Cart/Stylus for Pioneer PL510

Decided to get the TT back up and running, need to get the belt replaced and a proper stylus. Originally the TT came with the Pioneer headshell and an Empire Cart/Stylus (Don't remember model number but may be able to dig it up. I have since switched to an Ortofon Pro S and do not like the sound. What is a good affordable alternative where I can use the original headshell? Budget is around 50 bones or so as I don't listen as much as I used to.

Thanks!
Living room

Mains: Paradigm 90P
Lows: Velodyne CHT12, Pioneer SW-8Mk2
Power: Marantz SR7000
Tv: Samsung UHD 55' Curved 4k

2 Channel Den

Mains: SDA2B Upgraded XOs and Binding Posts
Pre: Denon PRA-1200
Power: Yamaha AV34
TT: Pioneer PL510
Tv: Samsung UHD 55' 4K

Noggin Rockin'

Phillips L2
Grado SE80
Harman Kardon CL
Little dot 1+/GE JAN 5654w

Closet of Dreams:

Harman Kardon AVR130
Yamaha HTR5590
Polk RTA11TL
Polk TSI200s
New Large Advents 25th Anniversary Edition
Bravo V2/RCA Clear top Conn branded 12AU7

"Temptation is the manifestation of desire which equals necessity." - Mikey081057
" I have always had a champange taste with a beer budget" - Rick88
"Just because the thread is getting views don't mean much .. I like a good train wreck doesn't mean i want to be in one..." - pitdogg2

Comments

  • I do want to mention I can look up resources for recommendations but I wanted to get your opinions and I am COMPLETELY lost on almost any knowledge of TTs, carts, stylus and set up.
    Living room

    Mains: Paradigm 90P
    Lows: Velodyne CHT12, Pioneer SW-8Mk2
    Power: Marantz SR7000
    Tv: Samsung UHD 55' Curved 4k

    2 Channel Den

    Mains: SDA2B Upgraded XOs and Binding Posts
    Pre: Denon PRA-1200
    Power: Yamaha AV34
    TT: Pioneer PL510
    Tv: Samsung UHD 55' 4K

    Noggin Rockin'

    Phillips L2
    Grado SE80
    Harman Kardon CL
    Little dot 1+/GE JAN 5654w

    Closet of Dreams:

    Harman Kardon AVR130
    Yamaha HTR5590
    Polk RTA11TL
    Polk TSI200s
    New Large Advents 25th Anniversary Edition
    Bravo V2/RCA Clear top Conn branded 12AU7

    "Temptation is the manifestation of desire which equals necessity." - Mikey081057
    " I have always had a champange taste with a beer budget" - Rick88
    "Just because the thread is getting views don't mean much .. I like a good train wreck doesn't mean i want to be in one..." - pitdogg2
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 17,621
    Well -- I like Grado but I do not know if that particular Pioneer would have issues with hum (the Grados are infamously un-shielded).

    The Grado Black has gotten to be more than fiddy smackers, though.
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • mhardy6647 wrote: »
    Well -- I like Grado but I do not know if that particular Pioneer would have issues with hum (the Grados are infamously un-shielded).

    The Grado Black has gotten to be more than fiddy smackers, though.

    I read online someone recommended the Grado Black Cart, I assume they know they are un-shielded. I might go that direction, is there anything I need to know about this cart? Sound signature, certain phono pre specs I need to meet etc? I plan on using my Marantz PM325 and running them to my Polk TSI200s.
    Living room

    Mains: Paradigm 90P
    Lows: Velodyne CHT12, Pioneer SW-8Mk2
    Power: Marantz SR7000
    Tv: Samsung UHD 55' Curved 4k

    2 Channel Den

    Mains: SDA2B Upgraded XOs and Binding Posts
    Pre: Denon PRA-1200
    Power: Yamaha AV34
    TT: Pioneer PL510
    Tv: Samsung UHD 55' 4K

    Noggin Rockin'

    Phillips L2
    Grado SE80
    Harman Kardon CL
    Little dot 1+/GE JAN 5654w

    Closet of Dreams:

