FM antenna?

hydrostream
hydrostream Posts: 549
Can i hook to my digital cable and do i need to
use a certain kind of splitter?
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  • vonnie123
    vonnie123 Posts: 326
    edited February 2008
    I don't believe digital cable signal carries FM broadcasts. Does your digital cable box have an audio out? If so, you can hook that up to the HT and run the audio direct to one of the input sources, or you can run the TV back to the HT and run it as a input source. Most cable systems have some music stations on their cable broadcast. For straight FM, you will probably need an external antenna (e.g., Terk). Ever try Satellite Radio - it is fantastic.
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  • beardog03
    beardog03 Posts: 5,550
    edited February 2008
    get a Magnum Dynalab ST-2 antena....the best out there, and It`s relatively cheap ($100)
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  • wizzy
    wizzy Posts: 867
    edited February 2008
    Hey Hydro,

    What are you trying to achieve with the FM antenna reception? Depending on what you want, different products are better suited for apps. What you are looking for is commonly referred to as an FM splitter - search google for lots of info.

    If you have a good way to hide one, or looks aren't a big concern in the area where your receiver/tuner is, one of the best antennas per penny spent out there for just grabbing nearby stations is the simple dipole - you might even have one laying around. Chances are it will do everything one of those overpriced Terk antennas will do at 1/10th the cost. Keep in mind the dipole generally has 300ohm connectors, so you may need a balun if your tuner only has a 75ohm coax antenna connection.

    It's no Dynlalab ST-2, but then again a dipole is a great design that works with some directional characteristics. Winegard used to make good stuff, as did channel master. Here's a reasonable priced Winegard at ABT.

    If you're out on the fringe trying to pick up stations 150 miles away, or pick up 98.5 to the east and have a 98.7 out west ... you might need a directional. If you live somewhere where almost 100% of your transmission towers are 20+ miles in one directions, you may need a directional.

    http://www.winegard.com/offair/fm.htm

    Remember, height is your friend. Not always, but usually, the higher you can get an antenna the better off you are.
  • crd2002
    crd2002 Posts: 174
    edited February 2008
    I have a similiar problem I live 70 miles from the city and cant get any city stations bought a antenna once from radio shack and it didnt work so I gave up will this work for me?
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  • wizzy
    wizzy Posts: 867
    edited February 2008
    70 miles ... you probably need a semi-directional antenna. That's maybe a bit to ask from a simple dipole, an omnidirectional outdoor, or any internal antenna.

    A lot of times on the fringe it depends on which side of the city you are on. Sometimes the perfect broadcast location to a city is, for example, on a small hill to the east of the city. These stations may try to broadcast a majority of their power to the west - so someone living 70 miles west gets great reception, and someone 70 miles to the east, really bad reception.

    Once again, height is your friend. The higher the antenna, the better. Given your distance, I would guess a directional on the roof might help a lot. Disclaimer - I'm not an antenna or RF engineer.

    I think at 70 miles you need to be looking at a bigger yagi, and not a smaller one.

    Do you have line of sight? As in no mountains between you and the city?

    If you really want to get complicated, you could research where the FM broadcast towers are.
  • crd2002
    crd2002 Posts: 174
    edited February 2008
    its 70 miles south from me
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  • wizzy
    wizzy Posts: 867
    edited February 2008
    Try a big yagi pointing south like:

    https://www.tselectronic.com/winegard/hd6055.html

    No guarantees :)

    Any FM DX'ers on here who could chime in?
  • wizzy
    wizzy Posts: 867
    edited February 2008
    Oh here you go, I knew I saw a big yagi

    http://www.antennaperformance.com/

    Look for the APS-13 under FM antennas ... it's a 13 element antenna, nearly 17 feet long.

    Also, here: http://www.starkelectronic.com/aps13.htm

    On the lower side, the Antennacraft FM6 is about $25 ... smaller Yagi than the winegard or the APS
  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited February 2008
    I've been able to tune in stations 50+ miles away using a piece of thin speaker wire.
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  • crd2002
    crd2002 Posts: 174
    edited February 2008
    face I tried and even put up a antenna and get no stations from manhattan
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited February 2008
    CRD, I'm probably a little closer to MH than you, I'm about 50-60 miles out. I have no problems Manhattan and CT stations, but am using a vintage McIntosh tuner. You can try one of the aforementioned antennas or look into getting a different tuner.
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  • crd2002
    crd2002 Posts: 174
    edited February 2008
    even my car cant pick up the stations
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  • Face
    Face Posts: 14,340
    edited February 2008
    You'll probably need a roof mounted antenna with a good tuner. A friend of mine who lives few blocks away is running a roof mounted antenna. He is also using a vintage Mac tuner and picks up stations in Boston.
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  • beardog03
    beardog03 Posts: 5,550
    edited February 2008
    MAGNUM DYNALAB ST-2

    do a web search , or search FM web-boards / forums..

    It is made to do what you want....trust me


    or check Audiogon...the have an antena that they want $38 for that is supposed to be the one that beats them all....I`m getting one to do a comparison between the MD ST-2 and that one to see which works best for me...


    or listen to wizzy the commie....he may be right who knows...
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    Magnum Dynalab MD-102 Analog Tuna
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    AQ Bedrock Speaker Cables (Bi-Wired)
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  • bikezappa
    bikezappa Posts: 2,463
    edited February 2008
    wizzy wrote: »
    Hey Hydro,

    What are you trying to achieve with the FM antenna reception? Depending on what you want, different products are better suited for apps. What you are looking for is commonly referred to as an FM splitter - search google for lots of info.

