The Most Famous Speaker in the History of Rock

... for those who remember the 60's and 70's !!!!

... transition of audio preferences over the ages.

- Remember the JBL 100's and then the Pioneer HPM 100's (200 watt version)

http://audiophilereview.com/affordable-speakers/the-most-famous-speaker-in-the-history-of-rock.html

... have a pair of Pioneer HPM 100's ( 200 watt version ) passing thru. I had the JBL 100's for a few years back in the 70's. Awesome sound for parties. Best bass back then.

Have to admit they still sound great for most Music. BUTTTT they need to be tamed.

...Mellower amps are a MUST. Now just being tested in a HK 6.1 receiver - 2 channel. Next up is B&K pro10mc with B&K ST 200 . Can't wait !!

....... and then in a B&K AVR 307 setup . Welcome in the New Year !!! Lots to do and so little TIME !!

Happy Holidays !!
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 15,617
    edited December 2016
    (FWIW)

    Not a fan of either, even though I own, use, and love a pair of the loudspeakers which directly "inspired" the L-100 (well, more accurately, the studio monitor morph thereof, the 4311 family) -- the Altec Duplex (604E in my case, with Doug Sax' MasteringLabs crossovers).

    9595255688_0227082e9d_b.jpgDSC_5746 by Mark Hardy, on Flickr

    The L-100 & HPM-100 are rough and tumble loudspeakers -- although I agree, in principle, with your amplifier assessment.

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    Image from www.audioheritage.org


    I have a pair of HPM-1100s (from the next series of "HPM" loudspeakers from Pioneer). They're actually not half-bad with vacuum tube amplification (I used them, briefly, with a Dynaco SCA-35; a bare-bones PP EL84 integrated amplifier).


    10541818085_d115e2e01d_b.jpgHPM1100 by Mark Hardy, on Flickr

    The L-100 and the HPM-100'll both certainly play loud, though. They just always sound to me like they have to work at it. They draw a lot of attention to themselves -- which is not my idea of a desirable trait in a loudspeaker. YMMV, though, of course.


    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 15,617
    Oh, also FWIW -- one of my favorite rock test tracks for loudspeaker behavior is the Black Crowes' "Hard to Handle" (from Shake Your Money Maker). There's a fine line between soul-stirring grittiness and ear-gouging cacophony, and that track (actually, most of the album) straddles it. Sounds great on some loudspeakers, and is just about unbearable on others.

    Sounds great -- to me -- on the Duplexes.

    How's it sound on the Centuries and the HPM-100s?

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

  • Msabot1Msabot1 Posts: 1,920
    Have a pair of JBL 120Ti's that will still hold their own when you 'put the spurs' to em...
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    No WAF there
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  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 3,800
    After the "teen radio shack phase" I had a set of the L100 and then the L150. The L150 about 10 years or so ago I got rid of. Sometimes I think I should have kept them and upgraded the binding posts and crossovers.
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 15,617
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    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

  • motorstereomotorstereo Posts: 651
    Cool Beans Mark..........you're trading in your Altec co-axes for a pair of JBL 100's!!! Listening impressions please :)
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 15,617
    The L100 was - after all - designed to replace the Duplex in the world's radio & recording studios ;)

    http://www.audioheritage.org/html/profiles/jbl/l100.htm

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    but - yeah - not happenin' :)
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  • erniejadeerniejade Posts: 3,800
    They are re-releasing theL100
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 15,617
    That they are.
    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 15,617
    edited January 11
    There are a few JBL components around the house -- two of them are even in use.

    :)

    32398308763_9ab0b73a8c_h.jpgDSC_7248 by Mark Hardy, on Flickr

    30302966376_760068a31e_h.jpgDSC_6253 by Mark Hardy, on Flickr

    Does this photo give any sense of scale? The horns in this latter photo are about 30 inches wide. The 2441 driver weighs about 35 lb.
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  • MrBuhlMrBuhl Posts: 2,039
    Personally I always thought this was the most famous speaker in R&R.

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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 15,617
    MrBuhl wrote: »
    Personally I always thought this was the most famous speaker in R&R.

    ncg3zvpmneds.jpg

    as seen elsewhere on this site :)

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    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 15,617

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    :|
    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

  • Msabot1Msabot1 Posts: 1,920
    Yep..Stanley's Wall Of Sound..That guy sure had his act together concerning stage reinforcement..way ahead of his time...Pain in the tush to transport though..it was said it took three semi's to haul all that gear...
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 15,617
    To stay on topic :)

    Mostly JBL drivers in the Wall of Sound, too -- although it was also rife with EV diffraction horn tweeters. I can only hope they were T-350s* and not T-35s! ;)

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    * Probably T-350s: Bear likely would've spared no expense working with the Dead's money ;)
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 15,617
    They do look like T-350s to me (as opposed to T-35s).

