lsi15's or 2.3tl's???

nooshinjohn
nooshinjohn Posts: 25,883
edited January 2009 in Vintage Speakers
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Hi guys...
I must now choose between the lsi 15 or sda srs2.3tls. my room is small and also serves as my living room, the steakers will serve as stereo and in a 7.2 surround system. They will be driven by a Yamaha rx-v 863 at 115wpc currently but i plan on upgrading to the rx-z7 soon. any advice... or preferences out there?

john
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,883
    edited January 2009
    both sets will be about the same price and distance from my home for pickup so cost is not a factor in the choice
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    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson

    How many flies need to be buzzing a dead horse before you guys stop beating it?
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited January 2009
    Both sets of speakers you are inquiring about need an amp. I would say hands down SDA's, but then I read small room. Won't work well:( LSi15s are very nice, but like I said you really need an amp. How are you doing 7.2 in a small room? What is small. Room dimensions would help a lot.
    Ben
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,883
    edited January 2009
    18feet by 15 feet is room size and my yamaha will run 220wpc at 4ohm. do you still think a separate amp will be needed?
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2800 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson

    How many flies need to be buzzing a dead horse before you guys stop beating it?
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited January 2009
    Which wall is the front end on?

    Yes, you still may need a external amp with either of those speakers.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,883
    edited January 2009
    the front wall is 18feet the speakers will be on either side of my fireplace
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    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson

    How many flies need to be buzzing a dead horse before you guys stop beating it?
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited January 2009
    can you place the SDA's at least 3 feet from the side walls?
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited January 2009
    Unless you have multiple rows of seating, with a room only 15' deep, I would stick with 5.1/2.
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,883
    edited January 2009
    yes i can place the speakers 3 feet from the side walls. my current setup is monitor50 in the front, cs2 center. front effect are tsi100 and the side and rear effect are tsi200. i would have gone with tsi for the front but to be honest they did not sound right for my ear. i also have an older energy 8" 100 watt sub and a newer klipch 10" 300 watt sub. these are set 10ft apart and out of phase with each other. the energy sub most likely will be removed from the system after the new mains are in place
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2800 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson

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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited January 2009
    A nice long wall like that is very nice for SDA's
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited January 2009
    just get the lsi's,, btw,, let us know where the 2.3's are:)
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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,406
    edited January 2009
    It's like apples and oranges. An HT can certainly be built with SDA's but they seem to be more suited to 2 channel. What other 5.1 speakers are you considering? Timbre matching is very important in an HT. You will need an amp for both to get all you can get out of them.

    H9
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  • ohskigod
    ohskigod Posts: 6,505
    edited January 2009
    if your primary use will be in a theater environment, then I would go with the LSi's
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited January 2009
    george daniel wrote: »
    just get the lsi's,, btw,, let us know where the 2.3's are:)

    I concur, if you opt for the others, it would be nice to disclose the source of the SRS to the club so someone else can get them. My real advice....get both pairs, I've got 5 pairs of Polks from MiniMon to SRS2s, if it's possible to have too many, I haven't gotten there yet.:DGood Luck!!
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,883
    edited January 2009
    lol... i am keeping the location of the sda's a secret for now, as i am leaning towards them personally... i plan on finding an srt center and perhaps a set of crs for rears if i go with them. when my wife finishes school i will be building a home theater/listening room in the basement of whateven new home we build... btw, why does it seem that everybody love sda-srs when they have them but when somebody else is thinkjing about it all anybody wants to know is "where are they?"
    thanks for the help guys

    John
    The Gear... Carver "Statement" Mono-blocks, Mcintosh C2800 Arcam AVR20, Oppo UDP-203 4K Blu-ray player, Sony XBR70x850B 4k, Polk Audio Legend L800 with height modules, L400 Center Channel Polk audio AB800 "in-wall" surrounds. Marantz MM7025 stereo amp. Simaudio Moon 680d DSD

    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson

    How many flies need to be buzzing a dead horse before you guys stop beating it?
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    average_guy Posts: 236
    edited January 2009
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    lol... i am keeping the location of the sda's a secret for now, as i am leaning towards them personally... i plan on finding an srt center and perhaps a set of crs for rears if i go with them. when my wife finishes school i will be building a home theater/listening room in the basement of whateven new home we build... btw, why does it seem that everybody love sda-srs when they have them but when somebody else is thinkjing about it all anybody wants to know is "where are they?"
    thanks for the help guys

    John

    That's an easy pattern to spot...
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  • george daniel
    george daniel Posts: 12,096
    edited January 2009
    just my personal opinion,, I'd go with the newer stuff for HT,, and leave the SDA's to two channel duty. Good luck in your journey.:)
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  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited January 2009
    I'm going to go against the grain and say for HT look into the new RTI A series speakers. I have SDA's, LSI, and RTI's and IMO the rti's sound great but for 2 channel I think the SDA's kick a$$. No to thrilled with lsi's
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,883
    edited January 2009
    hey leroy... i asked about the rti's that you have for sale... even sent apm and no response from you yet...
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    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson

    How many flies need to be buzzing a dead horse before you guys stop beating it?
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  • nooshinjohn
    nooshinjohn Posts: 25,883
    edited January 2009
    btw... why not the lsi's what dont you like about them
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    “When once a Republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.”— Thomas Jefferson

    How many flies need to be buzzing a dead horse before you guys stop beating it?
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  • leroyjr1
    leroyjr1 Posts: 8,785
    edited January 2009
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    hey leroy... i asked about the rti's that you have for sale... even sent apm and no response from you yet...


