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The problem is stupid, gullible people who fall for nonsense ideologies, whether political or religious. Most start being force fed this nonsense from birth, while some are suckered in as adults. Until people learn how to think for themselves, this stupidity will continue. Unfortunately, it appears some people are genetically predisposed to stupidity, and fixing that borders on Orwellian.
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That's a good point, Bud. You can't fix stupid.Political Correctness'.........defined
"A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."
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That's a good point, Bud. You can't fix stupid.
But we can better secure our own land, by not letting stupid people in our country
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For one, if you ended up on a watch list and you're not a citizen, there's probably a reason...out you go2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures
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America is full of natural born stupid people. Just ask FOX news, and CNN.2 channel: Anthem 225 Integrated amp; Parasound Ztuner; TechnicsTT SL1350; Vincent PHO-8 phono pre; Marantz CD6005 spinner; Polk SDA2BTL's; LAT International speaker cables, ZU Mission IC's and power cables all into a PS Audio Dectet Power center.
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It is imperative that we recognize that an opinion is not a fact.
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That's a good point, Bud. You can't fix stupid.
True..but to believe the enemy is stupid is not smart in of itself is it?? -
Never underestimate what you may think are stupid people, that can be very dangerous.2 channel: Anthem 225 Integrated amp; Parasound Ztuner; TechnicsTT SL1350; Vincent PHO-8 phono pre; Marantz CD6005 spinner; Polk SDA2BTL's; LAT International speaker cables, ZU Mission IC's and power cables all into a PS Audio Dectet Power center.
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The best way to predict the future is to invent it.
It is imperative that we recognize that an opinion is not a fact.
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Trying to defeat an ideology short of total and dedicated war is a useless proposition...therein lies the problem...
The problem is that you can't defeat a religious-based ideology by total war. It's been tried many times before throughout history and has never been successful yet. To even think so is unrealistic.
We can't defeat radical Islamist extremism by war alone any more than the Romans could defeat the ideology of Christianity by crucifying all of them. The more you kill, the more you create. -
Stupid people can do some smart things. The 9/11 plot was well thought out and executed. That doesn't change the fact they were idiots for believing nonsense.Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
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Gatecrasher wrote: »Trying to defeat an ideology short of total and dedicated war is a useless proposition...therein lies the problem...
The problem is that you can't defeat a religious-based ideology by total war. It's been tried many times before throughout history and has never been successful yet. To even think so is unrealistic.
We can't defeat radical Islamist extremism by war alone any more than the Romans could defeat the ideology of Christianity by crucifying all of them. The more you kill, the more you create.
Wrong..case in point,the Japanese in WWII..emperor worship,their whole military structure was based on that and it took the dedicated output of this nation to vanquish them.....Now they are allies..both militarily and economic... -
Gatecrasher wrote: »Trying to defeat an ideology short of total and dedicated war is a useless proposition...therein lies the problem...
The problem is that you can't defeat a religious-based ideology by total war. It's been tried many times before throughout history and has never been successful yet. To even think so is unrealistic.
We can't defeat radical Islamist extremism by war alone any more than the Romans could defeat the ideology of Christianity by crucifying all of them. The more you kill, the more you create.
Wrong..case in point,the Japanese in WWII..emperor worship,their whole military structure was based on that and it took the dedicated output of this nation to vanquish them.....Now they are allies..both militarily and economic...
Yeah but, the Japanese were a civilized people. You were close but not quite. Nice try.
The Islamists meet all the criteria that defines what a civilization is....we may abhor their practices,but they are in any case a civilization nonetheless.... -
Gatecrasher wrote: »Trying to defeat an ideology short of total and dedicated war is a useless proposition...therein lies the problem...
The problem is that you can't defeat a religious-based ideology by total war. It's been tried many times before throughout history and has never been successful yet. To even think so is unrealistic.
