outlaw 1050

Jockos · June 2003

Does anyone own and outlaw 1050 receiver? Was just wondering if you get a small thump/click when you first turn it on. I don't think there is any turn on delay(relay).

Thanks,

Jockos

GuitarheadCA · June 2003

It's pretty common for all receivers to have a small click or thump when they power up. Nothing to be worried about. I think all three receivers in our house do it. If the thump gets lound enough to where you think it's hard on the speakers, then you might worry.

goingganzo · June 2003

most good ampsthump to when you shut them down. it is the caps dischageing

Jockos · June 2003

Thanks for the replys but it does seem the pops are abit louder and can be heard thru the speakers. I own 3 other receivers (2 yamahas and 1 pioneer) and they only emit the click of the relay inside the unit on power up, nothing can be heard coming thru the speakers.
Maybe I'll take a ride down to CC and see if I can hear other receivers powering up. I do see my surround woofer(RTi 15) move alittle when powering up, although I'm more worried about my LSi15 tweeter being damaged.
By the way what model receiver do you have and how much power. I'm still trying to contact tech support at outlaw but they have all gone to the HES in San Fran.

Thanks for your replys.

GuitarheadCA · June 2003

My Main receiver is an Onkyo 898 (110x7), and dorm system is a Onkyo 8211(50x2). To be honest, with my recievers only the click of the relay is significant, like a loud fingersnap, the the thump is VERY minimal. The thump I really only hear when I turm on my subs- home being Velodyne (750W class D) and in my car (Sony 110x2 bridged), but with those two it's fairly prominant. Like goingganzo said, most amps do it to some degree or another. However I'm not sure, because it sounds like yours is louder than usual....

BeginnersLuck · June 2003

I have a 1050, this is completely normal operation....you have nothing to worry about...

-BL

BeginnersLuck · June 2003

Here is an explanation posted in the outlaw forums:

"As I understand it hitting the green button doesn't actually turn the unit on and off, it controls a servo which handles that job. This is a protection circuit used to either protect the unit or the speakers from recieving a sudden burst of energy. The pop is the mechanical sound of the servo in operation.
Many, if not all, recievers operate in this manner. The pop doesn't come through the speakers and may in fact be there to protect the speakers, though perception is such that you can fool yourself into thinking it does."

Hope this puts you at ease!
-BL

Jockos · June 2003

Thanks for the info. Actually the pop is coming from the speakers as well as the unit itself. I can actually see the drivers in all 5 speakers move alittle. Try it with your outlaw if you cannot hear or see the cones moving then I know I have a defective or adjusted unit.

Thanks,

Jockos

jesse_dyer · June 2003

It would pop through the speakers on startup. There were easy access buttons on the front to select the speakers to drive. I would select none, turn on the unit, then select the speakers again and there would be no pop. Definitely a pain.

BeginnersLuck · June 2003

I'll have to pay close attention when I get home tonight and I'll get back to you on this issue in a little while...

-BL

BeginnersLuck · June 2003

After further investigation, the 1050 does make a click thump sound on power up, and simply clikcs off. The thump part does come from the speakers but I think this sound is normal in higher quality amps. I know my first Kenwood VR-309 did make a click but no thump when powered on. So when I first got the Outlaw 1050, I thought the same as you. But now I guess I'm so used to it that I don't even give it a second thought.

On a side note, the old Kenwood VR-309 was used a reference gear in Home Theater Mag. not too long ago...I'm so pround of my old Kenwood...It has been put on Theater B duties. This amp was great for movies, but sucked majorly for music. It's funny how far I've come since then...

Hope this helps...
-BL

Jockos · June 2003

Begginners luck,

Can you hear a click to coming out if your tweeter midrange unit, also if you plug headphones in and then power up do you definitely hear a loud thump. This would absolutely reassure that I do not have a defective unit. Thanks for all your help. I do wish that they put a better relay in but I guess the sound more than makes up for it. I'm using LSi 15's and the sound is awsome compared to my Yamaha.

BeginnersLuck · June 2003

Jockos-

Alright, I'll check it out tonight when I get home from work and let you know!

Later,
-BL

Jockos · June 2003

Hey BL just wondering if you got around to doing the test.

Thanks Jockos

BeginnersLuck · June 2003

Jockos-

Sorry about the delay, I was planting shade trees all weekend long...

I'll check it out this evening, I won't forget this time...

-BL

BeginnersLuck · June 2003

See, I didn't foget about you Jockos-

Well, I hooked all of my speakers up to the 1050 and I did notice a small thump/click coming from the speakers. Sounded like it was coming from midrange/tweeter. The sound was so low I had to do it a few times with my ear very close to the speaker just to confirm the sound (but there definitely is a sound present). I would say your 1050 is functioning just fine, and the sound is definitely not going to damage your speakers. So sit back, relax, and enjoy.

Hope this helps...
-Gary

Jockos · June 2003

Thanks BL

Tour2ma · June 2003

I'm used to hearing thump on shutdown as gonzo indicated, but not start up excepting my original, Integrated Amp... must be a Heathkit and Outlaw thing.....

