After a few weeks of research on Surge Protectors..I went with....
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can i ask if anyone knows or has a killawatt device to find out how much electricity (watts) this unit itself draws just by being plugged in, nothing plugged into it yet?
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just got a used APC H15...let's see how it works.
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I got my PF60, for some reason, it seems to be attenuating the upper frequencies of the audio. Video looks great. I'll give it some time, but the sound is too laid-back at present.
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LessisNevermore wrote: »I got my PF60, for some reason, it seems to be attenuating the upper frequencies of the audio. Video looks great. I'll give it some time, but the sound is too laid-back at present.
Hmmm, interesting. What is your gear again?Polk RTi A7's FrontPolk CSi A4 CenterPolk Tsi 100's SurroundOnkyo TX-RZ50:)Oppo BDP 83 (Collecting dust)MIT Terminator 3 Speaker CableMIT Terminator 2 IC's (Oppo 2 chan)Signal Cable HT TWOEpson PowerLite Home Cinema 1080Hisense 55 U8GBelkin PF 60 Power Center -
Hmmm, interesting. What is your gear again?
Depends on which chain. My rig has to do double duty, no two ways about it.
On the HT side, it goes:
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DTV HR 23
PS 3
Pioneer DV 563A (analog outs)
Fed to Denon 2802, (HT bypass through USP-1) then Emotiva XPA 5
On the 2ch. side:
Sources-
HTPC sending FLAC to
Adcom GDA 700 DAC to
Emotiva USP-1 to
XPA 5
LSi C,7's, & 9's.
Velodynye and Energy subs.
I haven't had the chance to narrow down which component(s) it seems to be affecting. Usually I only add one thing at a time, but that's a PIA to do in this case. All I know, is it didn't exhibit this trait before the conditioner. It'll take time, but I'll narrow it down. The Amp is straight to the wall, so that's one down.:D -
LessisNevermore wrote: »Depends on which chain. My rig has to do double duty, no two ways about it.
On the HT side, it goes:
Sources-
DTV HR 23
PS 3
Pioneer DV 563A (analog outs)
Fed to Denon 2802, (HT bypass through USP-1) then Emotiva XPA 5
On the 2ch. side:
Sources-
HTPC sending FLAC to
Adcom GDA 700 DAC to
Emotiva USP-1 to
XPA 5
LSi C,7's, & 9's.
Velodynye and Energy subs.
I haven't had the chance to narrow down which component(s) it seems to be affecting. Usually I only add one thing at a time, but that's a PIA to do in this case. All I know, is it didn't exhibit this trait before the conditioner. It'll take time, but I'll narrow it down. The Amp is straight to the wall, so that's one down.:D
Well if it is affecting music and movie/tv, I would venture to say the Denon?But you have bypass, so, the culprit maybe the USP 1?Polk RTi A7's FrontPolk CSi A4 CenterPolk Tsi 100's SurroundOnkyo TX-RZ50:)Oppo BDP 83 (Collecting dust)MIT Terminator 3 Speaker CableMIT Terminator 2 IC's (Oppo 2 chan)Signal Cable HT TWOEpson PowerLite Home Cinema 1080Hisense 55 U8GBelkin PF 60 Power Center -
Well if it is affecting music and movie/tv, I would venture to say the Denon?But you have bypass, so, the culprit maybe the USP 1?
The culprit is the Belkin.
It's not completely transparent, I verified this by plugging the USP 1 straight into the wall, and BAM! Most of the missing frequencies were back, so on to the DAC. Now everything back like it was.
While the Belkin is a fine component, and for HT use, I'm not sure there's much that can better it for the price.....but I don't think I can recommend it for 2 ch. listening, not with it attenuating sounds completely out. If I have to compromise, it will be towards a background that's maybe not completely black, as to loose top end. -
LessisNevermore wrote: »The culprit is the Belkin.