We can't defeat radical Islamist extremism by war alone any more than the Romans could defeat the ideology of Christianity by crucifying all of them. The more you kill, the more you create.
Wrong..case in point,the Japanese in WWII..emperor worship,their whole military structure was based on that and it took the dedicated output of this nation to vanquish them.....Now they are allies..both militarily and economic...
Yeah but, the Japanese were a civilized people. You were close but not quite. Nice try.
The Islamists meet all the criteria that defines what a civilization is....we may abhor their practices,but they are in any case a civilization nonetheless....
Civilization and civilized not at all the same as defined
civilize
verb
past tense: civilized; past participle: civilized
bring (a place or people) to a stage of social, cultural, and moral development considered to be more advanced.
"a civilized society"
synonyms:enlighten, edify, improve, educate, instruct, refine, cultivate, polish, socialize, humanize
civilization
the stage of human social development and organization that is considered most advanced.
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txcoastal1 wrote: »Gatecrasher wrote: »Trying to defeat an ideology short of total and dedicated war is a useless proposition...therein lies the problem...
The problem is that you can't defeat a religious-based ideology by total war. It's been tried many times before throughout history and has never been successful yet. To even think so is unrealistic.
We can't defeat radical Islamist extremism by war alone any more than the Romans could defeat the ideology of Christianity by crucifying all of them. The more you kill, the more you create.
Wrong..case in point,the Japanese in WWII..emperor worship,their whole military structure was based on that and it took the dedicated output of this nation to vanquish them.....Now they are allies..both militarily and economic...
Yeah but, the Japanese were a civilized people. You were close but not quite. Nice try.
The Islamists meet all the criteria that defines what a civilization is....we may abhor their practices,but they are in any case a civilization nonetheless....
Civilization and civilized not at all the same as defined
civilize
verb
past tense: civilized; past participle: civilized
bring (a place or people) to a stage of social, cultural, and moral development considered to be more advanced.
"a civilized society"
synonyms:enlighten, edify, improve, educate, instruct, refine, cultivate, polish, socialize, humanize
civilization
the stage of human social development and organization that is considered most advanced.
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It depends on how you define a "civilized manner"
The majority of the world would consider the radicals uncivilized.
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No...I do not relish the thought of a group of Neanderthals running loose in my house...LOL!..But you are right...but the trouble with this whole thing is that THEY do not believe they are in the wrong..no matter how the rest of the world perceives them....
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There is really only 3 economies over there that fund these radicals
oil---which we help fund through greed
drugs---fueled by mainly by the US
successful business and like minded individuals world wide also fuel the fire
Cut off the money...
Collateral damage of the innocent is the travesty
They do not live by law of nationsPost edited by txcoastal1 on2-channel: Modwright KWI-200 Integrated, Dynaudio C1-II Signatures
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Gatecrasher wrote: »Trying to defeat an ideology short of total and dedicated war is a useless proposition...therein lies the problem...
The problem is that you can't defeat a religious-based ideology by total war. It's been tried many times before throughout history and has never been successful yet. To even think so is unrealistic.
We can't defeat radical Islamist extremism by war alone any more than the Romans could defeat the ideology of Christianity by crucifying all of them. The more you kill, the more you create.
Wrong..case in point,the Japanese in WWII..emperor worship,their whole military structure was based on that and it took the dedicated output of this nation to vanquish them.....Now they are allies..both militarily and economic...
Yeah but, the Japanese were a civilized people. You were close but not quite. Nice try.
Well, they were eating American dead and prisoners. I guess that's civilized if you use a napkin. -
Wrong..case in point,the Japanese in WWII..emperor worship,their whole military structure was based on that and it took the dedicated output of this nation to vanquish them.....Now they are allies..both militarily and economic...
Allies? An ally is a party that voluntarily cooperates with you to achieve some common goal that is mutually beneficial.
The Japanese had no choice but to "cooperate" with us militarily. That's like saying a woman who submitted to rape at knife-point "cooperated" with her attacker.