One solution is to leave the amp on at all times. It's what I've done for years, excepting vacations and severe weather situations.

There is a school of thought that powering SS amps up and down frequently is harder on them than idling them when not in use. Especially so with Class A/B and B amps that draw relatively low current when in idle. Pure Class A's, SS and tube, are a different matter as they draw full current continuously and disperse it as heat when the not needed for amplification.

Just a thought...

Jockos · June 2003

Tour2ma,

I have 3 other receivers and none of them make any sound on power up. Also when using headphones and powering up you get a pretty good thump. What concerns me is that when I add a external amp it will pick up the thump and amplify it even more. If you can hear the thump thru the headphone jack I believe you will get it thru the preouts as well. Would you happen to know if most headphone jacks goes thru the amp circuit and steps down or just thru the preamp stages.

Thanks Jockos

Tour2ma · June 2003

To the best of my knowledge, headphone jacks get their feed out of the pre-amp section, not the amp.

Jockos · June 2003

So that means that means the pop/thump is originating from the preamp section, right?

BeginnersLuck · June 2003

I don't think so, becasue nothing comes out of my speakers connected to my monoblock M-200's. I have three M-200's and I am using them as the front soundstage. There is absolutely no noise comming from them on startup or shutdown. However, when I connected my fonrts to the 1050 directly, i could hear a very quite thump coming from the speakers. I had to put my ear within about a foot or two to hear this sound...it is not noticable from my listening position.

Hope this helps!
-BL

Tour2ma · June 2003

Interesting BL... I suppose it is possible that the common power supply in the receiver and/ or the proximity of the amp section's big caps to the pre-amp section might be inducing the "thud". Obviously both are non-issues with separates...which is part of their charm.

Jockos,
Does the input selection at start up have any impact on the "thud"?

Jockos · June 2003

Just tried all inputs and the same results, contacted Outlaw and Scott told me it was "normal". He said they don't have a muting circuit because it would degrade the sound quality. I have had several receivers and HQ amplifiers in the past and all were perfectly quiet except for the soft relay click in the unit itself on power up. I'm no electronics expert but I believe that most units only use a relay to make sure the caps and so on receive their juice before the speaker outputs are switched on.
BL have your tried plugging in some headphones and then turning the unit on? I get a moderate thump, way louder then with the speakers.

Thanks for all the replys, Jockos

Jockos · June 2003

Hey BL,

Sorry to impose on you but could you please do 1 more test on the 1050. Just plug some headphones in and power up. See if you hear the thump. If you have the thump then I will live with the 1050's glitches, I am still in the 30 day return period.

Thanks,

Jockos

BeginnersLuck · June 2003

Ok, i'll check it out tonight!

-BL

VR3 · June 2003

Outlaw Audio is a new company. They design their equipment to be the best price/performance. If they thought that whatever it thumps for helps the sound, then it must. Its probally like a computer beep, its booting up and getting its juices flowing. It also could be your wiring inside your home if it rather loud. When you turn something on (but I do not see why it would happen everytime) the speaker will pop, or thump to the power surge. It also can do this when you turn something off. However, I am guessing this is within the receiver and is just how it boots up. Unless the thump is at ungodly volumes, I just wouldnt worry about it.
I dont own Outlaw, ive never heard them. However, I've had speaker pops when I turn my Adcom's on and off. Its just what they do. Nothing to worry about. It means that you have a good receiver, lol.

Oh yeah, Beginner, good job man. I would of been irritated a long time ago. Your a quality member!

BeginnersLuck · June 2003

VrMx...-

Thanks for the compliment.

Jockos-

Did Jason over at the outlaw forums answer your question? Do you still want me to check it out? I assume that you are using the green button to power on/off the unit and not the master power switch in the back.

Let me know...
-BL

Jockos · June 2003

If you wouldn't mind. Yes I use the green button 0n the front. When I plug headphones in and turn on the unit I get a loud thump. However if I turn off the unit and then back on within say 5 seconds there is no thump. It seems like you have to let the unit sit off for about 20 seconds before you will get the loud thump again thru the headphones.
Jason said that his unit is completely quit, which if yours is also then I must have a defective or misadjusted relay/unit. So I'm just trying to get at least a few responses to see if it is just my 1050 or others are experiencing the same thing.

Thanks for your patience,

JOckos

BeginnersLuck · June 2003

Jockos-

I have not been able to find my headphones (recently moved, they must be in a box in my attic), so I could not test that out for you. However, I have the same characteristics you describe with the thump happening after a quick power on/off. If I have the unit on and turn it off, then on again, then it is completely quiet. However, if I wait a minute or two, then it will thump again. It must have something to do with the power in our homes. I bet if we had dedicated 15-20 amp circuits, we would not be having these problems...There are so many factors involved here, I'm not sure I can really help you out.

Do you have some type of power filer/line conditioning that you run your receiver to? This could help out with some of the thump you are encountering. My monster HTS-2000 helps mute some of the startup sound that I am encountering...just a thought.

Hope this helps!
-BL

Jockos · June 2003

Thanks BL

Jocks

outlaw 1050

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