NuForce WDC200 Wireless DAC

zingozingo AudiophilePosts: 11,649
The price has dropped significantly on the NuForce WDC200 Wireless DAC recently since it was discontinued ($800 -> $200) , so I thought I'd give it a try as possibly something to replace my Squeezebox Touch. Not only does the WDC200 add wireless connectivity to phones and wifi audio from a PC or server that supports 24/96 playback, but it also has an optical input allowing it to switch and process a separate digital source.

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The few reviews on-line say the unit sounds as good as advertised, so I hope that's the case!

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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,509
    Do you think there's any performance left on the table, or other forms of audible degradation due to the fact that it's wireless?

    For some reason I can't help but thinking that when going wireless, you're making some sort of sacrifice in terms of the audio performance. Even if this is completely illogical, I still feel like this for some reason.

    Maybe it's just a symptom of the negative reputation that BT has.

    Also, I suppose it has a lot to do with the way you listen, but for me I would rather spend more on a traditional DAC versus one with the "feature" of being wireless.

    Anyway, just some random thoughts. Looking forward to your review of it!
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  • DSkipDSkip Posts: 14,766
    edited September 13
    A few years ago at LSAF I ran the iFi Stereo 50 via bluetooth from Tidal on my phone and got very positive feedback. APTx is a requirement to get anywhere with bluetooth IMO.
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  • zingozingo Audiophile Posts: 11,649
    I think that’s one thing that interests me is that it’s not traditional bluetooth, it’s a wifi connection which can be high bandwidth; and I do have a high quality router.

    I hope it’s worth a try!
  • heiney9heiney9 Posts: 23,828
    I've been running a wireless Squeezebox for about 10 years, no issues with degraded sound. It's not Bluetooth. I do use an upgraded linear power supply for the SQB Touch and that made a marked improvement. But I've never had any "quality" issues running wireless.

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  • ClipdatClipdat Posts: 4,509
    heiney9 wrote: »
    I've been running a wireless Squeezebox for about 10 years, no issues with degraded sound. It's not Bluetooth. I do use an upgraded linear power supply for the SQB Touch and that made a marked improvement. But I've never had any "quality" issues running wireless.

    H9

    Thanks Brock for sharing your experience. Like I said, it's just a weird irrational fear/feeling that I have.
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  • zingozingo Audiophile Posts: 11,649
    I second the Squeezebox experience and hope to have audio quality as good with this wireless DAC. Plus, it will have the added benefit of the control being on your device, not on the Squeezebox.
  • mdaudioguymdaudioguy Posts: 4,545
    zingo wrote: »
    I second the Squeezebox experience and hope to have audio quality as good with this wireless DAC. Plus, it will have the added benefit of the control being on your device, not on the Squeezebox.

    I hope you have a great experience with your new device, but I've never controlled my Squeezebox Touch by touch. Always from my phone or tablet.
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  • mdaudioguymdaudioguy Posts: 4,545
    Clipdat wrote: »
    heiney9 wrote: »
    I've been running a wireless Squeezebox for about 10 years, no issues with degraded sound. It's not Bluetooth. I do use an upgraded linear power supply for the SQB Touch and that made a marked improvement. But I've never had any "quality" issues running wireless.

    H9

    Thanks Brock for sharing your experience. Like I said, it's just a weird irrational fear/feeling that I have.

    Streaming via WiFi and Bluetooth are very different. I only stream via BT out of convenience to my headphones while running or in my car.
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  • zingozingo Audiophile Posts: 11,649
    edited September 13
    mdaudioguy wrote: »
    I hope you have a great experience with your new device, but I've never controlled my Squeezebox Touch by touch. Always from my phone or tablet.

    I used to control mine with my iPhone 6, but it says the app isn’t supported anymore, so I gave up.

  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 4,473
    zingo wrote: »
    mdaudioguy wrote: »
    I hope you have a great experience with your new device, but I've never controlled my Squeezebox Touch by touch. Always from my phone or tablet.

    I used to control mine with my iPhone 6, but it says the app isn’t supported anymore, so I gave up.

    U just have to pay for iPeng or another app like that. Like 5 bucks...
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  • zingozingo Audiophile Posts: 11,649
    edited September 14
    Hmmm... I never would have associated that app with the Squeezebox, but thanks!
  • rooftop59rooftop59 Posts: 4,473
    zingo wrote: »
    Hmmm... I never would have associated that app with the Squeezebox, but thanks!

    Well now it’s 9 bucks, but sill well worth it imho...
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  • codycatalistcodycatalist Posts: 1,536
    This is interesting as I have been trying to think of ways to stream outside of my 3.5mm to rca connection. I might have to drop a couple hundy on this device and see how it goes.

    I do wish it didn't have it's own volume control as I do like my preamp but i'll figure it out.
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  • DaveHoDaveHo Posts: 1,927
    A chromecast audio connect to a god DAC will accomplish the same thing.
  • codycatalistcodycatalist Posts: 1,536
    DaveHo wrote: »
    A chromecast audio connect to a god DAC will accomplish the same thing.

    I have heard good things about Chromecast Audio. I remember almost picking one up a year or so ago but passed for the time being. I may go that route after all although this piece is still interesting.
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  • zingozingo Audiophile Posts: 11,649
    edited September 14
    I also didn’t need the digital preamp function, but set to full volume it should have zero effect on the sound quality. Althought I will be interested to test it without my preamp.
  • mdaudioguymdaudioguy Posts: 4,545
    Hmmm, I just realized that NuForce is a line of Optoma products. I'm much more familiar with their projector line. Interesting! https://www.optoma.com/us/product-category/home-audio/
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  • zingozingo Audiophile Posts: 11,649
    Yes they were purchased a while back, but I still have a pre Optoma pair of bluetooth headphones that are my favorite. They were always an innovative and unique company if their products, so I’m glad a lot of that was kept with the purchase. Their pre-Optoma class-D amps still fetch good money used.
  • zingozingo Audiophile Posts: 11,649
    I'm playing around with the DAC this morning. Accessing it with any digital device or computer is through wifi as it creates its own hotspot that's at least 100ft; not only better SQ than bluetooth, but much wider range, and just as easy to use.

    An interesting note that the digital volume control only works with the SPDIF input, not the wifi audio, which works fine for me as I was planning on not using it beyond SQ testing.
  • zingozingo Audiophile Posts: 11,649
    It’s a nice looking unit with an aluminum case and the tube is for scale for size.

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