As for being an economic ally:
1. The U.S. steel industry - gone, with Japan being the second largest producer of steel in the world.
2. The U.S. auto industry - would be gone if not for numerous government interventions.
3. The U.S. consumer electronics industry - gone except for small niche areas.
4. The top tire manufacturer in the world? Bridgestone - made in Japan.
...and on, and on, and on.
Steel, rubber, electronics, motor vehicles. The Japanese have assumed global leadership positions in the basic components of war materials. No country can be a sustainable global superpower without a thriving manufacturing base in these areas.Proud and loyal citizen of the Digital Domain and Solid State Country! -
Gatecrasher wrote: »Trying to defeat an ideology short of total and dedicated war is a useless proposition...therein lies the problem...
The problem is that you can't defeat a religious-based ideology by total war. It's been tried many times before throughout history and has never been successful yet. To even think so is unrealistic.
We can't defeat radical Islamist extremism by war alone any more than the Romans could defeat the ideology of Christianity by crucifying all of them. The more you kill, the more you create.
Wrong..case in point,the Japanese in WWII..emperor worship,their whole military structure was based on that and it took the dedicated output of this nation to vanquish them.....Now they are allies..both militarily and economic...
In comparing the Japanese Empire to the current Jihadists, there are some stark differences. While the Japanese people did worship their Emperor as a god and were willing to kill themselves rather than face defeat, the Emperor himself was not the driving force behind Japan's war with America. It was the military industrial complex of Japan. Tojo and the generals were the ones who convinced the Emperor and ultimately pulled the strings. The Emperor was merely a figurehead.
When Japan surrendered in 1945, so did the Emperor. We knew he was not the threat which is why we let him live.
This is where the big difference lies and something I think you misunderstand about the current conflict with the Islamists. They are not driven by a military industrial complex or any type of government. They don't want then things the Japanese wanted and their "leaders" are not generals or politicians using an Emperor as inspiration to their people to achieve their goals. The Islamists are for real religious extremists. You can't reason with them. You can't beat them into submission (at least not totally). Even if we were to totally-annihilate them militarily and then occupy their land for centuries, they would still never give-up.
Their ideology cannot be defeated by military means alone. It's going to take more than that. The people who think we can defeat them militarily are over-simplifying the situation.
That's why we need to elect the smartest people we can find to lead our nation. There are no quick and easy answers to this problem. Anyone who thinks there are is gravely mistaken. -
afterburnt wrote: »Gatecrasher wrote: »Trying to defeat an ideology short of total and dedicated war is a useless proposition...therein lies the problem...
The problem is that you can't defeat a religious-based ideology by total war. It's been tried many times before throughout history and has never been successful yet. To even think so is unrealistic.
We can't defeat radical Islamist extremism by war alone any more than the Romans could defeat the ideology of Christianity by crucifying all of them. The more you kill, the more you create.
Wrong..case in point,the Japanese in WWII..emperor worship,their whole military structure was based on that and it took the dedicated output of this nation to vanquish them.....Now they are allies..both militarily and economic...
Yeah but, the Japanese were a civilized people. You were close but not quite. Nice try.
Well, they were eating American dead and prisoners. I guess that's civilized if you use a napkin.
uh no joke here
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The problem with terrorism is most people refuse to understand it. Doesn't matter the reason; religious, political, race, sex, or any other thing somebody can dream up.
It simply cannot be tolerated.
This is the key concept.
People, be they politicians, religious leaders, talk show hosts, or family members. There is no excuse for this type of behavior.
You can make all the excuses you wish: if they had more socio-economic opportunities; if others understood; etc...
Sorry, but none of your arguments, rationionalizations, or come to Jesus moments can convince me to understand the rational for anybody to take the life of an innocent person. In all truthfulness, people who try to make these arguments, tend to really...upset me... To put it diplomatically.
