What should I do? Ebay issue.

Pycroft
Pycroft Posts: 1,960
edited July 2010 in The Clubhouse
Hi all...
Late last week, I won 5 Pinnacle speakers - AC400 for only 10 bucks. My brother was looking for something to replace his 5 HTIB, and these were cheap as can be. I contacted the seller, he said he would be back on Wednesday (Today) from the beach. I told him I could pick them up since he was local, and I could bring cash or pay via paypal. I was looking at my local craigslist and saw them up for sale 125 OBO. I know this is the same guy- Same name and town. I emailed him, didn't let him know that I saw the craigslist ad, and asked again when i could pick them up and how he'd like me to pay. I'm not sure what I should do about this? Should I just pay via paypal and tell him I'm expecting them? Should I email him and let him know I saw his ad? I already printed and pasted the page. It has his phone number, etc. He has a few negative ebay ratings, but is at 96% (Much better than Russman :) haha - See his ebay post).

Please advise.

James
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Sony SS-M9 P's (ES version)
Sony SS-M1CN Center Channel
Polk RT800 Surround Speakers
Odyssey Stratos Dual Mono Amplifiers
TAD 150 Signature Tube Preamp
Harman Kardon HK354
Sony SACD Player
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,164
    edited July 2010
    Well, what did he say? You've emailed him a couple times and since you didn't include his responses in the above, I assume he hasn't answered you. Did he agree to local pick up before you bought them?

    ALWAYS, ALWAYS get the terms/agreements up front with email documentation so if you have to file a claim it's all in writing. Was local pickup an option? The only option? If it was, I'd pay cash at time of pick up.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Pycroft
    Pycroft Posts: 1,960
    edited July 2010
    It was local pickup preferred in the original listing. When I emailed him originally, all he said was he would be back from the beach on Wednesday, and we'd take care of it today...then I saw the craigslist ad. It's obvious to me it was he felt he wasn't getting enough, although he put the ebay listing as 'No Reserve'. Waiting to hear advice. Thanks,

    James
    2 Channel/HT:
    Sony SS-M9 P's (ES version)
    Sony SS-M1CN Center Channel
    Polk RT800 Surround Speakers
    Odyssey Stratos Dual Mono Amplifiers
    TAD 150 Signature Tube Preamp
    Harman Kardon HK354
    Sony SACD Player
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,164
    edited July 2010
    The best advice I can give is wait until you hear from him. Do you know when the CL ad was listed? Maybe before the Ebay ad? Until you get some feedback from him you are just assuming.

    I don't know what else to tell you. He said he'd be back today and the day isn;t even 1/2 over and you already want this wrapped up.

    Not being critical, just calling it how I see it based on the info you've given so far

    H9

    P.s. Also if you are concerned about his negative Ebay rating, why are you asking about it now?

    P.s.s. When was the purchase made? ie; how long since the auction ended have you been waiting?
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Pycroft
    Pycroft Posts: 1,960
    edited July 2010
    The ad was posted first time this morning, at least that's what the ad says. I'll wait to hear from him and post what he says. I'm wondering what would happen if he sells them via craigslist today.

    Thanks,

    James
    2 Channel/HT:
    Sony SS-M9 P's (ES version)
    Sony SS-M1CN Center Channel
    Polk RT800 Surround Speakers
    Odyssey Stratos Dual Mono Amplifiers
    TAD 150 Signature Tube Preamp
    Harman Kardon HK354
    Sony SACD Player
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  • Ricardo
    Ricardo Posts: 10,636
    edited July 2010
    Pycroft wrote: »
    I'm wondering what would happen if he sells them via craigslist today.

    Simple. You get screwed.
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  • woodguru
    woodguru Posts: 76
    edited July 2010
    The first thing I'd do is cancel his craigslist ad, just eliminate it as a spam or overpost, he can't sell them if he doesn't advertise can he?

    As long as you haven't paid him he probably wants to try to get more money for them, at least you haven't paid him.

    Some people can't seem to figure out how to get the price they want and are dismayed when something goes for way less than they had in mind. I use an opening bid that's the minimum I'm willing to take, if it gets a bid I'm good with it that way.

