it on all of my ICs, HDMIs, and Bananas. i ordered 2 .5ml just in case and 1 was plenty. only used about an 1/8th.
    mole'
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  • bopicasso
    bopicasso Posts: 878
    edited August 2010
    what did you use to apply it? I dipped mine into the container.
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  • mole'
    mole' Posts: 3,160
    edited August 2010
    bopicasso wrote: »
    what did you use to apply it? I dipped mine into the container.

    when you pull the cap off, there is that little thing attached to it. i used that.


    its does sound a little cleaner
    mole'
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