Perhaps, if people would quit trying to understand what perpetuates the terrorists, and start deciding to punish them in the name of the victims, we could at least see it as a rare event.
Events from the Crusades, WWII, or September 11 have absolutely nothing to do with this event. The only thing that had anything to do with it is the person who murdered these people, and those who convinced him it would be a good idea to carry out this plan.
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Do you believe in evil in a young girl's heart
How the music can free her whenever it starts?
And it's evil if the music is groovy
It makes you feel happy like an old-time movie
I'll tell you about the evil, and it'll free your soul
But it's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout-a rock and roll
If you believe in evil, don't bother to choose
If it's jug band music or rhythm and blues
Just go and listen, and it'll start with a smile
That won't wipe off your face no matter how hard you try
Your feet start tapping, and you can't seem to find
How you got there so just blow your mind
If you believe in evil, come along with me
We'll dance until morning till there's just you and me
And maybe, if the music is right
I'll meet you tomorrow, sort of late at night
And we'll go dancing, baby, then you'll see
How the evil's in the music and the music's in me
Yeah
Do you believe in evil?
Yeah
Believe in the evil of the young girl's soul
Believe in the evil of-a rock and roll
Believe in the evil that can set you free
Ohh, talking 'bout the evil
(Do you believe like I believe?) Do you believe in evil?
(Do you believe like I believe?) Do you believe, believer?
(Do you believe like I believe?) Do you believe in evil?
(Do you believe like I believe?) Do you believe in evil?
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and the posts always just get longer and longer and refer back to the post made 4 pages ago, and no one ever changes minds, just like everyday life.
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DonnerUndBlitzen wrote: »
Perhaps, if people would quit trying to understand what perpetuates the terrorists, and start deciding to punish them in the name of the victims, we could at least see it as a rare event.
Events from the Crusades, WWII, or September 11 have absolutely nothing to do with this event. The only thing that had anything to do with it is the person who murdered these people, and those who convinced him it would be a good idea to carry out this plan.
I'll stop now, don't want to upset the moderators.
What you wrote is absurd. The people that did the 911 terrorist attack were Islamic terrorists, and so too were the murderers in England this week. They are part of a religious Fascist movement that wants to force everyone to submit to their religion OR ELSE. Instead of going to church and learning to "Love your enemies, do good to those who persecute you" they are taught to hate the infidel and murder them. They are told to destroy the crusaders. And their preachers preach this stuff from their Koran and the sayings of Mohamed. We are being terrorized by people that believe they are doing Allah's will as they blow themselves up and murder women and children.
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You don't go to war with an ideology, no matter what it is. You go to war with the extremist factions. There are over 1 billion Muslims on the planet, you going to go to war with all of them ? They are all not terrorists, right ?
Killing more of an ideology does not create more. Case in point....Christians. They are being killed left and right today, I don't see millions of people signing up because of it. Like I said, you can't kill the ideology, but you can kill those who take it to the extreme.
The problem I see, is a failure to address the cause and attack it. Many don't like the obvious conclusions in solving terrorism because it interferes with their social justice ideals or other such nonsense. Giving them an olive branch, a hug, and a job will not deter them from their mission, it in fact helps them.
Instead they let them plant the seeds of radicalism. As we all know, seeds grow and then spread more seeds. Would you throw the seeds of Dandelions on your lawn and then try and eradicate them after they've taken over ? Common sense folks, use it.
Even here, we are planting those seeds in our youths minds. Colleges seem to be a breeding ground of discontent, radicalism, activism , where violence is acceptable if it furthers your cause. Yet we let these seeds get thrown around like Johnny Appleseed. There are times to be passive, and times to be more aggressive, these are not the times to be passive.HT SYSTEM-
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I like this quote;
"Every single day the world seems like it is on the brink of falling apart. But then I look outside my window, and things look about the same as they did a week ago. It's almost a form of cognitive dissonance."
Moby
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