Hey - Hold my beer, Watch this!

Our friend SCompracer already modded the bajezus out of the Music Hall 25.3 and it is recorded here somewhere ( http://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/127985/music-hall-25-3-dac-mods-belleson-super-regulator ) what he did. I purchased this with one of the Burson op amps burned out due to a mispin by the next owner. I returned it to good condition and have been using it for a couple of years.

It's no fun just leaving things as is... Time to upgrade it further!
All I did was replace the output coupling caps. I used Clarity Cap CMR 3.3uf 400v caps (smaller voltages are not available in this cap). They are just a tad bigger than the M Caps that were in it (by a factor of 4x or 5x!).
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I use this DAC to feed my Bottlehead Mainline headphone amp with Sennheiser HD800s headphones so I don't feel to bad about putting a bit more into this DAC.

Before we begin - where we started and what we're putting in.
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Board removed from the chassis and the original caps pulled.
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New caps installed. I use double sided tape to keep them from banging against each other and to stabilize them.
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Heat shield around the tube.
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Hey! Give me my beer back. The darn thing still works!!!
Aaron
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  • EndersShadowEndersShadow Posts: 14,941
    Slacker. I still see WAAYYY to much empty space in that case. You need to mod it more!

    Maybe an interior linear powersupply....
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  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 8,118
    Good god man they're fargun Uuugh. Just enough room for the heat shield.
    Nice job
  • mrbironmrbiron Posts: 4,477
    Look at those Op Amps!!!

    My father once told me, "if you'd stop playing with it, it would actually grow..."
    Can't just leave things alone can you. B)
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  • heiney9heiney9 Posts: 23,460
    Schweet!
    "Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not".--Nelson Pass

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  • Jimbo18Jimbo18 Posts: 1,578
    In this neck of the woods, the saying is more like "Hold my beer, wa-chiss".
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  • ALL212ALL212 Posts: 642
    edited May 26
    Just when you thought it was safe to go outside. :*

    I forgot I still had the non-burned out Burson. I saw a picture with the Burson installed in the little headphone board...hmmm....

    The original Burson is a gen prior to the ones I purchased. I don't think that's a big deal but I could not use the old Burson in the headphone amp as it had an extra socket soldered to it. That extra socket was there to lift it above the caps over on the main board. However, the new Burson wasn't soldered to an extra socket.

    I used the new Burson in the headphone amp and the older one in the main board.

    Next - I see two tiny electrolytic caps on that headphone board...there must be a way to make those film caps. B)

    Original Burson on the main board.
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    Newer Burson on the headphone board.
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    Aaron
  • SCompRacerSCompRacer Posts: 6,595
    edited May 26
    I was surprised it still worked after that poor fellow plugged the Burson in backwards. One of them Belleson Superpower regs musta been sweating at full output. Good thing I did the sink upgrade..... That Burson had a Viking funeral.

    Nice work! You think the headphone PS has got the torque to run that Burson? Them first gen's were mA power hungry. I forget where headphone power originates. Too bad you sold your scope...want to buy another? :smiley:

    I picked up one of these handheld Fluke 123's and fixed the screen issues. Been my goto scope. Much lighter than the old Tektronix.

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  • ALL212ALL212 Posts: 642
    Still got the scope!

    I used the old one on the main board so it can pull from the power you supplied!

    The new one is on the headphone board. So far no smoke at all... :#
    Aaron
  • FaustinFaustin Posts: 686
    Nice! Love to see those "explosive size" caps in the mix. Let us know what you think as they burn in.
  • SCompRacerSCompRacer Posts: 6,595
    edited May 26
    Faustin wrote: »
    Nice! Love to see those "explosive size" caps in the mix. Let us know what you think as they burn in.

    Please, don't mention explosives to Aaron! ;)

    I think you gave me the one of the matched pair that survived?

    They had dink-sinks in there before.

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    Don't touch the silver things! They will rectify you.

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  • ALL212ALL212 Posts: 642
    I've wondered where that last Burson went! :o

    Boom? Bang? Kapow? BOOM!!! :* o:)
    Aaron
  • SCompRacerSCompRacer Posts: 6,595
    edited May 27
    ALL212 wrote: »
    I've wondered where that last Burson went! :o

    Boom? Bang? Kapow? BOOM!!! :* o:)

    You want it back? I haven't used it. My DAC is running on discrete balanced.

    For kicks you could plug it in backwards and power it up. :o >:)

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  • FTGVFTGV Posts: 3,531
    SCompRacer wrote: »
    for kicks you could plug it in backwards and power it up. :o >:)
    Yeah do it with lid off and post video. :) :
  • ALL212ALL212 Posts: 642
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    Aaron
  • SCompRacerSCompRacer Posts: 6,595

    Make yourself necessary to someone. Ralph Waldo Emerson

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  • ALL212ALL212 Posts: 642
    Those last two M-caps were bothering me...

