$75k Pioneer prototype speakers

F1nut
F1nut Posts: 50,492
edited July 2014 in 2 Channel Audio
Check out the pics, especially the crossover......impressive!

http://app.audiogon.com/listings/monitors-pioneer-exclusive-prototypes-2014-07-19-speakers-1050
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  • Sci-fi Polk Guy
    Sci-fi Polk Guy Posts: 194
    edited July 2014
    F1nut wrote: »
    Check out the pics, especially the crossover......impressive!

    http://app.audiogon.com/listings/monitors-pioneer-exclusive-prototypes-2014-07-19-speakers-1050

    It must be REALLY nice to be able to drop that kind of coin on a pair of speakers!!
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,761
    edited July 2014
    one could spend considerably more than that on a pair of speakers...
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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited July 2014
    Thats some BS speakers right there.
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  • mhardy6647
    mhardy6647 Posts: 33,761
    edited July 2014
    The titular speakers of this thread would be the upgrade from these.

    http://www.audio-heritage.jp/PIONEER-EXCLUSIVE/speaker/model2401twin.html

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  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited July 2014
    UGH. Nothing worse than seeing something like that in such an awful room.
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  • cnh
    cnh Posts: 13,284
    edited July 2014
    Outer design is vaguely reminiscent of large JBLs? Crossovers are something but, of course, there are different philosophies on crossovers. The one that over-designs them, and the other that seeks to make them less and less relevant or to eliminate them completely in favor of the simplest two way design or, in the latter case, single drivers.

    In any case, I bet they put out some BIG sound!

    Oh, and if speakers should cost even more, I'll take whatever mhardy is drinking? lol

    cnh
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  • disneyjoe7
    disneyjoe7 Posts: 11,435
    edited July 2014
    Hmm... Why am I not impressed?

    Speakers
    Carver Amazing Fronts
    CS400i Center
    RT800i's Rears
    Sub Paradigm Servo 15

    Electronics
    Conrad Johnson PV-5 pre-amp
    Parasound Halo A23
    Pioneer 84TXSi AVR
    Pioneer 79Avi DVD
    Sony CX400 CD changer
    Panasonic 42-PX60U Plasma
    WMC Win7 32bit HD DVR


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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited July 2014
    F1nut wrote: »
    Check out the pics, especially the crossover......impressive!

    http://app.audiogon.com/listings/monitors-pioneer-exclusive-prototypes-2014-07-19-speakers-1050
    You should be building a pair, not just looking at them.
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • Tornado Red
    Tornado Red Posts: 939
    edited July 2014
    Cool! But I thought Pioneer was getting out of home audio? These must be car speakers....:p
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 50,492
    edited July 2014
    madmax wrote: »
    You should be building a pair, not just looking at them.

    Crossovers? Yeah, I'm working on that.
    But I thought Pioneer was getting out of home audio?

    Those speakers are prototypes from years back.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,956
    edited July 2014
    DSkip wrote: »
    All I know is if I had a pair of speakers I thought were worth $75k, I wouldn't have hundreds of pounds of gear AND a coffee mug sitting on it, especially if I'm taking a picture.

    LOL....Yeah man, agreed. Still, I'm not seeing 75k worth of speaker there. Yeah top notch drivers and custom crossovers....ok, but 75k ? If I had 75k to spend I'd buy 2 foreclosed condos and rent them out for some income....while I listen to some vintage Polks.
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    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
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    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

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  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited July 2014
    Looks like about 10-15k in drivers; the cabs could be done by just about anyone with some woodworking skills; crossovers are always tricky to put a price on. The parts are easy to add up, but the R&D of getting it right is the tricky part. But I'm not seeing $60K of it there.

    Or put in perspective, that's Grande Utopia price bracket:
    http://www.grande-utopia-em.com/en/slideshow.php

    Which you can rub your genitals on without getting splinters.
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  • tonyb
    tonyb Posts: 32,956
    edited July 2014
    unc2701 wrote: »
    Which you can rub your genitals on without getting splinters.