It's not completely transparent, I verified this by plugging the USP 1 straight into the wall, and BAM! Most of the missing frequencies were back, so on to the DAC. Now everything back like it was.
While the Belkin is a fine component, and for HT use, I'm not sure there's much that can better it for the price.....but I don't think I can recommend it for 2 ch. listening, not with it attenuating sounds completely out. If I have to compromise, it will be towards a background that's maybe not completely black, as to loose top end.
Like I had stated earlier, my results would probably not apply to everyone. In your case the Emo and the Belkin don't get along. I have no problems with my Arcam. Sounds lush!:D
But I do wonder why the Emo has this problem with the Belkin, it shouldn't..Polk RTi A7's FrontPolk CSi A4 CenterPolk Tsi 100's SurroundOnkyo TX-RZ50:)Oppo BDP 83 (Collecting dust)MIT Terminator 3 Speaker CableMIT Terminator 2 IC's (Oppo 2 chan)Signal Cable HT TWOEpson PowerLite Home Cinema 1080Hisense 55 U8GBelkin PF 60 Power Center -
Like I had stated earlier, my results would probably not apply to everyone. In your case the Emo and the Belkin don't get along. I have no problems with my Arcam. Sounds lush!:D
But I do wonder why the Emo has this problem with the Belkin, it shouldn't..
It's in the audio filters, and easy to miss if you aren't listening for it. If you don't hear it, don't go looking for it.:D There was a particular section of one song that had a part missing, and that's how I noticed. As it was one of the first tunes I played, I fixated on that, and didn't notice the constricted sound stage, which is back now as well...in spades.
I didn't expect perfection for $200, so I'm not too overly spun up over it. I would like some form of surge protection for the audio portion, but I guess for now I'll stick to unplugging stuff during storms. -
LessisNevermore wrote: »It's in the audio filters, and easy to miss if you aren't listening for it. If you don't hear it, don't go looking for it.:D There was a particular section of one song that had a part missing, and that's how I noticed. As it was one of the first tunes I played, I fixated on that, and didn't notice the constricted sound stage, which is back now as well...in spades.
I didn't expect perfection for $200, so I'm not too overly spun up over it. I would like some form of surge protection for the audio portion, but I guess for now I'll stick to unplugging stuff during storms.
Well of course I went looking for it!:D
The "audio filters" only mean the digital, audio and amp outlet banks are seperated, so one component doesn't effect the other with noise.
There is no way it could filter freqs from your pre to your amp. I am not an electrical engineer,(but I did stay at a Howard Johnson's last night;)), It just eliminates noise going to each components power source. If your pre is plugged into the right bank, there should be no problem.
One of the reasons a lot of people go with the Belkin is because of how transparent it is compared to other brands, (Monster).
The only thing I can think of is the design of USP 1 draws a lot of power or generates a lot of electrical noise thus the Belkin "filters" it.
One final note the Belkin PF 60 was awarded seven CES awards at the 2004 show in the Design and Engineering catgeory. That fairly well sums up the Belkin PF 60.Polk RTi A7's FrontPolk CSi A4 CenterPolk Tsi 100's SurroundOnkyo TX-RZ50:)Oppo BDP 83 (Collecting dust)MIT Terminator 3 Speaker CableMIT Terminator 2 IC's (Oppo 2 chan)Signal Cable HT TWOEpson PowerLite Home Cinema 1080Hisense 55 U8GBelkin PF 60 Power Center -
Well of course I went looking for it!:D
The "audio filters" only mean the digital, audio and amp outlet banks are seperated, so one component doesn't effect the other with noise.
There is no way it could filter freqs from your pre to your amp. I am not an electrical engineer,(but I did stay at a Howard Johnson's last night;)), It just eliminates noise going to each components power source. If your pre is plugged into the right bank, there should be no problem.
One of the reasons a lot of people go with the Belkin is because of how transparent it is compared to other brands, (Monster).
