Meridian Director USB DAC

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  • heiney9heiney9 Posts: 23,730
    I'm German........absolutely no Kethup or Catsup on a bratwurst or any other German sausage!
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,835
    edited March 11
    It's funny that for guys who never listen to mp3s and wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole, you sure seem to know a lot about them.

    Are you sure you aren't basing your opinions about mp3 on that 128kbps Metallica track you downloaded off Napster back in 1999?

    If you'd do a few quick google searches about 320s vs FLAC, you'd see that a/b blind testing results show the difference being indistinguishable.
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,835
    Tony, as I mentioned to John a few posts up, I tried .wav files in my testing yesterday morning and I still noticed the same phase shifting ear fatiguing sensation from the apodizing filter.
    tonyb wrote: »
    I would suggest maybe playing a cd quality file through the Meridian and compare notes, see how that filter effects your ears on a different file format.

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  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 4,280
    Clipdat wrote: »
    It's funny that for guys who never listen to mp3s and wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole, you sure seem to know a lot about them.

    Are you sure you aren't basing your opinions about mp3 on that 128kbps Metallica track you downloaded off Napster back in 1999?

    If you'd do a few quick google searches about 320s vs FLAC, you'd see that a/b blind testing results show the differences being indistinguishable.

    That’s kinda like saying that since average joe box of wine drinker can’t tell the difference between his box cab and a $40 Napa cab, there isn’t a discernible difference.
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,835
    Nice try, but that's not a comparable or accurate analogy at all.
    rooftop59 wrote: »
    That’s kinda like saying that since average joe box of wine drinker can’t tell the difference between his box cab and a $40 Napa cab, there isn’t a discernible difference.

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  • AsSiMiLaTeDAsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,684
    Ok Clipdat now you’re just lashing out...

    My initial thoughts when seeing this thread were the same as Brock’s and Jesse, but I refrained from chiming in.

    Actually, the analogy from rooftop above is on point. Like with wine tasting for example, your ears have to be trained to hear a difference, simple as that.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,835
    edited March 11
    A more accurate analogy would be saying "In a blind tasting, the average wine drinker would be unable to taste a difference between a Cabernet Sauvignon of the same vintage grape from a winery in Napa versus one from Sonoma."
    Actually, the analogy from rooftop above is on point. Like with wine tasting for example, your ears have to be trained to hear a difference, simple as that.

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  • AsSiMiLaTeDAsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,684
    Nobody wants to play a game of semantics...you get the point. You can’t take an average group of people and do blind testing and expect them to hear a difference when they’re not trained to do so. Remember, the vast majority of people are fine with Bose and Beats...those are the people doing your blind tears. If you’re in that group the. Swapping DACs is gonna be a waste of your time and money.
  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,835
    Haha, here we go again with the extremely judgemental "it's a waste of your time and money" response.

    Out of the 5 DACs I've tried on my PC rig, none of them have been a "waste of time and money". Each one had their own unique sound signature that I could easily discern, even with my "casual listening" setup using 320s.
    Swapping DACs is gonna be a waste of your time and money.

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  • AsSiMiLaTeDAsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,684
    Ding ding ding, perfectly stated

  • mdaudioguymdaudioguy Posts: 4,414
    Thats what they are saying. You are taking this too personally as all we are saying is you owe it to yourself to try some higher fidelity files to see if that changes anything.
    Or, to be honest, he can keep doing what's he's doing, and if that makes him happy, fine. I'll sleep easy either way. :p
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,835
    320s aren't "mp3s with a low bitrate".
    MP3's with a low bitrate

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  • mdaudioguymdaudioguy Posts: 4,414
    Heck, it's just one data point here. Maybe someone else will review the same DAC with CD-quality FLACs, and then someone else can do it with 128s, and we'll see what conclusions they reach. I think this thread has run its course...
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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 3,835
    edited March 11
    Yeah it has run it's course, because all you guys do is foam at the mouth and dogpile when you see that someone is using *gasp* horrible quality EMM PEE THREES!

    If any of you actually stopped to read and comprehend, you'd see that I did test this DAC with .wav files as well.

    The mob mentality and blind rage for something that you don't consider to be "right" on this forum is absolutely ridiculous.
    mdaudioguy wrote: »
    Heck, it's just one data point here. Maybe someone else will review the same DAC with CD-quality FLACs, and then someone else can do it with 128s, and we'll see what conclusions they reach. I think this thread has run its course...