    Harman Kardon AVR130
    Yamaha HTR5590
    Polk RTA11TL
    Polk TSI200s
    New Large Advents 25th Anniversary Edition
    Bravo V2/RCA Clear top Conn branded 12AU7

    "Temptation is the manifestation of desire which equals necessity." - Mikey081057
    " I have always had a champange taste with a beer budget" - Rick88
    "Just because the thread is getting views don't mean much .. I like a good train wreck doesn't mean i want to be in one..." - pitdogg2
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 17,621
    edited December 2017
    I dunno, I've used Grados on and off for nearly four decades. They have a rich, lush sound that - to me - gets one in the ballpark of a good low output MC for (in the case of the Black) a fraction of the price. My opinion -- which may not reflect current thinking on these! -- is they're pretty undemanding in terms of loading and have good output (i.e., don't need more than average gain). There are - at the higher price points - low output versions of some Grado cartridges... but not for the Black (at least AFAIK).

    In full disclosure, in some arms, Grados will exhibit some weird tracing behavior known as "the Grado dance". I'll also note that the 1970s-style "S" shaped Japanese massmarket tt arms, in principle, are a bot on the high-ish mass side for the fairly high compliance Grados.... but I've used a Grado FTE+1 (essentially the 1970s equivalent to the Black -- the entry-level Grado elliptical ca. 1977, @ $13 :)) on a PL-512xD with, I thought, good results.

    10652425536_eb9ab10828_z.jpgEL84PPstereoconsole by Mark Hardy, on Flickr
    (you can't actually see it in that photo, but there was an FTE+1 in that Pioneer tt in a basement system we had in MA for years)

    As a point of comparison, I don't like the sound of any A-T cartridges that I can afford! I find them thin and brittle sounding. I feel sort of the same way about affordable (modern) Ortofons, too.

    Many (many) folks will disagree with me on both of the latter, and probably on my "recommendation", too! :p

    Sorry about that!
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • Thanks for the run down Doc! You haven't steered me wrong yet so I'll probably take your advice and just get the Grado Black. I have a decent turn table that's just collecting dust and would rather put it to use than not. I mostly moved over to cds due to the inconsistency I get from my vinyl collection but always preferred playing anything pre 1980s through that medium amd I got plenty of it.
    Living room

    Mains: Paradigm 90P
    Lows: Velodyne CHT12, Pioneer SW-8Mk2
    Power: Marantz SR7000
    Tv: Samsung UHD 55' Curved 4k

    2 Channel Den

    Mains: SDA2B Upgraded XOs and Binding Posts
    Pre: Denon PRA-1200
    Power: Yamaha AV34
    TT: Pioneer PL510
    Tv: Samsung UHD 55' 4K

    Noggin Rockin'

    Phillips L2
    Grado SE80
    Harman Kardon CL
    Little dot 1+/GE JAN 5654w

    Closet of Dreams:

    Harman Kardon AVR130
    Yamaha HTR5590
    Polk RTA11TL
    Polk TSI200s
    New Large Advents 25th Anniversary Edition
    Bravo V2/RCA Clear top Conn branded 12AU7

    "Temptation is the manifestation of desire which equals necessity." - Mikey081057
    " I have always had a champange taste with a beer budget" - Rick88
    "Just because the thread is getting views don't mean much .. I like a good train wreck doesn't mean i want to be in one..." - pitdogg2
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 17,621
    Yeah, me, too.
    My estimate is ca. 3k record albums -- Mrs. H thinks it's more like 6k.

    :|

    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
  • skrolskrol Posts: 2,618
    I have an old Grado "G" cart on my PL-530 and love it. I also tried it on a PL-518 with same results. Results further improve with a Parasound phono pre-amp.
    Stan

    Main 2ch:
    Polk LSi15 (DB840 upgrade), Parasound: P/LD-1100, HCA-1000A; Denon: DVD-2910, DRM-800A; Monster HTS3600-MKII, Grado SR-225i

    HT:
    Denon AVR-888, Polk: RTA11TL (RDO198-1, XO and Damping Upgrades), S4, CS250, PSW10, Marantz UD5005, Panasonic TC-P42S60

    Other stuff:
    Denon: DRA-835R, DCD-660, DRM-700A, DRR-780; Polk: S8, Monitor 5A, TSi100; Pioneer: CT-6R, PL-530; Onkyo CP-1046F; Ortofon OM5E, Marantz: PM5004, CD5004, Polk: RM7, Parasound C/PT-600, HCA-800ii
  • nbrowsernbrowser Posts: 7,914
    edited December 2017
    skrol wrote: »
    I have an old Grado "G" cart on my PL-530 and love it. I also tried it on a PL-518 with same results. Results further improve with a Parasound phono pre-amp.

