ps3 with a dac??

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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,487
    edited June 2010
    Well don't put all your hope on Krell. Krell is a love it or hate it type of amp. Plus, changing so many things at once there is no way to tell where the synergy might be lacking (assuming you have synergy issues). IIRC, Dynaudio and Krell seem to mate well together for most.

    Good luck and enjoy.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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  • bopicasso
    bopicasso Posts: 878
    edited June 2010
    I have read good things about dynaudio and krell. I plan on comparing the b&k with the krell amp section. I will definately keep the best sounding amp. But the krell's pre is also a important factor in what stays and goes. I will try both amps with both pre sections: one in the krell and in the elite. Also I will swap out a few ICs I have. Bens ICs and the Ultimate ICs I just bought. May the best sounding setup win!
    I can not wait to see which upgrade makes the biggest difference. Could it be the Krell's amp section or pre, could it be the v-dac? Only time will tell!
    Living Room setup: Pioneer Elite VSX-21TXH, Krell KAV 300i, PS Audio DL III DAC, Tyler Acoustics Taylo 7u, Dynaudio Audience 120C+, SVS 25/31PCI, B-P-T Clean Power Center, Ps3, Panny 50" S1 Plasma, Tekline speaker cables, Audio Art interconnects, and Pangea power cables.
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  • bopicasso
    bopicasso Posts: 878
    edited June 2010
    The first thing I want to see is what kind of difference the dac makes with the pio elite. And then add the krell into the mix to see the difference from there.
    Can not wait!!!!!!! Not very often do I want to get my wednesday morning golf session over with.. This is one of those times.
    Living Room setup: Pioneer Elite VSX-21TXH, Krell KAV 300i, PS Audio DL III DAC, Tyler Acoustics Taylo 7u, Dynaudio Audience 120C+, SVS 25/31PCI, B-P-T Clean Power Center, Ps3, Panny 50" S1 Plasma, Tekline speaker cables, Audio Art interconnects, and Pangea power cables.
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  • KrazyMofo24
    KrazyMofo24 Posts: 1,210
    edited June 2010
    I think the DAC and pre will make the biggest difference. Just going on my very limited experience. But looking forward to seeing how everything turns out.
    Setup:

    2 Channel: Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grand, T+A P 1230R, Primare SPA21, Oppo BDP-105
    PC: Vienna Acoustics Haydn Grand, Cambridge Azure 650A v2 , Peachtree iDAC, Denon DVD-3800BDCI

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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,487
    edited June 2010
    bopicasso wrote: »
    The first thing I want to see is what kind of difference the dac makes with the pio elite. And then add the krell into the mix to see the difference from there.
    Can not wait!!!!!!! Not very often do I want to get my wednesday morning golf session over with.. This is one of those times.

    You taking a Krell pre-amp? If so, then I soften my earlier statement about Krell. And the way you are doing it is smarter. Get used to the dac a little bit in the current system and then swap the pre then add some cables.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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  • bopicasso
    bopicasso Posts: 878
    edited June 2010
    The krell is a integrated model. KAV 300i.
    Living Room setup: Pioneer Elite VSX-21TXH, Krell KAV 300i, PS Audio DL III DAC, Tyler Acoustics Taylo 7u, Dynaudio Audience 120C+, SVS 25/31PCI, B-P-T Clean Power Center, Ps3, Panny 50" S1 Plasma, Tekline speaker cables, Audio Art interconnects, and Pangea power cables.
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  • bopicasso
    bopicasso Posts: 878
    edited June 2010
    Well just received the krell kav 300i. Got it cleaned up and hooked up in my system. I do not have the dac yet so I am running it just as a amp through the pio elite's processor.
    Compared to the B&k ref 4420 it is more dynamic and has tighter bass. The imaging and soundstage sound to close to notice a difference. Its a touch quieter at same volume. Also it runs cool. Hardly any heat.
    I can not wait to see what the krell's processor sounds like compared to the elite. I have the feeling it is a weak link in my system for 2ch. Musical Fidelity V-dac should be here tommorow.
    Stay tuned!
    Living Room setup: Pioneer Elite VSX-21TXH, Krell KAV 300i, PS Audio DL III DAC, Tyler Acoustics Taylo 7u, Dynaudio Audience 120C+, SVS 25/31PCI, B-P-T Clean Power Center, Ps3, Panny 50" S1 Plasma, Tekline speaker cables, Audio Art interconnects, and Pangea power cables.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,487
    edited June 2010
    Yes, the Pio is the weak link.......then probably cables.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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  • bopicasso
    bopicasso Posts: 878
    edited June 2010
    The cables in my system as of now are:
    All Pangea AC-9 power cords besides my bpt c-9 connecting my bpt CPC.
    Bens ICs
    Audioquest Type 4 speaker wire w/bananas
    I have a MIT AVT2 connecting my center channel w/bananas

