5.0 is out!

sucks2beme

I took a new GT 5.0 mustang out for a drive. I hit 80 on the exit ramp
with ease. It's much better than the old 4.6.
There was a line up of us over 50 types taking them out for test
drives. I won't be buying one, but what a thrill. The new v6 is good
enough, and about 10k less, but I had to see what the v8 was like.

ohskigod

that new 6 is no joke, genuinly curious as to what the aftermarket will have for it. a little turbo action, maybe bumps it to 400 hp yet 150 lbs or so lighter.....in the nose...than the 5.0, some suspension tweaks. would be fast and handle like the dickens. Think Terlingua Mustang (google it if ya don't know) but better?

I entertained trading my 07 in but I had too much done to it, I love how it handles since I did the suspension upgrades and it's fast enough, I'll supercharge it if I get 5.0 envy down the road.

audiobliss

ohskigod wrote: »

I'll supercharge it if I get 5.0 envy down the road.

But then what happens when you line up against a supercharged 5.0?

TouchOfEvil

audiobliss wrote: »

But then what happens when you line up against a supercharged 5.0?

or better yet a turbo 5.0 because a supercharger has less potential.IMO.

Jstas

TouchOfEvil wrote: »

or better yet a turbo 5.0 because a supercharger has less potential.IMO.

????

Um....no.

TouchOfEvil

Jstas wrote: »

????

Um....no.

You got some proof or just wanna stir a pot of ongoing debates of turbo vs supercharger?
Like i said IMO, a turbo has more potential. No parasitic loss, typical run more boost you can run progressive controllers to give boost as you gain rpm to limit spin etc etc....i feel it is a better setup.

ohskigod

TouchOfEvil wrote: »

You got some proof or just wanna stir a pot of ongoing debates of turbo vs supercharger?
Like i said IMO, a turbo has more potential. No parasitic loss, typical run more boost you can run progressive controllers to give boost as you gain rpm to limit spin etc etc....i feel it is a better setup.

no one knows what's gonna be better for the 5.0 yet. aftermarket hasnt hit full swing on it. cool thing is, a 5.0 owner doesnt have ti care too much early on, cause seriously....if running 12's stock isnt fast enough for you out of the gate, you have issues. I dont think there will be as many boosting the 5.0 as with the 4.6....which begs for it.

the 5.0 is too good out of the box, and is rumored to get silly power with just intake tune and exhaust mods. again time will tell.

with the 4.6, there are some turbo lovers out there make no mistake, but I think most prefer the supercharger. maybe it goes beyond the numbers, who knows, but the supercharger systems for the 4.6 are so stable and reliable thats the route I would go. hell, the 330 hp or so I have with the intake and 89 octane tune is fast enough for me now....christ if I didn't have a family member PBA card in Jersey I could very well have 2 tickets already.,

the 3.73 gears help, and I think I'm going to get an aliminum, driveshaft to get more of that power to the ground. I take how the car feels and handles far more seriously than HP numbers. ya can't drive numbers.

TouchOfEvil

ohskigod wrote: »

no one knows what's gonna be better for the 5.0 yet. aftermarket hasnt hit full swing on it. cool thing is, a 5.0 owner doesnt have ti care too much early on, cause seriously....if running 12's stock isnt fast enough for you out of the gate, you have issues. I dont think there will be as many boosting the 5.0 as with the 4.6....which begs for it.

the 5.0 is too good out of the box, and is rumored to get silly power with just intake tune and exhaust mods. again time will tell.

with the 4.6, there are some turbo lovers out there make no mistake, but I think most prefer the supercharger. maybe it goes beyond the numbers, who knows, but the supercharger systems for the 4.6 are so stable and reliable thats the route I would go. hell, the 330 hp or so I have with the intake and 89 octane tune is fast enough for me now....christ if I didn't have a family member PBA card in Jersey I could very well have 2 tickets already.,

the 3.73 gears help, and I think I'm going to get an aliminum, driveshaft to get more of that power to the ground. I take how the car feels and handles far more seriously than HP numbers. ya can't drive numbers.