    I find it amazing how a little box like the Zphono can improve sound. It's a go to for affordable phono preamp duties.
    Living room: Samsung UN55KU7000 4K UHD HDR 55 inch TV, Marantz CD6004, Pro-Ject Debut Carbon, Parasound zPhono, Mac Mini, Oppo BDP-93, XBox One S 2Tb, Kenwood DPX792BH car deck for radio purposes, Marantz SR5010 AVR, Parasound HCA-1200II, Front SDA 2 modded with Larrys Rings and RD0-194-1 tweeters, Rear Onkyo SKF-4800 Towers, Center CSiA6, BOOM Tannoy TS2.12 Sub, Audioquest Evergreen interconnects just about everywhere except from AVR to amp, MIT Terminator 4, MIT AVT3 speaker cables with extra terminals covered up Monitor 5 Jr+ in the wings for a center channel.
  • halohalo Posts: 4,014
    edited December 2017
    The Schiit Mani @ $129 has been getting a lot of favorable reviews and I agree that the Parasound zphono is also a nice "budget" option. I have also tried the Art DJ Pre II and it's a ridiculously good value just to get you started. I'm no longer using the DJ pre II since I got the Bottlehead pre going in my setup so I'd be more than happy to sell it to you if you need a dedicated phono pre to get you started. Yes, it works well with the Grado Black :smile: Send me a PM if interested.

    I had several Pioneer 'tables here over the last year (2 PL-7's & a PL-500) and they all played very well with the Grado Black. Thankfully, I did not experience the Grado "hum" on any 'table with which I paired it.

    I actually have the Black on my Technics SL-Q3 right now. I am torn between the Shure M95ED & the Grado Black on this 'table. They both sound great.
  • skrolskrol Posts: 2,618
    nbrowser wrote: »
    I find it amazing how a little box like the Zphono can improve sound. It's a go to for affordable phono preamp duties.

    I experienced the same with my PPH-100.
    Stan

    Main 2ch:
    Polk LSi15 (DB840 upgrade), Parasound: P/LD-1100, HCA-1000A; Denon: DVD-2910, DRM-800A; Monster HTS3600-MKII, Grado SR-225i

    HT:
    Denon AVR-888, Polk: RTA11TL (RDO198-1, XO and Damping Upgrades), S4, CS250, PSW10, Marantz UD5005, Panasonic TC-P42S60

    Other stuff:
    Denon: DRA-835R, DCD-660, DRM-700A, DRR-780; Polk: S8, Monitor 5A, TSi100; Pioneer: CT-6R, PL-530; Onkyo CP-1046F; Ortofon OM5E, Marantz: PM5004, CD5004, Polk: RM7, Parasound C/PT-600, HCA-800ii
  • mhardy6647mhardy6647 Posts: 17,621
    The really nice thing about the DJ PreII is that it offers a lot of adjustability for a
    bargain price. I've never heard one, but I am half-tempted to acquire one just to play with.

    Believe it or not, I really do try to offer (really stong) opinions on stuff I've actually experienced ears-on. :p

    You know -- I might just start a phono preamp thread... I feel like pontificating about a couple of other things, and it's really not fair to the OP to do it here! :/
    "It's like watching a roomful of people who couldn't get through college algebra discussing the flaws of quantum physics theory. I guess it could be fun, but it's ultimately a waste of time." -- seen on audiokarma

    "Some amps run on self bias, some amps run on fixed bias. But his amps run on confirmation bias." -- seen on audioasylum

    "Writing about hifi is like dancing about architecture" -- paraphrasing some wag (possibly Frank Zappa)
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