    Im going to be using a Audioquest type 4 toslink from my ps3 to the v-dac, then the ultimate ICs I am waiting for from audiogon, from the v-dac to the krell. I will probably swap bens ICs with the Ultimate ICs to see what the difference is.
    Living Room setup: Pioneer Elite VSX-21TXH, Krell KAV 300i, PS Audio DL III DAC, Tyler Acoustics Taylo 7u, Dynaudio Audience 120C+, SVS 25/31PCI, B-P-T Clean Power Center, Ps3, Panny 50" S1 Plasma, Tekline speaker cables, Audio Art interconnects, and Pangea power cables.
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  • bopicasso
    bopicasso Posts: 878
    edited June 2010
    I just switched back to the B&k after a few hours of the krell... The b&k is 10 times warmer sounding, and 10 times more 3D. Now I see how people say that the krell is dry and cold sounding. It is with the pio as the processor and no dac. I can not wait to see what the dac does tommorow when it arrives. I will first try it with my old setup to see the difference then with the krell.
    Can not wait!
    Living Room setup: Pioneer Elite VSX-21TXH, Krell KAV 300i, PS Audio DL III DAC, Tyler Acoustics Taylo 7u, Dynaudio Audience 120C+, SVS 25/31PCI, B-P-T Clean Power Center, Ps3, Panny 50" S1 Plasma, Tekline speaker cables, Audio Art interconnects, and Pangea power cables.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,487
    edited June 2010
    bopicasso wrote: »
    I just switched back to the B&k after a few hours of the krell... The b&k is 10 times warmer sounding, and 10 times more 3D. Now I see how people say that the krell is dry and cold sounding. It is with the pio as the processor and no dac. I can not wait to see what the dac does tommorow when it arrives. I will first try it with my old setup to see the difference then with the krell.
    Can not wait!

    That's why I said in an earlier post Krell is a love it / hate it type amplifier. Isn't this hobby a blast! :p

    Ben's I/C's in the few systems I've heard them in are sort of flat and lifeless too as in no bass and sort of "hot" on the high end.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Puritan Audio PSM136 Pwr Condtioner & Classic PC's | Legend L600 | Roon Nucleus 1 w/LPS - Tubes add soul!
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  • bopicasso
    bopicasso Posts: 878
    edited June 2010
    It is a blast, I love trying new gear! Even though u have to invest time and money to find what you like, then do it all over again!!!
    Living Room setup: Pioneer Elite VSX-21TXH, Krell KAV 300i, PS Audio DL III DAC, Tyler Acoustics Taylo 7u, Dynaudio Audience 120C+, SVS 25/31PCI, B-P-T Clean Power Center, Ps3, Panny 50" S1 Plasma, Tekline speaker cables, Audio Art interconnects, and Pangea power cables.
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  • bopicasso
    bopicasso Posts: 878
    edited June 2010
    OK OK OK!
    Ran the setup mic on the pio elite for sh*ts and grins with the krell in the mix.
    Wow... Crystal Clear! More detailed. Brought it to life.
    Living Room setup: Pioneer Elite VSX-21TXH, Krell KAV 300i, PS Audio DL III DAC, Tyler Acoustics Taylo 7u, Dynaudio Audience 120C+, SVS 25/31PCI, B-P-T Clean Power Center, Ps3, Panny 50" S1 Plasma, Tekline speaker cables, Audio Art interconnects, and Pangea power cables.
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  • bopicasso
    bopicasso Posts: 878
    edited June 2010
    Received the V-dac today and hooked it up to the Krell, taking advantage of the Krell's pre, and all I can say is WOW!
    It is a improvement in every way! I do not know if its the V-dac or Krell's pre making the biggest improvement, but it doesnt matter!!!
    I no longer need the b&k now so it will be for sale.
    Living Room setup: Pioneer Elite VSX-21TXH, Krell KAV 300i, PS Audio DL III DAC, Tyler Acoustics Taylo 7u, Dynaudio Audience 120C+, SVS 25/31PCI, B-P-T Clean Power Center, Ps3, Panny 50" S1 Plasma, Tekline speaker cables, Audio Art interconnects, and Pangea power cables.
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  • KrazyMofo24
    KrazyMofo24 Posts: 1,210
    edited June 2010
    That's great to hear. That's pretty much the reaction I got when I got my DAC, wasn't concerned about upgrading my speakers again after that.
    Setup:

    2 Channel: Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grand, T+A P 1230R, Primare SPA21, Oppo BDP-105
    PC: Vienna Acoustics Haydn Grand, Cambridge Azure 650A v2 , Peachtree iDAC, Denon DVD-3800BDCI

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