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afterburnt
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"The PHONO jack of the unit is compatible with an MM cartridge. To connect a turntable with a low output MC cartridge use a boosting transformer"

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  • jeremymarcinko
    jeremymarcinko Posts: 3,785
    edited July 2015
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    It means if you put on a moving coil cartridge then you will need a compatible phono stage.
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  • afterburnt
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    jeremymarcinko wrote: »
    It means if you put on a moving coil cartridge then you will need a compatible phono stage.

    Jeremy, do you speak "idiot" because I don't understand that either?
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  • aprazer402
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    What Jeremy said ^^^^^. A good explanation here: http://www.needledoctor.com/FAQs/Phono-Preamp-FAQs
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
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    This TT has a "MM type cartridge phono equalizer amplifier" so I dont need one I guess. So where do I plug it in, phono or Aux?
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  • SCompRacer
    SCompRacer Posts: 8,352
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    afterburnt wrote: »
    "The PHONO jack of the unit is compatible with an MM cartridge. To connect a turntable with a low output MC cartridge use a boosting transformer"

    Also known as SUT or Step Up Transformer. It boosts the small output signal of an MC cartridge so you don't have to buy a higher gain phono pre amp. SUT's go between the turntable and phono pre amp.

    SUT's can be of mild to wild pricing. You can also buy the parts and DIY. They can have fixed gain or have two gain stages to choose from.

    For example, my DIY SUT has two gain stages, 26 dB or 32 dB gain. The signal goes through small transformer windings (passive, not powered). Adding 26db or 32dB to a 40dB MM phono stage gives you 66dB or 72dB. Plenty of gain for a LOMC (Low Output MC Cartridge, like .3mV).

    A popular brand of SUT trannies.

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    You find/build them with trannies inside or outside.


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  • pumpkinman
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    Are you using a high or low output cartridge ?? If is it's a low output cart I could send you an a Ortofon Step up to try. Plus Dskip is correct plug it into the Aux.

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  • aprazer402
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    Just curious afterburnt, what turntable do you have that has it's own built-in phono amp? A newer Audio-Technica that also has USB connectivity?
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  • afterburnt
    afterburnt Posts: 7,892
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    This one: http://www.teac.com/product/tn-300/
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  • hochpt21
    hochpt21 Posts: 5,423
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    I'm assuming the supplied cartridge is MM and compatible with its own internal preamp so connect it to the aux.
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  • afterburnt
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    pumpkinman wrote: »
    Are you using a high or low output cartridge ?? If is it's a low output cart I could send you an a Ortofon Step up to try. Plus Dskip is correct plug it into the Aux.

    P-man

    Bill I have no idea I cant find the specs on it. audio-technica MM（VM）type phonograph cartridge AT95E

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  • aprazer402
    aprazer402 Posts: 3,097
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    Page ten of the user's manual for the TEAC TT you have states you can use either the internal pre-amp on the TT to the Aux. input of the pre-amp, receiver... OR you can switch off the TT pre-amp and use the phono stage of the amp., or receiver. If your amp has a phono input you can switch back and forth and see which one sound the best. This is assuming a MM cartridge and only a MM phono stage in amp. I did not read the TT manual enough to see if the TT's internal phono amp is capable of the step-up required for a LOMC.
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  • afterburnt
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    "LOMC"? ugh
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  • aprazer402
    aprazer402 Posts: 3,097
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    LOMC "Low Output Moving Coil" type of cartridge that requires a step-up transformer or a MC capable phono stage built-in to your receiver, pre-amp or integrated amp. Re-read S Compracer and P-Man's posts above.
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  • afterburnt
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    You can have the whole gatdamn freakin' junk, man! You can kiss my bum in the county square cause I'm freakin' buggin' out! I didn't come here for this! I don't freakin' need it, I don't want it! I didn't get out of the gatdamn Eighth grade for this kinda junk! All I wanted to do was freakin' listen! I just wanted to learn to freakin' listen, man! Bye tiger, bye tiger...
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  • afterburnt
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    uh sorry...
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  • pumpkinman
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    The AT95e is MM. No step up is required just plug it in and go. aprazer402 is correct use the onboard phono pre or the phono pre (if there is one) in your receiver/preamp. Listen to both and decide for your self which you like best.