    Cancel that ad though
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  • dcmeigs
    dcmeigs Posts: 708
    edited July 2010
    Well, you know what they say about something for nothing. This guy doesn't want to sell them for 10 bucks. What you have learned about this guy is that his word is worth $115.
    The world is full of answers, some are right and some are wrong. - Neil Young
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,164
    edited July 2010
    Pycroft wrote: »
    I'm wondering what would happen if he sells them via craigslist today.

    Thanks,

    James

    You keep after him and when he doesn't respond or produce the item you report him to ebay and leave negative feedback. You're not out any money, right?
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited July 2010
    Pay the money with paypal, then it's a completed transaction in ebay's eyes. ( with the exception of you receiving your items) If the seller doesn't honor the deal/sale, he's in breach, you get your money back, he get's your lousy (but accurate) feedback!;)
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  • Pycroft
    Pycroft Posts: 1,960
    edited July 2010
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250658004018&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
    Here's the listing if you are interested. It clearly says that anyone can pick them up locally without charge. I tried to pay via paypal, but it's making me do the 17 bucks shipping, so I emailed him through ebay this time asking him again how he'd like to proceed. Thanks for the advice.

    James
    2 Channel/HT:
    Sony SS-M9 P's (ES version)
    Sony SS-M1CN Center Channel
    Polk RT800 Surround Speakers
    Odyssey Stratos Dual Mono Amplifiers
    TAD 150 Signature Tube Preamp
    Harman Kardon HK354
    Sony SACD Player
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  • kevhed72
    kevhed72 Posts: 5,046
    edited July 2010
    He seems to sell alot on Ebay, so the vague mention of something to the effect of 'please advise when I can pick up speakers so we both can proceed with a POSITIVE transaction' may help your case.
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  • Pycroft
    Pycroft Posts: 1,960
    edited July 2010
    Kevhed -

    That's almost exactly what I said, and I sent it through Ebay so he knows what items it pertains to. Still waiting for a response :)

    James
    2 Channel/HT:
    Sony SS-M9 P's (ES version)
    Sony SS-M1CN Center Channel
    Polk RT800 Surround Speakers
    Odyssey Stratos Dual Mono Amplifiers
    TAD 150 Signature Tube Preamp
    Harman Kardon HK354
    Sony SACD Player
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited July 2010
    Wouldn't it be worth an additional $17 to not have to drive somewhere and have to deal with this person face to face? I would.
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  • kevhed72
    kevhed72 Posts: 5,046
    edited July 2010
    I would be concerned how he would package and ship all those speakers for only 17.00, even if it was local....ie is he going to stuff them in PO flat rate boxes?
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  • dorokusai
    dorokusai Posts: 25,577
    edited July 2010
    Move on....there's always another deal.
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  • j allen
    j allen Posts: 363
    edited July 2010
    dcmeigs wrote: »
    Well, you know what they say about something for nothing. This guy doesn't want to sell them for 10 bucks. What you have learned about this guy is that his word is worth $115.

    It's a depressing thought that someone's integrity is worth that little...
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  • Pycroft
    Pycroft Posts: 1,960
    edited July 2010
    Quick update -

    I did NOT hear from the seller yesterday. I emailed him just a few minutes ago and asked him to contact me today regarding the speakers. I sent the message through Ebay and through email. Hopefully I will hear from him today.

    James
    2 Channel/HT:
    Sony SS-M9 P's (ES version)
    Sony SS-M1CN Center Channel
    Polk RT800 Surround Speakers
    Odyssey Stratos Dual Mono Amplifiers
    TAD 150 Signature Tube Preamp
    Harman Kardon HK354
    Sony SACD Player
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  • Pycroft
    Pycroft Posts: 1,960
    edited July 2010
    Okay,

    I officially won these on 7/3/10. Should I cancel the sale and leave negative feedback? Will he leave negative feedback for me if I do this? What are my other options? I have never done this before. Thanks.

    James
    2 Channel/HT:
    Sony SS-M9 P's (ES version)
    Sony SS-M1CN Center Channel
    Polk RT800 Surround Speakers
    Odyssey Stratos Dual Mono Amplifiers
    TAD 150 Signature Tube Preamp
    Harman Kardon HK354
    Sony SACD Player
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,164
    edited July 2010
    He can't leave negative feedback, but he can respond negatively to your negative feedback. Is the verbal assault on your character worth $10?
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Pycroft
    Pycroft Posts: 1,960
    edited July 2010
    I think that people need to know what happened. Do I click on 'Resolve and Issue' then click 'I Want to Cancel a Purchase'? Is there some other thing I need to do?