    The mission:
    1) replace the last 2 M-caps with something I wouldn't have to modify the chassis to get in. Chose Sonicap Gen 1 3.3 200v L1 matched caps.
    2) Muck with the headphone output just for fun. Found a pair of BlackGate's, matched. Thought I'd try and tip those with film caps from my stock of left overs. Found a closely matched pair of .15 200v Sonicaps that should fit.
    3) Sound dampen the chassis - more fun.

    Start here:

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    This wasn't much of a challenge - plenty of room to get the Sonicap's in.

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    Phase 2:

    BlackGate's ready to go:
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    Starting point:
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    BlackGates's in:
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    the back side with Sonicaps:
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    tight but not impossible:
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    Damping everywhere!!
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    Just before cover up, added some ferrite core's and twisted most of the leads.
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    Aaron
  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 754
    SCompRacer wrote: »
    That Burson had a Viking funeral.
    :(

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  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 8,118
    Fine Golds are no slouch, how different are Black Gates compared to the Fine Golds?

    I was always leery using Black Gates since they are no longer made and must have some shelf years on them. Another good one is the Elna Silmic 2 caps smooth as silk.
  • SCompRacerSCompRacer Posts: 6,595
    What part of Viking funeral don't you understand? Hate me all you want, I have plenty of good friends.

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  • SCompRacerSCompRacer Posts: 6,595
    edited October 20
    Aaron, I thought you were done with this...lol

    My next project...pre-ordered. Gonna go with the ESS 9028.

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  • ALL212ALL212 Posts: 642
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    Fine Golds are no slouch, how different are Black Gates compared to the Fine Golds?

    I was always leery using Black Gates since they are no longer made and must have some shelf years on them. Another good one is the Elna Silmic 2 caps smooth as silk.

    Fine Golds are very good. The reason for the replacement was the work done on the back side. I needed the leads to go through so I could attach the film caps and then clip off the excess. I found the BG's and went with it.

    Listened last night with the Senn HD800S's. No fatigue at all - was very enjoyable. Will pit it against the Bottlehead Mainline next.
    Aaron
  • Viking64Viking64 Posts: 754
    SCompRacer wrote: »
    What part of Viking funeral don't you understand? Hate me all you want, I have plenty of good friends.
    LOLWUT???? :p
    I think you took my meaning the opposite of how it was intended. I'm Viking. I am represented by a pug. A viking funeral would mean that I am dead, perhaps killed. Perhaps the result of someone hating me. The pug pictured is indifferent to the hate. There, that should clear up any misunderstanding. :o
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  • SCompRacerSCompRacer Posts: 6,595
    10-4 I'm a Russian - Swede mix.
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  • ALL212ALL212 Posts: 642
    SCompRacer wrote: »
    Aaron, I thought you were done with this...lol

    My next project...pre-ordered. Gonna go with the ESS 9028.

    Hi...my name is ALL212 and I have a problem...

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    Can't leave it alone. I think we're done now. Don't want to end up here.
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    What's your completion date on the ESS update? Gonna need a visit.
    Aaron
  • SCompRacerSCompRacer Posts: 6,595
    edited October 20
    ALL212 wrote: »

    What's your completion date on the ESS update? Gonna need a visit.

    The 9028 can be a drop in swap provided I can power it with what I have. Nov 12th is proposed ship date. That is it will work with the current line of Twisted Pear's I/V boards. The 9028/9038 DAC boards require 750mA at 5.25v.

    Not sure when I'll get to it, they haven't found any qualified folks to fill the empty position here. I am working myself into advanced decrepitude.

    The 9038 has quadruple the output current and needs the Mercury I/V output board that hasn't been released yet. I can use that same I/V board with the 9028, and I'll get one when it is released. Until then it's The Legato with discrete balanced out.

    A little info about the new chip/implementation.

    http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/twisted-pear/313476-introducing-buffalo-iii-se-pro-9028-9038-a.html
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  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 8,118
    ALL212 wrote: »
    pitdogg2 wrote: »
    Fine Golds are no slouch, how different are Black Gates compared to the Fine Golds?

    I was always leery using Black Gates since they are no longer made and must have some shelf years on them. Another good one is the Elna Silmic 2 caps smooth as silk.

    Fine Golds are very good. The reason for the replacement was the work done on the back side. I needed the leads to go through so I could attach the film caps and then clip off the excess. I found the BG's and went with it.

    Listened last night with the Senn HD800S's. No fatigue at all - was very enjoyable. Will pit it against the Bottlehead Mainline next.

    Oh so you are bypassing with film caps? OK I was wondering why you left the BG so far off the board.

  • ALL212ALL212 Posts: 642
    Yep - the "so far off the board" is an inadvertent side effect of trying to solder the film caps on at the same time as soldering the BG's to the board. I lose track of where everything is! They should have been tighter to the board but it works.
    Aaron
  • pitdogg2pitdogg2 Posts: 8,118
    Gots to have room to work very understandable :)
  • SCompRacerSCompRacer Posts: 6,595
    edited October 20
    Almost upgraded to SoundScape 10's but something came up.

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  • FestYboyFestYboy Posts: 913
    That there is an odd looking mid... But it's pretty!!
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