need help plz

jazz!
jazz! Posts: 30
edited July 2010 in Music & Movies
ok, im new....and looking for some help!! i am building a new home and want/need a great setup! the room is 22wX13dX9h with a waffle ceiling.

i have started with the speakers.
Energy RC-70(2) front
RC-LCR center
RC-R (2) rear
cant find a V-10 sub and looking for 2 i think?

i have 8 months.....yes 8 months to pick my setup..lol i do have a sony 46" 240hrtz (with old blu-ray) but want 60"+ and dont like the 3-D TV.
No idea about power? as in the receiver 5.1/6.1/7.1 i like the 5.1 do to the fact that most movies come in it and you nvr see 6.1 or the elusive 7.1

any help would be great!
thank you so much.

BTW...i have about 5k cdn left in the budget
Energy
RC-70 front
RC-LCR center
RC-R rear
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  • jazz!
    jazz! Posts: 30
    edited July 2010
    no one..................?
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  • Erik Tracy
    Erik Tracy Posts: 4,673
    edited July 2010
    How is the room laid out for your setup?

    Where will your listening spot be in relation to the side & back walls?

    If you want us to help spend your money, tell us more on what source components you have now, if any.

    Do you have a Blu-ray player?

    Do you have a CD player, or turntable, or do you stream music files from a PC?

    Are you more of a movie guy and don't really care about music?

    H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music.
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  • jazz!
    jazz! Posts: 30
    edited July 2010
    hmm. ok, the room is 22wX13dX9h with a waffle ceiling.

    listening spot will be center of room, with TV (65") on the wall in center of the 22ft wall (above fireplace).
    i have started with the speakers.
    Energy RC-70(2) front
    RC-LCR center
    RC-R (2) rear
    looking to start with all new components.
    it is for movies mostly but i do enjoy room filling music....so best of both worlds.
    the room is on the mainfloor and will be the source of sound when ppl are over.
    i do have 8 months to shop around....looking for the best i can afford.
    Energy
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  • Erik Tracy
    Erik Tracy Posts: 4,673
    edited July 2010
    jazz! wrote: »
    hmm. ok, the room is 22wX13dX9h with a waffle ceiling.

    listening spot will be center of room, with TV (65") on the wall in center of the 22ft wall (above fireplace).
    i have started with the speakers.
    Energy RC-70(2) front
    RC-LCR center
    RC-R (2) rear
    looking to start with all new components.
    it is for movies mostly but i do enjoy room filling music....so best of both worlds.
    the room is on the mainfloor and will be the source of sound when ppl are over.
    i do have 8 months to shop around....looking for the best i can afford.

    So your layout will be tv along the 'long' wall (22ft) and your chair or couch will be 6 ft away with 6 ft behind it to the back wall? (You said that the listening spot will be in the 'middle of the room'). Or will your listening spot be up against the back wall so that the tv is 13 ft away?

    H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music.
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  • jazz!
    jazz! Posts: 30
    edited July 2010
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    back wall ia half wall and with no doors...sofa is going to be about 8/10 ft from TV
    Energy
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  • jazz!
    jazz! Posts: 30
    edited July 2010
    that didnt work
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  • jazz!
    jazz! Posts: 30
    edited July 2010
    link to the floor plan.
    http://baywoodhomes.com/chambray/m3177fm.shtml
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  • Erik Tracy
    Erik Tracy Posts: 4,673
    edited July 2010
    So, it looks like there is no 'back wall' as your HT setup will be going into the living room.

    At 10ft away, I'd go bigger on the HDTV, 60".

    With no back wall, I'd stick with a 5.1 setup.

    I would wall mount the HDTV for a clean look.

    Get a nice cabinet to go underneath, put the Center speaker on top.

    Buy the Oppo BDP-83 bluray player to play blu-ray discs, cds, dvds.

    Get a Pioneer AVR - one of the new Elite SC-35s.

