Record Cleaning Machines - DIY or Purchase - Who uses one?

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  • schwarcw
    schwarcw Posts: 7,328
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    The VPI, Nitty Gritty and Spin Clean will all clean your records. Some involve more hand work and time. The machine is just part of the process. Chemicals, rinse, cleaning brush, anti static sleeve, drying cloths, micro fibre brushes, etc. are all part of the system. Vinyl is a real pain LOL! But, I'm hooked!

    Ultrasonic cleaning is coming in a big way. DIY and consumer ready units are going become more affordable. The market is ripe and ultrasound is a step up in cleaning quality.
    Carl

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  • doctor r
    doctor r Posts: 837
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    I did buy a VPI 16.5 used many years ago. I go a little over board and use the Audio Intelligence three step (enzyme, cleaner, pure water) with three different brushes and three different wands. This is only when I first acquire the albums. Afterward a swipe with the anti static brush is all they need. The enzyme step, once I started using it, made the most difference with background noise and pops. Many albums I had previously cleaned were redone with enzyme and greatly improved. The torque of the RCM vs a converted TT is really the only benefit comparing the two. I agree with schwarcw that ultrasonic is going to be the direction of the future.
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  • [Deleted User]
    [Deleted User] Posts: 10,716
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    ...so in the mean time I recommend going digital and sell your LPs to a fellow Polk member. :D
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  • MrBuhl
    MrBuhl Posts: 2,419
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    rednedtugent wrote: »
    ...so in the mean time I recommend going digital and sell your LPs to a fellow Polk member. :D

    Ha!
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  • Obsession18
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    Get a KAB EV-1 and a $30 shop vac from sears and you will be good to go:

    https://www.kabusa.com/ev1.htm

    Total package cost $200 and it is as effective as any vac cleaning machine on the market.
    2-Channel System
    Analog: VPI Traveler TT, Audio Technica 150MLX, Pro-Ject Tube Box DS
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  • madmax
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    The VPI 16.5 rocks.
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • voltz
    voltz Posts: 5,384
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    Obsession18 wrote: »
    Get a KAB EV-1 and a $30 shop vac from sears and you will be good to go:

    https://www.kabusa.com/ev1.htm

    Total package cost $200 and it is as effective as any vac cleaning machine on the market.

    So with this combo you scrub on the top? and then turn it over to vacuum it?

    with the VPI 16.5 you scrub and vacuum from the same side and it turns the record for you with enough power to deep scrub as you hand controls the brush pressure since its in your hand. easy as pie. piece of cake
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  • vmaxer
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    You may want to look at this thread....


    http://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/163898/i-stopped-in-at-transparent-music-today#latest
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  • Obsession18
    Obsession18 Posts: 191
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    voltz wrote: »
    Obsession18 wrote: »
    Get a KAB EV-1 and a $30 shop vac from sears and you will be good to go:

    https://www.kabusa.com/ev1.htm

    Total package cost $200 and it is as effective as any vac cleaning machine on the market.

    So with this combo you scrub on the top? and then turn it over to vacuum it?

    with the VPI 16.5 you scrub and vacuum from the same side and it turns the record for you with enough power to deep scrub as you hand controls the brush pressure since its in your hand. easy as pie. piece of cake

    Yes, scrub on top, flip to vac. One of the things that sold me on this unit was the external vac, if you have a failure - $30 for another small shop vac and your back in business. Also, not as loud with the vac on the floor, I checked out a VPI 16.5 and man is that thing LOUD.
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  • MrBuhl
    MrBuhl Posts: 2,419
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    vmaxer wrote: »
    You may want to look at this thread....

    http://forum.polkaudio.com/discussion/163898/i-stopped-in-at-transparent-music-today#latest

    That is amazing. No way I could afford one of those new ultrasonic cleaners - but honestly, with that heated tank from Amazon, the machine is pretty simple with a low speed rotary after that. Very tempting indeed. I may have to give that a shot.

    Can always make a DIY vacuum machine for drying purposes as a final step as well.

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    Yamaha YP-D6
    Soundcraftsmen PCR800
    Audible Illusions L1 Preamp
    Vincent MFA based Cocci Tube Preamp
    Pho-700 Phono Pre
    Signal Cable Silver Resolution IC's






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  • doctorcilantro
    doctorcilantro Posts: 2,028
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    I picked up one of the 60kHz Ultrasonics, USA-made, for less than $400.
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  • thsmith
    thsmith Posts: 6,082
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    doctorcilantro wrote: »
    I picked up one of the 60kHz Ultrasonics, USA-made, for less than $400.

    WHere?

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  • EndersShadow
    EndersShadow Posts: 17,534
    edited September 2014
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    thsmith wrote: »
    doctorcilantro wrote: »
    I picked up one of the 60kHz Ultrasonics, USA-made, for less than $400.

    WHere?

    Probably this one 6 Quart 60kHz VIBRATO Ultrasonic Cleaner. 375 + shipping....

    https://www.tindie.com/products/VibratoLLC/6-quart-60khz-vibrato-ultrasonic-cleaner/

    2014-07-03T00:54:25.281Z-VIBRATO%206Q60KFDCH%20working01.JPG.2560x2560_q85.jpg


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  • MrBuhl
    MrBuhl Posts: 2,419
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    anyone have any thoughts about the whole 60hz vs 40hz bubble size and cleaning in the groves debate? Opinions on if it's really a sizable difference (quality of clean-wise)?
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    A/L 1000VA Dreadnought Canare 4s11 SDA cable
    SACD Marantz DV8300
    Sony S9000ES CD/DVD/SACD
    Yamaha YP-D6
    Soundcraftsmen PCR800
    Audible Illusions L1 Preamp
    Vincent MFA based Cocci Tube Preamp
    Pho-700 Phono Pre
    Signal Cable Silver Resolution IC's






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  • vmaxer
    vmaxer Posts: 5,116
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    MrBuhl wrote: »
    anyone have any thoughts about the whole 60hz vs 40hz bubble size and cleaning in the groves debate? Opinions on if it's really a sizable difference (quality of clean-wise)?