When i say i feel Turbo has more potential i didn't mean only for mustangs i just meant in general i think turbo is a better setup.
There is no doubt a supercharger can get the job done. There are plenty of KB supercharged mustangs out there that are a force to be reckoned with.
And 12's isn't fast enough.:D

Jstas

TouchOfEvil wrote: »

You got some proof or just wanna stir a pot of ongoing debates of turbo vs supercharger?
Like i said IMO, a turbo has more potential. No parasitic loss, typical run more boost you can run progressive controllers to give boost as you gain rpm to limit spin etc etc....i feel it is a better setup.

Obviously your experience is limited because you can get all those fancy doodads for a supercharger as well.

I'm not "debating" anything with you or anyone else for that matter.

I've run both. A Supercharger can have much smoother power application because it is based directly upon engine RPM and not dependent upon exhaust flow. When you are trying to build power, a supercharger very well can do it better than a turbo charger. Besides that, centrifugal superchargers are just as and sometimes more efficient at building power than turbochargers.

Also, turbochargers do have parasitic loss. They create back pressure which takes engine power to overcome. You lose power in pumping losses pushing the exhaust gases through the impellers. As far as running more boost, that's benchracing at it's best. Boost is dictated by many things from compressor design to the ratio between the drive mechanism and the compressor design. CFMis what you are more likely thinking of and a modern centrifugal supercharger can push as much air if not more than a turbocharger.

Turbochargers are limited in the respect that they have to be tuned for a certain band of exhaust flow. Make the impeller too aggressive and it'll run out of breath at the top end and fall on it's face. Make it too conservative and you might never reach peak boost before you run out of engine. They are difficult to tune, temperamental and, honestly, fragile. A supercharger has many of the same problems but they are easier to set up because they are fixed and output the same boost and CFM at a given RPM every time. There are many trade-offs and to go in to them all for each one would take much more time that I am willing to devote.

On paper and for the benchracers on the Internet, turbochargers work out better. Fundamentally and ideally they do work out better than superchargers. Once you hit reality though, you don't get "fundamental" results from either one because the environment they run in is far less than ideal. I've run cars with dual 88mm turbos pushing 40 pounds of boost that ran worse than when it had a single Vortech pushing 42 pounds of boost. The funny thing is, the guy who was running it thought that the dual turbos was better because there were two of them. The Vortech pushed more boost and flowed 344 cfm more air. It made more power and delivered it better. The car would grunt, carry the front wheels through the 60 foot mark and just peddle to the finish line with the Vortech. With the turbos, he had to sit on the throttle during staging to get boost up and when he let go of the transbrake, the RPMs were so high it would shoot out like a rubber band and get loose. He'd have to shift in to 2nd before the 300 foot mark to keep the engine from blowing up. When he did shift, the engine would load up on fuel and fall on its face and then come alive again and break the wheels loose at the 1,000 foot mark. The supercharger was consistent and the turbo setup didn't make more power until he went to dual 115mm turbos and pegged the dyno at 2700 horses. There was ALOT of tuning work done to the car. So much so he missed half of a racing season. The dual 88's only made about 1800 horsepower and the Vortech made just over 1900.

I'm not going to argue the science, it's there, it's fact. I can argue reality based on hard earn experience all day but, where's it going to get me? You'll be pissed off at me and you'll still think I'm wrong. But making a statement like "or better yet a turbo 5.0 because a supercharger has less potential.IMO." is naive and adding the "IMO" at the end is kinda like a disclaimer saying that you're only writing what you've read about.

sucks2beme

The best feature of the new Mustangs isn't what you'd think. The built in blind spot mirrors are outstanding. I checked it out on I35. As soon as a car on the left or right disappeared from the side mirror, it was clear as day in the spot mirror. Somebody did a lot of tweaking to get that right.

exalted512

sucks2beme wrote: »

The best feature of the new Mustangs isn't what you'd think. The built in blind spot mirrors are outstanding. I checked it out on I35. As soon as a car on the left or right disappeared from the side mirror, it was clear as day in the spot mirror. Somebody did a lot of tweaking to get that right.

pfft. Its a ford. Why do they even need rear view mirrors except maybe for the older mustangs. They should put some built in binoculars so they can see how far everyone is in front of them.
:p:p:p:p:p:p

Actually, I would absolutely die to get some wheel time in a new 5.0. I wonder when the next big body change is coming, seems like they're due for one in the near future.
-Cody

nguyendot

the .95g skidpad is pretty impressive for a stock mustang...too.