The only thing I can think of is the design of USP 1 draws a lot of power or generates a lot of electrical noise thus the Belkin "filters" it.
One final note the Belkin PF 60 was awarded seven CES awards at the 2004 show in the Design and Engineering catgeory. That fairly well sums up the Belkin PF 60.
If the bolded statement was true, then there would be no way a power cord upgrade could alter the sound for better or worse, right? (and I'm not instigating another cable argument)
I've checked and re-checked this three times, and with the same result each time.
I think the reason we are hearing different things here, is because the RTi series has the reputation (earned) for being a brighter, more forward speaker, whereas the LSi's are a bit more refined and laid-back in comparison. Any reduction on the top end is very noticeable with the LSi's.
There is also the matter of the constricted sound stage when using the power conditioner. I can hear a difference on par with how things sounded through an AV processor, before adding a separate pre for stereo. Not subtle.
I'm still going to keep this Belkin, because it is a fantastic unit for video and HT use, but it just won't cut it for audio on my rig. I'll find a straight power bar for the pre, and the DAC. -
LessisNevermore wrote: »If the bolded statement was true, then there would be no way a power cord upgrade could alter the sound for better or worse, right? (and I'm not instigating another cable argument)
I've checked and re-checked this three times, and with the same result each time.
I think the reason we are hearing different things here, is because the RTi series has the reputation (earned) for being a brighter, more forward speaker, whereas the LSi's are a bit more refined and laid-back in comparison. Any reduction on the top end is very noticeable with the LSi's.
There is also the matter of the constricted sound stage when using the power conditioner. I can hear a difference on par with how things sounded through an AV processor, before adding a separate pre for stereo. Not subtle.
I'm still going to keep this Belkin, because it is a fantastic unit for video and HT use, but it just won't cut it for audio on my rig. I'll find a straight power bar for the pre, and the DAC.
Hmmm, perplexing...well, go with what you know! Yeah, not trying to get into a cable argument, I am just wondering if it is a design flaw in the USP 1?
They have to cut corners somewhere for their price point, other than a Chinese baby made your pre!:DPolk RTi A7's FrontPolk CSi A4 CenterPolk Tsi 100's SurroundOnkyo TX-RZ50:)Oppo BDP 83 (Collecting dust)MIT Terminator 3 Speaker CableMIT Terminator 2 IC's (Oppo 2 chan)Signal Cable HT TWOEpson PowerLite Home Cinema 1080Hisense 55 U8GBelkin PF 60 Power Center -
Hmmm, perplexing...well, go with what you know! Yeah, not trying to get into a cable argument, I am just wondering if it is a design flaw in the USP 1?
They have to cut corners somewhere for their price point, other than a Chinese baby made your pre!:D
Wow, zing!:rolleyes:
So, what kind of design flaw would allow it to perform so well with all that "dirty" power, and not so well after being filtered by the Belkin? Maybe some corners were cut on the Chinese-made Belkin as well.
You do realize, that Chinese baby's siblings made 90% of your gear as well, right? Enjoy your rig, I'm out. -
LessisNevermore wrote: »Wow, zing!:rolleyes:
So, what kind of design flaw would allow it to perform so well with all that "dirty" power, and not so well after being filtered by the Belkin? Maybe some corners were cut on the Chinese-made Belkin as well.
You do realize, that Chinese baby's siblings made 90% of your gear as well, right? Enjoy your rig, I'm out.
Relax, just a joke. Yes some of my gear was made in China.
Cheers!Polk RTi A7's FrontPolk CSi A4 CenterPolk Tsi 100's SurroundOnkyo TX-RZ50:)Oppo BDP 83 (Collecting dust)MIT Terminator 3 Speaker CableMIT Terminator 2 IC's (Oppo 2 chan)Signal Cable HT TWOEpson PowerLite Home Cinema 1080Hisense 55 U8GBelkin PF 60 Power Center