    T350
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    T35
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  • dromundsdromunds Posts: 6,411
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    There are a few JBL components around the house -- two of them are even in use.

    :)

    Mhardy: I have a few of the vintage JBL components around the house as well, most notably using a pair of 15" JBL Pro Series 2235h low frequency drivers housed in JBL designed FYI sub enclosures. Those babies are nice and totally disappear. Always wanted to try them with some of the Pro Series tweeters and horns such as you depict.
  • sucks2bemesucks2beme Posts: 4,783
    Had a set of l100's for decades. Fun rock speaker, but flawed.
    Ditto the HPM. As soon as my listening expanded, so did my search for speakers.
    I even re-purchased a set, only to sell them. At lower sound levels and listening
    other types of music, they just didn't cut it.
    You did forget to mention the Bose 901 series.
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  • mikeyb128mikeyb128 Posts: 2,533
    For those that haven’t heard the new JBL synthesis series, really owe it to themselves to have a listen. And make sure they don’t mind turning it up. They sure are ugly though. 088zz7av05ad.jpeg
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 15,617
    dromunds wrote: »
    mhardy6647 wrote: »
    There are a few JBL components around the house -- two of them are even in use.

    :)

    Mhardy: I have a few of the vintage JBL components around the house as well, most notably using a pair of 15" JBL Pro Series 2235h low frequency drivers housed in JBL designed FYI sub enclosures. Those babies are nice and totally disappear. Always wanted to try them with some of the Pro Series tweeters and horns such as you depict.

    Truth be told, I suspect a pair of JBL woofers is somewhere in my future. The poor Duplex LF units (which are kinda sorta Altec 515s -- kinda, sorta) are far less sensitive in vented boxes than is a 2441 on a 500 Hz horn :( I have the JBLs padded down a lot.

    Truth be told, Altec 802Ds on those EMILAR horns are b!tchen, but I just kind of
    sort of like having those massively purposeful looking 2-inch JBL drivers on there. :|
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  • dromundsdromunds Posts: 6,411
    Here's one of my 2235h LF woofers in its enclosure. Those JBL Professional Series were nice.

    https://us.v-cdn.net/5021930/uploads/editor/kt/y48bbksz21hr.jpg
  • nbrowsernbrowser Posts: 7,146
    mikeyb128 wrote: »
    For those that haven’t heard the new JBL synthesis series, really owe it to themselves to have a listen. And make sure they don’t mind turning it up. They sure are ugly though. 088zz7av05ad.jpeg

    If those sound that good, looks wouldn't put me off. Heck look at the big wide coffins called SDAs I have, they sound fab and arrren't the prettiest...yet.
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 15,617
    yeah, they're beefy -- as were the 515s, I must say.

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    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 15,617
    Notice any similarity in these early 1980s Pioneer (later TAD) drivers? :p

    10557043214_b1af7a8d18_b.jpgHPM1100 woofer front by Mark Hardy, on Flickr

    Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

    12347809405_f08f274897_b.jpgHPM1100wooferrear by Mark Hardy, on Flickr
    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 15,617
    OK, thanks to Stereophile we now have a full-frontal photo of the new JBL L100 Classic -- and some wry prose.

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    https://www.stereophile.com/content/jbl-l100-classic-retro-safety-orange-foam-grill-included
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  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 15,617
    ^^^ I'm with him.
    When I look at my Frankenaltecs, that is pretty much what I imagine I see.
    Sort of like beer goggles, I suppose.

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 8,301
    edited January 13
    mikeyb128 wrote: »
    For those that haven’t heard the new JBL synthesis series, really owe it to themselves to have a listen. And make sure they don’t mind turning it up. They sure are ugly though. 088zz7av05ad.jpeg

    Those owe it to the Everest series and yes very much eyes and ear candy.

    People used to make fun of my JBL HLS610's i used in all positions in my HT, they played WAY above the price i paid for them. There is something about the horns JBL used that don't Ice pick my ears the way Klipsch does.

    A lot of the JBL stuff i really liked but they also had some real dogs in their kennels.
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 15,617
    edited January 13
    Most JBL horns do "ice pick" me :(
    (and Klipsch -- well, the Cornwalls have been gone from our house for a pretty long time)

    I'm finally starting to catch on vis-a-vis the sweet, smooth horns, thanks to enablers like Joe Rosen :)

    This being said, I'm open-eared when it comes to the current JBL offerings -- although they're not the super-high-sensitivity JBLs of old (which is a bit of a demotivator for a fleapower guy like me).
    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

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