MIT Terminator 2 or AVT S3

heiney9
heiney9 Posts: 25,179
edited May 2010 in 2 Channel Audio
Just looking for opinions and discussion. I have an opportunity to buy a brand new pair or MIT AVt S3 8' speaker cables. I currently have have the older (smooth box) Terminator 2's. Many have commented the AVt's are a step up from the T2's.

What's the consensus here? My plan was to grab a pair of Shotgun's someday but they are just too expensive at this time. The AVt S3 are the entry level AVt as the S1 and S2 are supposed to be even better.

I'm not going to go through the hassle of selling my T2's if there really isn't a difference. I suppose I could get the AVt S3's and then compare the two and sell the one I like least.

I am getting tired of swapping tubes, cable and gear lately, one of these days I'd just like to be done for awhile and enjoy the superb system I've built......perhaps that will never happen in this hobby :p

H9
"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited May 2010
    Why not just save up and do it right?
    "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." Friedrich Nietzsche
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,179
    edited May 2010
    Face wrote: »
    Why not just save up and do it right?

    That's a thought but frankly I'd rather move up the Pass line than the MIT line at this point. Don't get me wrong I think the MIT's are worth it. I just don't have it. To replace my IC's and speaker cables with Shotgun's would realistically be about $1.5K. That money added to the sale of the Aleph would go along way to a new Pass amp.

    For me it's about the best area to compromise because I don't have unlimited funds. Do I really need to replace the Aleph.................HELL NO, but one can dream a little :p:D

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,179
    edited May 2010
    Never mind, should have jumped on them this morning. Guy had 5 new pairs in the box listed for $110/pr. Now they are listed at $399/pr.

    Gotta love ebay shisters.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited May 2010
    heiney9 wrote: »
    My plan was to grab a pair of Shotgun's someday but they are just too expensive at this time. H9

    Do it anyway. Its not like you are getting out of the hobby anytime soon. Might as well enjoy it now. ;)
    madmax
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,179
    edited May 2010
    madmax wrote: »
    Do it anyway. Its not like you are getting out of the hobby anytime soon. Might as well enjoy it now. ;)
    madmax

    I agree, but for that model that's not really a good price. For less than $100 more I can buy a pair of used Shotgun S3's. I still have my Terminator II's. At $140 that was a helluva deal!!! At $399.............he can suck it! :D

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,179
    edited May 2010
    Keiko wrote: »
    WTF? You can buy them directly from MIT for 349.00. :confused:

    http://www.mitcables.com/available-in-stores/speaker-interfaces/avt-3-speaker-cable.html

    eprey scumbag.

    I sent him a nasty email.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited May 2010
    heiney9 wrote: »
    I agree, but for that model that's not really a good price. For less than $100 more I can buy a pair of used Shotgun S3's. I still have my Terminator II's. At $140 that was a helluva deal!!! At $399.............he can suck it! :D

    H9

    You misunderstood, I meant to go for the shotguns. ;)
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,179
    edited May 2010
    madmax wrote: »
    You misunderstood, I meant to go for the shotguns. ;)

    Ahhhhhh, I need some encouragement!
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • miner
    miner Posts: 1,305
    edited May 2010
    Heiney9,
    I have a new, unused (gift) 8' pair of AVT S1 I will sell to you for $350. PM me if interested.

    Miner
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  • cstmar01
    cstmar01 Posts: 4,424
    edited May 2010
    If you do notice a big difference between them let me know. I called MIT yesterday to get an idea and Steve stated they are very close to being the same cable and that if I (I have T2's for speaker cable as well, AVT3 IC's) would be looking to upgrade he would recommend the shotgun line or CVT which replaced the shotgun line. He stated audio nerd USA who is an authorized dealer does take MIT's on trade in if someone would be interested in getting the CVT's or Shotguns.
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,179
    edited May 2010
    ^^^ good to know. I thought I had read that as well.

    I'm just going to hold out for some Shotgun speaker cables. I demo'd the CVT's (hybrids) in my rig and didn't think they were a good fit. But, I've changed up some things recently which would most likely make the CVT's a choice as well.

    H9
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass Pass Labs XA25 | EE Avant Pre | EE Mini Max Supreme DAC | MIT Shotgun S1 | Pangea AC14SE MKII | Legend L600 | BlueSound Node 3 - Tubes add soul!
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  • cstmar01
    cstmar01 Posts: 4,424
    edited May 2010
    heiney9 wrote: »
    ^^^ good to know. I thought I had read that as well.

    I'm just going to hold out for some Shotgun speaker cables. I demo'd the CVT's (hybrids) in my rig and didn't think they were a good fit. But, I've changed up some things recently which would most likely make the CVT's a choice as well.

    H9

    no problem. Steve asked me what I was running for gear ect and I told him. He was very nice and more than helpful and said that really the AVT and Terminator lines are similar that it probably wouldn't be "the best bang for my buck" to then go and get he AVT speaker cables to match my ICs. However now I will have to save or see about maybe getting a good deal on some shotguns haha.
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