    Check this out.

    http://www.zenith-ultrasonics.com/ultrasonic_frequency_selection.htm
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    Sunfire CG Sig 405 X 5
    OPPO BDP-83 SE
    SDA SRS 1.2TL Sonicaps and Mills
    Ctr CS1000p
    Sur - FX1000 x 4
    SUB - SVS PB2-Plus

    Workkout room:
    Sony Bravia XBR- 32-Inch 1080p
    Onkyo TX-DS898
    GFA 555
    Yamaha DVD-S1800BL/SACD
    Ft - SDA 1C

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    RT25i's -2, using other 2 in shop
    LSI 15's
    CSi40
    PSW 404
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  • vcwatkins
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    doctorcilantro wrote: »
    I picked up one of the 60kHz Ultrasonics, USA-made, for less than $400.

    Did you build one of those cool rotisserie motor cleaners?
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  • MrBuhl
    MrBuhl Posts: 2,419
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    [/quote]
    Check this out.
    http://www.zenith-ultrasonics.com/ultrasonic_frequency_selection.htm[/quote]

    Hmm - interesting. Why to I feel like that budget line I'm not going to cross is starting to move again. Seems like you could make a case for 40 or 60 - maybe 60 is the sweet spot but both seem effective in the DIY I have seen.
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    Noggin Schiit Valhalla, Pangea, Phillips Fidelio X1, Polk UF8000

    Polk SDA1c modded
    Polk CRS+ 4.1TL modded (need veneer)
    Polk SDA2BTL (fully modded)
    A/L 1000VA Dreadnought Canare 4s11 SDA cable
    SACD Marantz DV8300
    Sony S9000ES CD/DVD/SACD
    Yamaha YP-D6
    Soundcraftsmen PCR800
    Audible Illusions L1 Preamp
    Vincent MFA based Cocci Tube Preamp
    Pho-700 Phono Pre
    Signal Cable Silver Resolution IC's






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  • kevhed72
    kevhed72 Posts: 4,959
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    Good reading in the morning here folks......anyone own the Oki Noki....I found a discounted demo version and it looks like replacement parts are easy to find. Honestly I am between this and the manual spin clean because I am so cheap.....so sway me either way!!
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  • soundfreak1
    soundfreak1 Posts: 3,387
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    I use a kit I bought (out of canada, nick) 3dcanfab.com. fantastic deal about 115.00. Plus I built the plenty and it does a great job. Make my own cleaning solution (25% 99.999 isopropyl, 75% RODI water and a drop of triton x14 wetting agent).
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  • voltz
    voltz Posts: 5,384
    edited February 2017
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    The pictures I've seen of the Okki noki looks like it works just like my VIP 16.5. and that would make it a good record cleaner in my books!

    you just tighten down the record and add fluid and brush it as it spins then vacuum it off rinse & vac again! makes cleaning with these machine A Simple choir.

    and you don't need a lot of fluid to clean , just a little bit of cleaner then distilled water to rinse is all that is needed.
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  • indyhawg
    indyhawg Posts: 1,637
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    I use a VPI 16.5 also. It has worked great for me. Just follow the instructions given by Voltz in the post above.
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  • MrBuhl
    MrBuhl Posts: 2,419
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    I ended up with a Nitty Gritty MiniPro1, cleans, vacuums and scrubs both sides at the same time for a quicker turnaround. It's a good unit, and Nitty Gritty still does a great factory service for pretty reasonable pricing - I got it used off the 'bay and shipped it to NG to have it gone through, good as new now!
    VA HT HK AVR20II, Sony S9000ES CD/DVD/SACD, Polk Audio RC80i / Polk Audio CSi3, 60" Panasonic Plasma, Nordost / Signal Cable A2 / Wireworld / Pangea / Magic Power
    VA 2 Channel Focal Electra 926 speakers, Pass Labs X150.5 Amp, Eastern Electric MiniMax Preamp (Tutay mods), Eastern Electric Minimax CDP (Scott Nixon mods), Music Hall mmf 5.1 Turntable, Parks Audio Budgie Phono Pre , Audioengine B1 streamer, MIT S3 IC's / MIT Shotgun S3 Speaker Cables / PS Audio power cables
    Noggin Schiit Valhalla, Pangea, Phillips Fidelio X1, Polk UF8000

    Polk SDA1c modded
    Polk CRS+ 4.1TL modded (need veneer)
    Polk SDA2BTL (fully modded)
    A/L 1000VA Dreadnought Canare 4s11 SDA cable
    SACD Marantz DV8300
    Sony S9000ES CD/DVD/SACD
    Yamaha YP-D6
    Soundcraftsmen PCR800
    Audible Illusions L1 Preamp
    Vincent MFA based Cocci Tube Preamp
    Pho-700 Phono Pre
    Signal Cable Silver Resolution IC's






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  • miner
    miner Posts: 1,305
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    My NG MiniPro2 is a time saver - as mentioned by MrBuhl it cleans both sides at once. I typically hand scrub first using MoFi brush and Deep Cleaner, put LP on NG and vacuum, then add one-step cleaner from reservoir on NG (NG Pure solution), vacuum, sleeve the clean LP, sleeve the jacket. Avg. about 2 mins/LP
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