Jstas

sucks2beme wrote: »

The best feature of the new Mustangs isn't what you'd think. The built in blind spot mirrors are outstanding. I checked it out on I35. As soon as a car on the left or right disappeared from the side mirror, it was clear as day in the spot mirror. Somebody did a lot of tweaking to get that right.

Good, it's needed! Those sail panels on the C pillars are huge. You could hide a dump truck in there!

I had the same issue with my Thunderbird. I use to change lanes on people without even knowing they were there 'cause they were sitting in my blind spot. And the itty bitty mirrors they jam on cars now are no where near adequate to cover the blind spots.

TouchOfEvil

Jstas wrote: »

Obviously your experience is limited because you can get all those fancy doodads for a supercharger as well.

But making a statement like "or better yet a turbo 5.0 because a supercharger has less potential.IMO." is naive and adding the "IMO" at the end is kinda like a disclaimer saying that you're only writing what you've read about.

Just like yourself i too have had plenty of first hand experience with both setups. The IMO is because there is always someone like yourself and myself as well who will disagree. Everyone has had a setup perform on way or other and it has lead them to their own beliefs. That is why i said IMO.
Anyway like ya said i won't argue with you, i simply feel based off of what i have been a part of and done on my own turbo is better for all out performance.
A supercharger will almost always feel better because of the rpm aspect but a turbo will net you better 1/4 times when setup properly.

ohskigod

TouchOfEvil wrote: »

A supercharger will almost always feel better because of the rpm aspect but a turbo will net you better 1/4 times when setup properly.

well, that locks my choice more. i'm 295 lbs. quarter mile times will never be my cup of tea. lol

I use my mustang as a balanced performance car, it took some suspension work to get it there but I love the car in the twisties now. give me a nice mountain road with plenty of curves and I am happy as a clam.

zingo

concealer404

Urg. The old turbo vs. supercharger debate. Really?

It depends on the car, and that's really the end of it.

Joe08867

As far as the New 5.0 is concerned. Damn nice car. I am a Chevy guy but have alwys had a soft spot for Mustangs. And man is the new one a nice ride.

Now back to the debate.

Supercharger vs Turbocharger.
In my personal experience Turbos are exciting but for Drag racing I think Superchargers have the perfect mix. They come on much smoother and that equals 60ft times. Waiting for the wave of boost to hit in a huge turbo machine just doesn't work for me.

Although I would take either in the new Mustang.

ohskigod

I just got some service done on my Mustang, and there were ALOT of 07-10 Stangs there...assumedly traded in for the 11's, as there was only one 11 on the lot (a fully loaded 6er for 30k (ouch)

if someone wanted the old 6cyl mustang for cheap, now is the time. that 4.0 is a slug, but not with a centri supercharger. I again implore to google "terlingua mustang" to see what a 6 banger can do

there was an 07 candy apple red GT on the lot 8000 miles. I laughed cause thats the same scenario as me, but his wasn't modified at all, as mine is.

still keeping mine.

sucks2beme

ohskigod wrote: »

I just got some service done on my Mustang, and there were ALOT of 07-10 Stangs there...assumedly traded in for the 11's, as there was only one 11 on the lot (a fully loaded 6er for 30k (ouch)

if someone wanted the old 6cyl mustang for cheap, now is the time. that 4.0 is a slug, but not with a centri supercharger. I again implore to google "terlingua mustang" to see what a 6 banger can do

there was an 07 candy apple red GT on the lot 8000 miles. I laughed cause thats the same scenario as me, but his wasn't modified at all, as mine is.

still keeping mine.

I found 1 new 2011 v6 at $24.4k. Cloth, auto air, manual seats, CC.
Cloth breathes better here in Tejas, and power seats are a PITA on a
sports car. Nice but not great wheels. They all have 4 wheel discs.
No little blue interior lights or cell phone sync, but I'd never use any of that.
The old v6 isn't all that great. Just as well buy a Fusion.

Airplay355

.95 on the skidpad is definitely nice I've got to say, I've been pretty disgusted with Fords until recently. Some of their stuff is surprising me. I wish they'd bring this little guy to the states http://www.ford.co.uk/Cars/NewFocusRS