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  • mikeyb128mikeyb128 Posts: 2,723
    Clipdat wrote: »

    The mob mentality and blind rage for something that you don't consider to be "right" on this forum is absolutely ridiculous.

    Relax man. I haven’t seen any blind rage here. Take it back a few notches. You’re sort of flying off the handle for no reason. Everything will be ok, it’s just the internet.
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  • AsSiMiLaTeDAsSiMiLaTeD Posts: 11,684
    Jeezus you’re sensitive aren’t ya...good thing you weren’t around here in the early days lol
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  • nooshinjohnnooshinjohn Posts: 17,683
    edited March 11
    Have no fear my fellow Polkies. At 1:40 of the video, Lightman shows up to save the day.

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  • EndersShadowEndersShadow Posts: 15,659
    edited March 11
    mdaudioguy wrote: »
    Thats what they are saying. You are taking this too personally as all we are saying is you owe it to yourself to try some higher fidelity files to see if that changes anything.
    Or, to be honest, he can keep doing what's he's doing, and if that makes him happy, fine. I'll sleep easy either way. :p

    Totally agree. However we do him and the community a disservice by not pointing that a higher file rate may make things more enjoyable.

    My library still has some MP3's from before I knew better. Then I learned and HEARD what better was and redid as much as I could off my CD's in FLAC.

    I'm not suggesting the OP do that, simply saying he might try out some other file resolutions to see if he likes it better.

    But to each their own.
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  • EndersShadowEndersShadow Posts: 15,659
    edited March 11
    Clipdat wrote: »
    If any of you actually stopped to read and comprehend, you'd see that I did test this DAC with .wav files as well.

    Were the .wav files rips direct from the CD, or converted MP3's?

    "....not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted." William Bruce Cameron, Informal Sociology: A Casual Introduction to Sociological Thinking (1963)
  • mrbigbluelightmrbigbluelight Posts: 7,455
    On a side note, if that were The Lightman (pat.pending) at the 1:40 mark, he would get out of his truck and start spreading some of his special "de-icer".
    Sure, some folks might object but it would get the job done.

    A lesson to be learned, I'd say.
    .... not saying what that lesson would be, or that I'm right, but still: a lesson to be learned courtesy of The Lightman (t.m.). o:)
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  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 2,676
    MP3s will make your audio rack hum.
  • verbverb Posts: 2,689
    Viking64 wrote: »
    MP3s will make your audio rack hum.

    I've heard a slap upside the head causes humming too! :smiley:
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  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 2,676
    verb wrote: »
    I've heard a slap upside the head causes humming too! :smiley:
    Improper use of teeth during "humming" sometimes causes a slap upside the head. :p
  • heiney9heiney9 Posts: 23,730
    edited March 11
    Clipdat wrote: »
    It's funny that for guys who never listen to mp3s and wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole, you sure seem to know a lot about them.

    Are you sure you aren't basing your opinions about mp3 on that 128kbps Metallica track you downloaded off Napster back in 1999?

    If you'd do a few quick google searches about 320s vs FLAC, you'd see that a/b blind testing results show the difference being indistinguishable.

    Wrong again, I've done plenty of listening to many algorithms of MP3;s, they all are markedly inferior to a std file. MP3's dump information, information vital to reproducing the original sound accurately. I don't need to do Google searches, I learned it all on my own by experimenting. It wasn't a long experiment either, pretty apparent very early............really.

    Why would anyone take a 1441 kbps music file and subtract 78% of the info to pare it down to 320 kbps and think the sound quality wouldn't suffer? It's absurd to think it would sound as good. On a good system mp3's sound terrible compared to the original.

    P.S. Btw, you're the only one who's in a blind rage. Take a chill pill, and crank your favorite mp3's and relax.

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  • heiney9heiney9 Posts: 23,730
    edited March 11
    Clipdat wrote: »
    320s aren't "mp3s with a low bitrate".
    MP3's with a low bitrate

    They absolutely are. Standard bit rate is 1441, 320 is 78% less information compared to the original. It's a low bitrate end of story. If you are going to try and argue that, you are very lost in this hobby.
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 10,027
    verb wrote: »
    Viking64 wrote: »
    MP3s will make your audio rack hum.

    I've heard a slap upside the head causes humming too! :smiley:

    Nope THAT'S ringing :p
  • verbverb Posts: 2,689
    Viking64 wrote: »
    verb wrote: »
    I've heard a slap upside the head causes humming too! :smiley:
    Improper use of teeth during "humming" sometimes causes a slap upside the head. :p

    Does missing teeth also have an effect? :smiley:
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