    I'm partial to Epik subs - maybe get a Sentinel. But HSU or SVS or Elemental Designs would be good as well.

    Spend the rest on good HDMI cables, interconnects, and speaker cables.

    H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music.
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  • jazz!
    jazz! Posts: 30
    edited July 2010
    oh, sry i am going to ues the dining room/living room as my HT room, not the great room.
    my thinking in that was it would hold the sound better for movies but still allow it to fill the home with music. would this make it any better over the great room?

    thank you for your help!
    im going to go to Future Shop and check this stuff out tonight!! they have the pioneer ICEpower 7.1 (sc-9540) on sale for $1300 what do you think about it?
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  • jazz!
    jazz! Posts: 30
    edited July 2010
    OMG!! i think im in love with the Dual Empire Subs...3000 w peak wow...this would fill my house.....all the gear you spoke about looks great!

    thank you SO MUCH!
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  • Joe08867
    Joe08867 Posts: 3,919
    edited July 2010
    In that case I would still do what Erik said.

    Place the TV on the long wall mounted and place the components underneath.

    Placement of the surround speakers may be tricky.

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  • jazz!
    jazz! Posts: 30
    edited July 2010
    you just made me smile with your pic! only 8 more months lol
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  • Joe08867
    Joe08867 Posts: 3,919
    edited July 2010
    I thought you would like that.

    Nice floor plan on that house.
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  • jazz!
    jazz! Posts: 30
    edited July 2010
    lol ya, it is a great floor plan....i went to buy a different house and saw this floor plan and within 10 min i was buying it....was looking at a smaller house 2200/2300 and got into this.... 3200 is going to be very big for 1 person lol...when i saw this room all i could think about was TH and its going to be great!
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  • Erik Tracy
    Erik Tracy Posts: 4,673
    edited July 2010
    jazz! wrote: »
    OMG!! i think im in love with the Dual Empire Subs...3000 w peak wow...this would fill my house.....all the gear you spoke about looks great!

    thank you SO MUCH!

    If you are buying your home new, can you contact the builder about adding a dedicated 20amp power circuit in the living room to power your HT Center?

    I did that with my home builder.

    You may want to revisit how you layout your speaker placements for the surrounds. Maybe consider some in-ceiling speakers? The side walls are pretty far from your couch - you may get better 5.1 results if the surrounds are closer to the couch and in the ceiling?

    And if your contractor is flexible - get him to install wiring now in the ceiling.

    Just tossing out some ideas.

    H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music.
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  • jazz!
    jazz! Posts: 30
    edited July 2010
    i went with the waffle ceiling in this room with 9 pot light, so ceiling speakers are out. they will let me go in a pre-wire the room :) i did get the 200 amp service, will this not do the job? i am blind when it comes to HT....i am coming from a HT in a box setup lol
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  • Erik Tracy
    Erik Tracy Posts: 4,673
    edited July 2010
    jazz! wrote: »
    i went with the waffle ceiling in this room with 9 pot light, so ceiling speakers are out. they will let me go in a pre-wire the room :) i did get the 200 amp service, will this not do the job? i am blind when it comes to HT....i am coming from a HT in a box setup lol

    My suggestion for the circuit was not the service to your whole home, but rather to run a dedicated 20 amp outlet right at the point where you think your Home Entertainment rack will be for your HDTV and equipment.

    A dedicated circuit ensures you aren't sharing another outlet for say a floor fan, space heater, or anything else that would mean sharing power. As you start adding in components they will draw more and more power. Having a dedicated circuit brings some peace of mind for having enough power to feed your HT setup.

