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apachef1
apachef1 Posts: 60
edited April 2008 in DIY, Mods & Tweaks
Recent mod to my SDA SRS speakers. The work was done by a very nice gentalman in CT, Carls custom speakershttp://www.classicloudspeakerservices.com/index.html
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited March 2008
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    Very nice!

    I'm sure that wasn't cheap.
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  • apachef1
    apachef1 Posts: 60
    edited March 2008
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    few more pics
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
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    Your other pics aren't showing.
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  • apachef1
    apachef1 Posts: 60
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    cant post more than five pics only had two more.:cool:
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  • apachef1
    apachef1 Posts: 60
    edited March 2008
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    Hi Face,

    How are the Goertz speaker cables? Look interesting and have good reviews. Hows the Mac equipment treating you?
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,832
    edited March 2008
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    Let's here some more about the crossover mod. What did he use and why, total cost and WTF are those resistors?

    How do they sound?
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  • joeparaski
    joeparaski Posts: 1,865
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    Well I'd sure like to know how it sounds, seeing that I too have SRS speakers. What was the cost????

    Joe
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
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    apachef1 wrote: »
    How are the Goertz speaker cables? Look interesting and have good reviews. Hows the Mac equipment treating you?
    I love Goertz's various speaker cables. I use their AG2's for my Tannoys(even internally) and Flatwire for my Polks. I tried cables costing 50% more and still prefer Goertz.
    The Mac gear is good, I may be looking to move up the chain again soon though.

    So tell us more about your upgrade.
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  • woofiepaws
    woofiepaws Posts: 214
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    More details please. Looks like an awesome upgrade.
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  • apachef1
    apachef1 Posts: 60
    edited March 2008
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    been away a few days, sorry bout that. I only have about 30 hours on the speakers. The mid bass was rough to start but after 20 hours it started to smooth out. I used the Duelunds in the tweeter section of the x-over and this was well worth the money. The resistors are Duelund throughout. There is one resistor on the underside of the circuit board because of space limitations. Carls loudspeakers did an excellent job on this upgrade. When I received the box of caps and resistors from parts conx, I wasnt sure if everything was gonna fit. Carl was creative and really thought this one out well.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,832
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    So, you picked the parts or did he instruct you what to order?
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  • apachef1
    apachef1 Posts: 60
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    I'm having issues with uploading to this site. Here is a link to view more pics. This is work in progress and I'll be adding more pictures.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigmacsystem/
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  • venomclan
    venomclan Posts: 2,467
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    Sweet
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
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    Nice amps! I've never seen a pair of 3500's in person.

    How do they compare to the 225's?
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  • apachef1
    apachef1 Posts: 60
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    The MC3500 has full extension with added slam, and very controlled bass the new crossover work reveled this quite a bit more. They don’t make amps like this anymore. A much different animal than any other amp I've ever listened to.
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  • avguytx
    avguytx Posts: 1,628
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    Host your pics on a site like www.photobucket.com and then you can just attached the image url here.
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  • apachef1
    apachef1 Posts: 60
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    I upgraded the internal hookup wire from the binding post to the crossover. This was a huge improvement. The crap that Polk used was 16 gauge and what looked like zip cord wire for one of those old lamps you see at grandma's house. I think Polk was in a rush to produce these speakers in the 80's and pushed them through the assembly line.
    I used 10 gauge copper hookup wire for the upgrade and replaced the binding posts with Cardas copper posts. The heaviness in the bass has disappeared and the speaker is more musical and not strained. There has been a hot debate about hookup wire and if there is any advantage to doing this upgrade. I can testify this one was a very noticeable upgrade besides the cap and resistors.
    Next is to upgrade the SDA cable and conections. More to follow
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
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    I had similar results upgrading the internal wiring in my Tannoy's. It definitely took things up a notch.
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  • apachef1
    apachef1 Posts: 60
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    I still need to upgrade the SDA hook up wires. I'm still getting everything together for that one. I was undecided on speaker cable. I think its gonna be coincidents trs extreme.
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,832
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    Don't forget to reseal the back of the binding post plate. Hot glue works well.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

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  • heiney9
    heiney9 Posts: 25,091
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    apachef1 wrote: »
    I upgraded the internal hookup wire from the binding post to the crossover. This was a huge improvement. The crap that Polk used was 16 gauge and what looked like zip cord wire for one of those old lamps you see at grandma's house. I think Polk was in a rush to produce these speakers in the 80's and pushed them through the assembly line.
    I used 10 gauge copper hookup wire for the upgrade and replaced the binding posts with Cardas copper posts. The heaviness in the bass has disappeared and the speaker is more musical and not strained. There has been a hot debate about hookup wire and if there is any advantage to doing this upgrade. I can testify this one was a very noticeable upgrade besides the cap and resistors.
    Next is to upgrade the SDA cable and conections. More to follow

    I do agree that it can't hurt to upgrade internal wiring (mostly for peace of mind). I'm curious how you determined the internal wiring had such a positive effect since you seemed to do the x-over and binding posts all at the same time? Correct me if I'm wrong and you did each stage individually and noted the changes over a reasonable amount of time.

    I'm sure the sum of all the parts is outstanding, but just curious why the upgraded internal wiring was so superb that you singled it out.

    H9
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  • apachef1
    apachef1 Posts: 60
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    Polk used 16 gauge hook-up wire through the entire food chain. It would seem some kinda signal drop from the original binding post through the crossover and then out to the drivers would happen. Although I've done no tests to confirm that. Going to 10 gauge to the crossover and then 16 gauge to the drivers would compensate for the resistance. I'm sure the whole upgrade has made a difference.
    Did you see the garbage Polk used?
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  • F1nut
    F1nut Posts: 49,832
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    Actually, it's not bad wire and much better than I've seen in a lot of speakers.
    Political Correctness'.........defined

    "A doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t-u-r-d by the clean end."

    President of Club Polk

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  • apachef1
    apachef1 Posts: 60
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    The tweeter wire from the crossover to the drivers was that zip cord crap that I also replaced. Not really sure if this made any difference since it was done the same time as the caps and resistors. It was a relatively inexpensive upgrade. The hookup wire to the all the mid-bass drivers was good quality 16 gauge and had tightly crimped connections. I didn’t feel this was gonna be worth the time and effort.
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  • Early B.
    Early B. Posts: 7,900
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    So approximately how much money did you spend?

    Also, can you elaborate on the sonic benefits of this mod?

    Thanks.
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
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    I used the same cable I use for speaker wire, but a thinner gage. I also bypassed all plugs and soldered directly to terminals. I'm surprised more people don't do the same.
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