    I thought you were trying to meet half way which I was not up for.
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  • gdb
    gdb Posts: 6,012
    edited January 2009
    nooshinjohn wrote: »
    lol... i am keeping the location of the sda's a secret for now, as i am leaning towards them personally... i plan on finding an srt center and perhaps a set of crs for rears if i go with them. when my wife finishes school i will be building a home theater/listening room in the basement of whateven new home we build... btw, why does it seem that everybody love sda-srs when they have them but when somebody else is thinkjing about it all anybody wants to know is "where are they?"
    thanks for the help guys

    John
    John,
    I meant IF you decide to pass on the SRS, then tell the others where they can be found. I never have, and never will try to pull the rug out from under someone going for a deal on audio or anything else. I wasn't suggesting that you should reveal their location while you were still considering buying them.
    That would just be silly!!:) If you're planning a future "music room" buy the 2.3s if they're priced right,you'll be glad you did! There are TONS of Polk HT type speakers out there that are available every day, not so with the SRS models.:) Good luck!!
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,683
    edited January 2009
    Timbre matching is very important in an HT.

    Bingo!

    Get a full set of LSi's for your HT. SDA's are for 2 channel.
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  • bsoko2
    bsoko2 Posts: 1,449
    edited January 2009
    F1nut wrote: »
    Bingo!

    Get a full set of LSi's for your HT. SDA's are for 2 channel.

    Don't agree. I have SDA's and have no issues with timbre matching.

    Bill
    My 2012 HT Room - http://www.avsforum.com/t/1416077/bsoko2-new-ht-june-2012
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited January 2009
    I had odd phase issues when using SDA's for home theater.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,683
    edited January 2009
    That's cool Bill. Help the guy out and tell him what works well with the SDA's.
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  • BAD ASP
    BAD ASP Posts: 361
    edited January 2009
    I too have the 1.2's (not tl's) in my HT. Mine have been fully upgraded (crossovers and tweeters) and I am using the lsic for the center and lsifx for the rear surrounds. I don't know about timbre matching these but I love the sound, it is soft and articulate when it needs to be and knocks your eyeballs back appropriately. The wall of sound is spectacular in Transformers for example. U571 is eerie, scary, explosive and full of strange little clicking and metal rattles which are quite clear throughout the room.
    All of the appropriate whizzing and ricocheting sounds seem very accurate. I have tried the 1.2's with the sda cord connected and disconnected, I don't notice a big difference so I just leave it alone. The system was set up with an Avia HT disc which does help a lot in getting the right balance. Whatever satisfies your ears is the deciding factor. I have tried JBL, Klipsch, Infinity and Bose. So far this is the most satisfying combination. When I change to music though, all the other potential issues disappear, I couldn't be more musically satisfied especially when considering the investment / bang for the buck. IMO

    Good luck
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  • bsoko2
    bsoko2 Posts: 1,449
    edited January 2009
    Face wrote: »
    I had odd phase issues when using SDA's for home theater.

    When running your setup from the reciever do you have the SDA's interconnect installed and working and run full phase control? Also, experiment with the different modes (Pro Logic Movies, THX, Neo 6 Cinema, etc) and choose the one that sounds the best for you. Is your reciever set for more than one listening position? This also has an effect on audio.

    Bill
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited January 2009
    Yes, I used the interconnect and the pre/pro was set up correctly. Instead of toying with every setting, I put my old speakers back a few days later.
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    bsoko2 Posts: 1,449
    edited January 2009
    Face wrote: »
    Yes, I used the interconnect and the pre/pro was set up correctly. Instead of toying with every setting, I put my old speakers back a few days later.

    I know that when playing DTS hd master it can be a bit harsh with volume at times. This is one reason that I will upgrade my SDA srs 2.3's so that they can handle the new codex.

    Bill
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 51,683
    edited January 2009
    bsoko2 wrote: »
    I know that when playing DTS hd master it can be a bit harsh with volume at times. This is one reason that I will upgrade my SDA srs 2.3's so that they can handle the new codex.

    Bill

    That makes absolutely no sense. If things get a bit harsh with one format, then it's the format or more likely, how it was mastered and not the speakers.
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