An (un)Perfect Game
zombie boy 2000
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I'm actually a bit surprised no one's started a thread on this yet. And with MLB meeting today to discuss a possible overruling of the erroneous call that cost Galarraga becoming the 21st player ever to pitch a perfect game, I'm interested in what side of the fence everyone falls on. Obviously, the call was a complete and utter flub of epic proportions. The question is whether or not Selig and company should have the right to make such a ground-breaking decision by reversing the call after the game.
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
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I was initially on the fence, but I think I'll stand with my No position, I just think it sets a precedance and potentially opens a can of worms.
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It looked to me like a clear case of a tie being awarded to the runner. The replays I have seen do show clearly that the ball was to the base before the runner. What to me is not as clear is was the foot of the pitcher on the bag before the foot of the runner gets there. His foot was OVER the base but I could not see any contact WITH the base. I must side with the call on this one. What is bad precident in my eyes was the near immediate backing away from the call the umpire made in this case as this has only fanned the flames of controversy.
Make the call as you see it and stand by it was the way things were always done in baseball. Now everything will be open for debate, and the infallibility of the umpire will never be the same again.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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NO
Human beings are imperfect.
What happened was clearly not fair, but that's called life. You win some, you lose some. The poor message it would send to so many people and the damage caused by overturning the call would far more than just allowing this mistake to stand. -
The world is guided by their emotions, though:
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At the same time, it's a child's game played by grown men. How seriously should we be taking it?
It's not necessarily the integrity of the game in question but rather the question of the application of technology that can, if used properly, help compensate for the human factor.Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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Just for the record, I voted "NO". As a side thought, I can't help but think the gods of baseball are somehow righting the ship with the recent rash of perfect games. Two (poss three) in four weeks. Three (poss four) in 11 months. All this after only seventeen in over 120 years. It just doesn't feel right.I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
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Who had the perfect games? I know Halladay did and that one was legitimate. I'm not sure of the others.Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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Dallas Braden on Mother's Day. Mark Buehrle on July 28th of last year.I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
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Definitely not. I'd rather be known as the guy who got "robbed" of a perfect game than the guy who had the rules changed so he could be "given" a perfect game.
Neither of those phrases accurately describes the situation but that's how history would remember it.If you will it, dude, it is no dream. -
I saw two different replays, and the one from the 2nd base side it was hard to tell when the ball was actually in the glove. From that angle, tho, the runner looked out. Then I saw one from the other side where it was easier to see the trajectory of the ball relative to the glove and that really looked like a bang-bang play, tie goes to the runner, and I don't think you can fault the ump for a call either way on that. Just very close. The ump should shut his mouth and not add to the controversy.
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bobman1235 wrote: »I'd rather be known as the guy who got "robbed" of a perfect game than the guy who had the rules changed so he could be "given" a perfect game.
The funny thing being that he will probably be remembered more for his "near perfecto" than most of the others who were credited with an official one.I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore -
I say no. Baseball brought this on themselves by stubbornly refusing to implement instant replays. They want to keep the game "pure", well they got it and they should live with it.
Colin Cowherd nailed it today. "MLB is like a grumpy old man that refuses to get a hearing aid when he obviously cant hear squat."polkaudio sound quality competitor since 2005
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I never had it like this where I grew up. But I send my kids here because the fact is you go to one of the best schools in the country: Rushmore. Now, for some of you it doesn't matter. You were born rich and you're going to stay rich. But here's my advice to the rest of you: Take dead aim on the rich boys. Get them in the crosshairs and take them down. Just remember, they can buy anything but they can't buy backbone. Don't let them forget it. Thank you.Herman Blume - Rushmore
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Good for him.The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2300 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD
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I say no. Baseball brought this on themselves by stubbornly refusing to implement instant replays. They want to keep the game "pure", well they got it and they should live with it.
Colin Cowherd nailed it today. "MLB is like a grumpy old man that refuses to get a hearing aid when he obviously cant hear squat."
While I'm not opposed to instant replay, it's not like the technology is infallible either. Watched the NFL lately?
At some point you need to be able to play the game.
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zombie boy 2000 wrote: »
Good deal, whether one agrees with the ruling or not, it's settled. Sucks for Joyce but judging by his reaction, he was cool with it.Expert Moron Extraordinaire
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Galarraga and the ump have spoken and Galarraga even gave the guy a hug and told him don't worry about it. I think Galarraga is going with if it was meant to be it will be thought process. I think is was good that Bud made this announcement already and not let this topic sit out there and gain more bad press from MLB umps.If life had more tubes it would be a lot smoother.
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zombie boy 2000 wrote: »I'm interested in what side of the fence everyone falls on?
trust me, sometimes it's best not to know with this group
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and Galarragaaaa just got a new Vette out of the deal..
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To think of how rare a perfect game is boggles my mind and to see one get crapped out like that just sucks. To put it in perspective. There have been 20 perfect games which is the same number of grand slams A-Rod has hit...
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While I'm not opposed to instant replay, it's not like the technology is infallible either. Watched the NFL lately?
At some point you need to be able to play the game.
You win some you should have lost and you lose some you should have won. Life in general is that way.
Huh? Instant replays have made NFL a ton better. Not only does it make it a lot more certain the right calls are being made, but its also kinda fun. When Im watching games with my buddies, its the instant replays that get us most involved by watching and trying to make our own calls.
Baseball is ridiculously long to begin with. All theyd have to do is stop letting the batter step in and out of the batters box 50 times. That would shave an easy 30 minutes off of each game.
Do it like the NFL in that each team has 2 challenges. That way you dont have a stoppage after every call.polkaudio sound quality competitor since 2005
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I thought his point about NFL replays is they don't always get it right / the technology doesn't always solve the problem. It seems more often than not you can't see the play too well and the call is just left as is.If you will it, dude, it is no dream.
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Huh? Instant replays have made NFL a ton better. Not only does it make it a lot more certain the right calls are being made, but its also kinda fun. When Im watching games with my buddies, its the instant replays that get us most involved by watching and trying to make our own calls.
Baseball is ridiculously long to begin with. All theyd have to do is stop letting the batter step in and out of the batters box 50 times. That would shave an easy 30 minutes off of each game.
Do it like the NFL in that each team has 2 challenges. That way you dont have a stoppage after every call.bobman1235 wrote: »I thought his point about NFL replays is they don't always get it right / the technology doesn't always solve the problem. It seems more often than not you can't see the play too well and the call is just left as is.
Bob has it.
Like I said, I am not against instant replay but I am pointing out that it is not fail safe by any stretch. I can't tell you the number of times the refs get a call wrong even with several looks under the hood. Among fans there is as much bitching about calls in the NFL as there has ever been.
Besides, I'm not sure if you're aware but the MLB has instant replay, its just limited in its use, which is a good thing.
We can argue all day to what extent it should be used, but when all is said and done the human element is part of the game -- right and wrong.