    I like splinters....so ?

    It's how you get them out that's the fun part.
    HT SYSTEM-
    Sony 850c 4k
    Pioneer elite vhx 21
    Sony 4k BRP
    SVS SB-2000
    Polk Sig. 20's
    Polk FX500 surrounds

    Cables-
    Acoustic zen Satori speaker cables
    Acoustic zen Matrix 2 IC's
    Wireworld eclipse 7 ic's
    Audio metallurgy ga-o digital cable

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    B&k 1420
    lsi 9's
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  • polkfarmboy
    polkfarmboy Posts: 5,703
    edited July 2014
    unc2701 wrote: »
    Looks like about 10-15k in drivers; the cabs could be done by just about anyone with some woodworking skills; crossovers are always tricky to put a price on. The parts are easy to add up, but the R&D of getting it right is the tricky part. But I'm not seeing $60K of it there.

    Or put in perspective, that's Grande Utopia price bracket:
    http://www.grande-utopia-em.com/en/slideshow.php

    Which you can rub your genitals on without getting splinters.
    With those uptopia speakers you can really hear the cab's as it just gets in the way of the music. Not a speaker for late night listening thats for sure.
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  • PSOVLSK
    PSOVLSK Posts: 5,197
    edited July 2014
    DSkip wrote: »
    You could get two pair of Wilson Alexia's at that price. Just saying.

    Or about 75 pairs of our beloved 6311's.
    Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.-John Wooden
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  • Danny Tse
    Danny Tse Posts: 5,206
    edited July 2014
    cnh wrote: »
    Outer design is vaguely reminiscent of large JBLs?

    And the Japanese love those big horn-loaded JBLs. To the point that JBL, until recent years, made those giant horn-loaded speakers, such as the JBL Everest DD66000, only for the Japanese market.

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    Which, I believe, is the reason why Pioneer's Exclusive line was only for domestic consumption....they are catered to the super-rich audiophiles. Check out these other Pioneer Exclusive components:

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  • ZLTFUL
    ZLTFUL Posts: 5,648
    edited July 2014
    Danny Tse wrote: »
    And the Japanese love those big horn-loaded JBLs. To the point that JBL, until recent years, made those giant horn-loaded speakers, such as the JBL Everest DD66000, only for the Japanese market.

    hfc331_jbl_everest_dd66000-728-75.jpg

    Actually, the Everest IIs can be had in the US market. In fact, my buddy's shop has 4 pairs in stock as I type this with one pair on closeout in Rosewood for $25,000. Their demo pair coupled with a pair of Audio Research Reference 600 monoblocks is something to behold and quite possibly one of my lottery winnings systems. Heh.
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  • madmax
    madmax Posts: 12,434
    edited July 2014
    The bass drivers in the first pic look exactly like the JBL 2226 drivers.
    Vinyl, the final frontier...

    Avantgarde horns, 300b tubes, thats the kinda crap I want... :D
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  • unc2701
    unc2701 Posts: 3,587
    edited July 2014
    madmax wrote: »
    The bass drivers in the first pic look exactly like the JBL 2226 drivers.

    They're TAD 1601's, I believe. Which have nearly identical specs, but cost twice as much.
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  • WLDock
    WLDock Posts: 3,073
    edited July 2014
    ZLTFUL wrote: »
    Their demo pair coupled with a pair of Audio Research Reference 600 monoblocks is something to behold and quite possibly one of my lottery winnings systems. Heh.
    Not sure what it is but I am drawn to these more so than many other exotic speaker myself. I never heard them but....If I ever hit, I think I will have to try a pair of these in the dedicated listening loft! LOL!!!
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  • RamZet
    RamZet Posts: 792
    edited July 2014
    75k? No way, I would pass. Even if they were the best sounding speakers I've ever heard I wouldn't want them trashing up my house. At that asking price you're in some serious territory. I would rather have some high end utopia speakers or some high end B&Ws.
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