    Thanks,

    James
    2 Channel/HT:
    Sony SS-M9 P's (ES version)
    Sony SS-M1CN Center Channel
    Polk RT800 Surround Speakers
    Odyssey Stratos Dual Mono Amplifiers
    TAD 150 Signature Tube Preamp
    Harman Kardon HK354
    Sony SACD Player
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,164
    edited July 2010
    Why do you have to cancel the purchase? He could turn that around on you? Will it allow you to leave feedback now? Again, be ready for a **** storm and is it worth $10 to you? I bought a dead tube and it took about 90 days for Ebay to rule in my favor. I left the negative feedback for his attitude, etc. and he verbally lambasted me even though he HAD to leave positive feedback.

    Just make sure he can't leave negative feedback because you didn't pay (obviously you couldn't since it was local pickup). Go thru whatever process you need to so he can't actually leave anything but positive or no feedback. If you leave a comment expect him to rebutt.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Conradicles
    Conradicles Posts: 6,079
    edited July 2010
    Howabout pay the $10 + $17 and have him ship them to you. Still a great deal and if he never ships them, then you can leave negative feedback and you will get your money back. Try that...
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  • HB27
    HB27 Posts: 1,518
    edited July 2010
    I personally don't want to have any association with anyone that doesn't live up to their word.
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  • Des Moines
    Des Moines Posts: 115
    edited July 2010
    It looks like the seller did the same thing once before in Oct 2009 based on the ebay buyer feedback here

    "did not ship item even after item was payed for,refunded money ,will not order f..."
    Buyer: Member id ayalla456 ( Feedback Score Of 101) Oct-04-09 11:25
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  • sucks2beme
    sucks2beme Posts: 5,601
    edited July 2010
    I see scumbags doing the whole Audiogon/Ebay/CL thing all the time around here. So what happens if everyone commits?
    "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." --Thomas Jefferson
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited July 2010
    Post an ad on CL explaining what sort of person the seller of those speakers is & the tricks he has pulled. Might mess up his chances of selling them on CL anyway.;)
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  • Pycroft
    Pycroft Posts: 1,960
    edited July 2010
    Update:

    I sent this email this evening:
    Geoff-

    Not sure what to do. Here is what your policy states:

    FEEDBACK POLICY: After you receive your shipment, if you are happy with the item and the service, please leave appropriate feedback. Once feedback has been left, you will automatically receive feedback in return. If there is a problem, please contact me before leaving negative feedback. Lets resolve the matter in a business manner. The bulk of our feedback is perfect, it's just that some of my items are sold to unscrupulous people who are looking to get something for nothing or just aren't knowledgeable enough to complete an installation.

    I have NEVER heard from you about the Pinnacle speakers although about 5 messages and about 5 emails over the course of almost a month. Payment has been sent for weeks. My next step is to go through ebay, cancel the transaction, and leave negative feedback. This is NOT me looking for something for nothing or about a bad installation. This is about your lack of communication, refusal to respond to me, or ship my item. I will give you until Monday to respond so we can fix this problem.

    Thank you,

    If you have a question, this in regards to this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250658004018&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT


    I have paid for the item - and waiting almost a month. How do I get my money back if he doesn't respond?

    Thanks,

    James
    2 Channel/HT:
    Sony SS-M9 P's (ES version)
    Sony SS-M1CN Center Channel
    Polk RT800 Surround Speakers
    Odyssey Stratos Dual Mono Amplifiers
    TAD 150 Signature Tube Preamp
    Harman Kardon HK354
    Sony SACD Player
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited July 2010
    I'd hit the report item symbol on the auction page, fill in the pertinent info and see what happens. I guess I'd also contact paypal too. Good luck with this skid mark ! :)
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  • apphd
    apphd Posts: 1,514
    edited July 2010
    Make sure you know any time limits that Ebay/PayPal may have and don't wait to long.
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  • 32deuce
    32deuce Posts: 49
    edited July 2010
    You want to report "non-receipt" of item. Your money should be covered by paypal. If its been over 2 weeks from payment date, and you have tried to contact seller(which i see you have done), then file your claim.

    Deuce
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