    H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music.
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  • jazz!
    jazz! Posts: 30
    edited July 2010
    oooooooooooooh....ok, i will ask about it...im sure it wont be an issue. the upgrade from 100 to 200 amps was 500 so this would be like 100 upgrade if that.
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  • jazz!
    jazz! Posts: 30
    edited July 2010
    ive emailed epik...no reply...do they ship to canada? they are only in chicago, IL its only a few hundred miles.
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  • Erik Tracy
    Erik Tracy Posts: 4,673
    edited July 2010
    jazz! wrote: »
    ive emailed epik...no reply...do they ship to canada? they are only in chicago, IL its only a few hundred miles.

    Chad at Epik is a good guy, he does have help in Customer Service as well - I'd give them a call - quicker than an email.

    Sometimes work gets in the way... :D

    H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music.
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  • jazz!
    jazz! Posts: 30
    edited July 2010
    oh man.........
    At this time, we only sell to the 48 continental US states. The reason for this is that we can't support or guarantee warranty for product in another country or continent. If a component in your subwoofer needs to be replaced, it may cost more to ship it to you than the subwoofer itself costs. We hope to change this as soon as possible, but we're afraid, it will still be quite some time before we ship elsewhere.
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  • jazz!
    jazz! Posts: 30
    edited July 2010
    well that sucks...it might change....i am 8 months away so no rush i guess. ;(
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  • jazz!
    jazz! Posts: 30
    edited July 2010
    ok, this is going to sound dumb.....but when hooking up the sub.....is it not the same wire as the other speakers?? as in speaker wire??
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  • Erik Tracy
    Erik Tracy Posts: 4,673
    edited July 2010
    jazz! wrote: »
    ok, this is going to sound dumb.....but when hooking up the sub.....is it not the same wire as the other speakers?? as in speaker wire??

    The most commonly recommended method of connecting your sub to an HT AVR is with an RCA/RCA cable; sub output on the back of the AVR to the LFE input on the back of the sub.

    H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music.
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  • jazz!
    jazz! Posts: 30
    edited July 2010
    ok, now im going to be asking a lot of your time.....what wire/cables do i need?
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  • Erik Tracy
    Erik Tracy Posts: 4,673
    edited July 2010
    jazz! wrote: »
    ok, now im going to be asking a lot of your time.....what wire/cables do i need?

    How much you got? :D

    Lots of folks will recommend Monoprice for budget cables that will do the job nicely.

    I like Audioquest cables - they have a decent priced sub cable, Sub-x.

    H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music.
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  • packetjones
    packetjones Posts: 1,059
    edited July 2010
    ^^^^^lol.

    that is the best answer so far. It really does depend on how much you want to spend on cables. I would start with monoprice. It will get everything connected to start with. Then you can start looking into the other cables that are out there. Considering that you are asking about cables I would conclude that you do not have an opinion on them as of now. Get the monoprice first. Then look into the others.
    Front - RTiA5's
    Rear - RTiA3's
    Center - CSiA4
    Sub - PSW110
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  • jazz!
    jazz! Posts: 30
    edited July 2010
    so i need RCA's for the sub and just speaker wire for the rest? well , other then HDMI and optical?
    Energy
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  • jazz!
    jazz! Posts: 30
    edited July 2010
    will this
    http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10236&cs_id=1023601&p_id=619&seq=1&format=2
    work with this
    http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=105&cp_id=10425&cs_id=1042503&p_id=5140&seq=1&format=2
    for the sub? or am i wrong? i cant see a wall plate for the subs??
    Energy
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  • Erik Tracy
    Erik Tracy Posts: 4,673
    edited July 2010
    jazz! wrote: »
    will this
    http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10236&cs_id=1023601&p_id=619&seq=1&format=2
    work with this
    http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=105&cp_id=10425&cs_id=1042503&p_id=5140&seq=1&format=2
    for the sub? or am i wrong? i cant see a wall plate for the subs??


    So you plan on running all of your speaker cables behind the wall to a terminator plate?

    Or are you going to run cable directly from the AVR to your speakers?

    H9: If you don't trust what you are hearing, then maybe you need to be less invested in a hobby which all the pleasure comes from listening to music.
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