    If you have a good way to hide one, or looks aren't a big concern in the area where your receiver/tuner is, one of the best antennas per penny spent out there for just grabbing nearby stations is the simple dipole - you might even have one laying around. Chances are it will do everything one of those overpriced Terk antennas will do at 1/10th the cost. Keep in mind the dipole generally has 300ohm connectors, so you may need a balun if your tuner only has a 75ohm coax antenna connection.

    It's no Dynlalab ST-2, but then again a dipole is a great design that works with some directional characteristics. Winegard used to make good stuff, as did channel master. Here's a reasonable priced Winegard at ABT.

    If you're out on the fringe trying to pick up stations 150 miles away, or pick up 98.5 to the east and have a 98.7 out west ... you might need a directional. If you live somewhere where almost 100% of your transmission towers are 20+ miles in one directions, you may need a directional.

    http://www.winegard.com/offair/fm.htm

    Remember, height is your friend. Not always, but usually, the higher you can get an antenna the better off you are.


    I agree with this advice 100%. Been playing with antennas for FM for 20 years.
  • crd2002
    crd2002 Posts: 174
    edited February 2008
    beardog I checked that magnum but says 35-50 miles reach I live 70 miles away from the city
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  • avguytx
    avguytx Posts: 1,628
    edited February 2008
    I'm using one of those powered $20/30 rabbit ear antennas (that I've had for 10+ years maybe) on my McIntosh 1900 receiver and it pulls ALL of the DFW stations in with no problem. I think I'm about 50 miles from the towers or so. I tried it on the Carver CT-17 pre/tuner and it did just about as well. For what little I listen to the radio, that works perfect for me.
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  • wizzy
    wizzy Posts: 867
    edited February 2008
    avguytx wrote: »
    I'm using one of those powered $20/30 rabbit ear antennas (that I've had for 10+ years maybe) on my McIntosh 1900 receiver and it pulls ALL of the DFW stations in with no problem. I think I'm about 50 miles from the towers or so. I tried it on the Carver CT-17 pre/tuner and it did just about as well. For what little I listen to the radio, that works perfect for me.

    A lot of this has to do with where you are in relation to the towers and how they are radiating signal.

    I pick up one station that is about 40 miles south of here with a dinky "wire antenna" hanging out the bottom of a bathroom radio - but their entire setup is also designed to fire the bulk of their signal to this area.

    Sometimes in a city, towers can be on the tallest building downtown and pretty much go out in all directions. Other times, they'll be five miles outside of town pushing signal out in a 25/45/90/180degree pattern. The person living 30 miles "downwind" of that pattern will be happy with a little dipole, and the person living 20 miles on the opposite side will be wondering why they need a frickin' rooftop.
  • crd2002
    crd2002 Posts: 174
    edited February 2008
    I know that the antenna for the station is on the empire state building
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  • crd2002
    crd2002 Posts: 174
    edited February 2008
    ok got the magnum st-2 and it picks up the signal from the city but nas as clear what do you guys think if I change the steam with a car antenna as they look like the same thing
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  • wizzy
    wizzy Posts: 867
    edited February 2008
    Read again what I said about being 70 miles away and needing to use a directional Yagi.

    It's just how antennas work man. The ST-2 can be as magical as you want to believe it is, but an omnidirectional whip isn't going to do what a Yagi can. A Yagi is designed to pull in signals coming from a specific direction, a whip is designed to pull in signals from a 360degree circle*. Whips are what you buy when the signal isn't too far away, and you want it to look unnoticeable. But at 70 miles ... don't think it's happening.

    About the only thing I could suggest with the ST-2 is ... can you get it any higher? Do you have it mounted up on your roof at the highest point possible? Might as well try, if you buy a yagi you'll need to do it anyway.

    That is unless your tuner just plain sucks, or you have some sort of local interference thing going on.

    I'd skip that small Yagi all together and maybe try the Winegard hd-6055 I linked to if you're not ready to go for the big mamby jamby APS-13.

    Stick it on a mast, just a regular one, so it's about 6' off the top of your roof. Use good cable for the downfeed. Point the yagi so it's pointed directly at the area you're trying to receive.

    Wiz

    * As opposed to a 350degree circle I suppose :)
  • crd2002
    crd2002 Posts: 174
    edited February 2008
    I'm using it as a directional as they said if you lay it on the side
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  • wizzy
    wizzy Posts: 867
    edited February 2008
    Ummm, not the same.

    Do you have it mounted outside? High up?
  • crd2002
    crd2002 Posts: 174
    edited February 2008
    sent you a pm
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  • ben62670
    ben62670 Posts: 15,969
    edited February 2008
    Wizzy, and face have it right. A roof mounted antenna is the best way to fly for clean FM.
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  • wizzy
    wizzy Posts: 867
    edited February 2008
    Plus, high quality RG-6 ... don't try RG-59 coming down from the roof. Best is also to place it so the minimum wire run is needed to the tuner. Longer cable = More signal loss