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  • afterburnt
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    I found the output spec: 3.5 mV (1 kHz, 5 cm/sec). Is that high or low. Sorry about the outburst, I seem to have a touch of apoplexy %^)
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  • voltz
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    :p AB you are what Dean Martin called a "Kick in the Head :) hang in there brother! you got all the friends you need right here ...we will help you send every penny you own :)

    BTW for phono cartridges you have 3 types...MM - MC high -MC low ... now if you have a phono amp which say its for MM only it normally works OK for HIGH MC cartridges like my MC =Moving coil - Blue point #2 or MM = Moving magnet ..that is the setting I use, but Moving Coil - MC comes in two version high and low.

    now some say LOW MC are the best but need a better phono amp to handle them...
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  • pumpkinman
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    3.5 mV is high output
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  • afterburnt
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    Bill maybe i should just come over and listen to your records
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  • afterburnt
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    voltz wrote: »
    :p AB you are what Dean Martin called a "Kick in the Head :) hang in there brother! you got all the friends you need right here ...we will help you send every penny you own :)

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  • Nightfall
    Nightfall Posts: 10,071
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    Try it both ways. 1) Use the TT's internal preamp and hook it up to aux and then 2) turn off the TT's internal preamp and hook it up to phono. See which one sounds better to you.
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  • afterburnt
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    Keiko wrote: »
    Get a High Output Moving Coil (HOMC) Cartridge. You can use these on a MM phono stage. You can thank me later. ;)

    Like this?

    http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/cartridges/230bf7df33e9687d/index.html
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  • cnh
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    afterburnt wrote: »
    You can have the whole gatdamn freakin' junk, man! You can kiss my bum in the county square cause I'm freakin' buggin' out! I didn't come here for this! I don't freakin' need it, I don't want it! I didn't get out of the gatdamn Eighth grade for this kinda junk! All I wanted to do was freakin' listen! I just wanted to learn to freakin' listen, man! Bye tiger, bye tiger...

    Seriously? That AT cart is a standard unit that will connect to almost ANY receiver with a phono stage! Why all questions and drama? Hook it up with the ground wire and start spinning. It's not rocket science!
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  • tonyb
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    LOL....chill my good man. TT's can get you all riled up for sure which is why some have moved on from them. Like CNH said, it's not rocket science but there are some things you need to know.

    Just my .02, but measure the distance between the TT and the ground out the nearest window and make sure the cables are a bit shorter. ;)
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  • afterburnt
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    cnh wrote: »
    afterburnt wrote: »
    You can have the whole gatdamn freakin' junk, man! You can kiss my bum in the county square cause I'm freakin' buggin' out! I didn't come here for this! I don't freakin' need it, I don't want it! I didn't get out of the gatdamn Eighth grade for this kinda junk! All I wanted to do was freakin' listen! I just wanted to learn to freakin' listen, man! Bye tiger, bye tiger...

    Seriously? That AT cart is a standard unit that will connect to almost ANY receiver with a phono stage! Why all questions and drama? Hook it up with the ground wire and start spinning. It's not rocket science!
    Of course I am not serious. You don't recognize that is basically a line from "Apocalypse Now". I am a bit frustrated but I will get it together.

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  • afterburnt
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    pumpkinman wrote: »
    Are you using a high or low output cartridge ?? If is it's a low output cart I could send you an a Ortofon Step up to try. Plus Dskip is correct plug it into the Aux.

    P-man
    Thanks Bill, thanks for the offer! What exactly will an Ortofon do?
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  • pumpkinman
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    afterburnt wrote: »
    voltz wrote: »
    :p AB you are what Dean Martin called a "Kick in the Head :) hang in there brother! you got all the friends you need right here ...we will help you send every penny you own :)

    What a pal, what a pal!


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  • pumpkinman
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    afterburnt wrote: »
    pumpkinman wrote: »
    Are you using a high or low output cartridge ?? If is it's a low output cart I could send you an a Ortofon Step up to try. Plus Dskip is correct plug it into the Aux.

    P-man
    Thanks Bill, thanks for the offer! What exactly will an Ortofon do?

    Nothing with the cartridge you now have now. You're pretty much ready to play vinyl.
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  • PolkieMan
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    Hey that's a nice turntable, so your no dummy!
    In the 70's almost every decent receiver had a Phono input so you would plug the turntable into that. In the 90's turntables went away so there was no need for a Phono input. Here comes 2015 and people buy turntables once more. Well Teac knew that so they boosted the output with a "built in" Phono input so you could just plug in to a regular AUX or Audio input.
    But if you do still have a Phono input you can turn off the "built in " booster in the Teac and use yours.
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